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Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit * 1
    #19024500 - 10/24/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

psychology has this ridiculous notion that any sort of altered state of consciousness is a "mental disease." this is proven by the fact that almost EVERY supposed "mental disorder" has an exact opposite to it. consider mania v. depression.

mania: a state where the individuals mood is considered abnormally elevated...ie, they are too happy, too full of energy, often mistaken for being on stimulants.

depression: a state where the individuals mood is considered abnormally depressed...too sad, too sullen.


so basically what it comes down to is they want people to be in some neutral ass, robotic state of consciousness there entire lives. any sort of extreme fluctuation is considered a "mental disorder" which needs diagnosis and pills. to me that is just ridiculous and almost a denial of one's humanity...we are HERE TO EXPERIENCE all the possibilities, not condemn them as "abnormal" states of consciousness.

anyone agree with me on this one?


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: resonant111]
    #19024546 - 10/24/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's more problematic that the number of 'disorders' is growing with each new DSM... 'Normal' gets ever more complicated, demanding and narrowly defined so that the number of deviations from it keeps increasing. We'll all be mad soon.


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: GoldenEye] * 2
    #19024560 - 10/24/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

mental disorder means that the brain is not working normally. Its a very broad term. Just because you have a mental disorder dosen't mean your ill, people get that confused all the time.

So by definition, you are experiencing a temporary mental disorder when you get high.


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: resonant111] * 2
    #19024591 - 10/24/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psychology has this ridiculous notion



Psychology is a field of study. It has no notions.

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so basically what it comes down to is they want people to be in some neutral ass, robotic state of consciousness there entire lives



'They' do? Any data to back this up?

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anyone agree with me on this one?



All you have presented is some sort of opinionated rant with no facts.


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: resonant111]
    #19024664 - 10/24/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just pulled out the dsm-iv the other day while talking to some friends. I was showing how easy it would be to fit into many of the different types of mentaldisease. The word normal means very little. I don't think anyone is normal. I think mental disease is only a disease when it hinders your goals, life, heart, your path.


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19024692 - 10/24/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think mental disease is only a disease when it hinders your goals, life, heart, your path.




The serial killer who holds a job and has a decent marriage and is good at his 'hobby' fits your definition of mentally healthy.


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19024745 - 10/24/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As long as its Dexter, he's alright in my book :thumbup:


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19024846 - 10/24/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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psychology has this ridiculous notion



Psychology is a field of study. It has no notions.

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so basically what it comes down to is they want people to be in some neutral ass, robotic state of consciousness there entire lives



'They' do? Any data to back this up?

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anyone agree with me on this one?



All you have presented is some sort of opinionated rant with no facts.




where are the facts with regards to the dsm-v manual? all of these diagnoses were created by psychologists and psychiatrists based on a subjective notion of what "normal" is. anything that fluctuates outside the grey area of "normal" is considered a mental disorder.

if you look at any mental disorder EVERY one has an extreme opposite. as such, it's obvious that a psychiatrists idea of "normal" is some kind of murky, neutral middle-ground. we need to stop putting "mentally ill" labels on people who are different and let them be. usually those types of people are very creative and have abilities that so-called "normal" people do not.

i'm just very opinionated on this matter because i have a personality that probably covers all kinds of dsm-v spectrums...i find alot of times i can't really be ME because i'm trying to be "normal" and fit in instead of just being what i really am.


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: resonant111]
    #19024996 - 10/24/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hear you.  Its such a task to try to live up to other's expectation of what people should be like.  I think I do a good job at balancing a Bipolar/schizoid world with that of this 'normal.'  Of course, I feel that I have been repeatedly misdiagnosed because the psychiatric community denies the reality of disembodied entities that interact with Me and others.  I just happen to report certain symptoms that correspond to a criteria used to determine (very ignorantly) my sanity or label or course of medication.:thumbdown:


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: resonant111]
    #19025143 - 10/24/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. :thumbup:


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: Rahz]
    #19025256 - 10/24/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Damn right fishoil


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Re: Why broad psychological categorizations are bullshit [Re: resonant111]
    #19027045 - 10/24/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, I do not agree with you. There is no "they" somewhere, defining what normalcy is. Pathology is another thing, and the combined efforts of the AMA, The American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, and the Academy of Certified Social Workers, as well as independents (I applied to submit data,but was not selected), have now come up with a very unpopular Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders or DSM-5. It differs in significant ways from the DSM III, DSM III-R, DSM IV, DSM-TR that have come before. I began my schooling with the 3rd version.

People who are conformists are usually pretty boring as people go, I quite agree with you. They are not necessarily what I call normal either. After 20 years of getting together on weekends with a married couple who are typically preppy, boring, family people. I called it quits. The guy was kind to me when I met him 20 years ago, when I was going through divorce. He was an art teacher for a couple of years in the middle school we worked in, and invited me home for dinner on Friday nights. His wife was pregnant when we met. Then I got a girlfriend and we'd all go out, but we had Nothing in common. After their second child, as they became more engrossed in parenting, they became hovering, overly-enmeshed emotionally in their children's lives because they had no interests of their own. The guy always lauded me for my work ethics and dedication, which was a very weak reason to think we had true friendship. When I lost my position of 27 years, and I refused to become a classroom teacher, which would have been a horrible come-down for me, shit-loads more work, no freedom to come and go, utter despair and frustration, and never something I EVER wanted to do, this acquaintance who always recognized my ethics as a reason for him to be friends with me, began to urge me to "just do a shitty job, just show up for the paycheck for a couple of more years," instead of being sympathetic and supportive of my difficult decision to resign/retire early.

This behavior does not qualify by itself as mental illness, but it is not what I want to be around. It is hypocritical and obnoxious. Over the past year, I assiduously avoided going out with this couple or to a party they threw. I had to ask myself how normal it was for us to visit with their friends at a party when it included a judge, a couple of rich arrogant lawyers, and a police captain! I had to keep my long-haired, Shroomery shirt-wearing mouth shut. I am not preppy, but I am probably Bohemian, weird, or 'questionable' to his crowd. They might even find me marginally criminal, and definitely suspect for not being a family guy. My writing here might be controversial, but I cannot say that I am considered to be boring at these forums, or with my selected FB 'friends,' but among these people, I am the abnormal one. I am not robotic, cookie-cutter, conformist, or criminal in any real sense of the word - certainly not to people at The Shroomery.

This couple has been seeing us for 20 years, but apparently only out of severe boredom. They have NEVER drawn any conversation out of us of the sort I engage in here. They have NEVER wanted to look at our library or discuss a book about something because he, at least, NEVER reads according to his wife. We became just another house they could eat their junk food in on a Saturday night, and chit-chat until, like clockwork, the woman fell asleep at about 10:00 PM, almost every time she came over. She must have been bored to sleep every time! Again, I don't think my wife or I am boring people. We'll offer wine, food, music, conversation, other people, but it is US who are obviously so boring to these people that he has nothing to say, and she shoots her load (mostly trivia about their kids), and falls asleep. He wants to lie on the floor and turn on our TV like he's 6 years old!

Do you grok the relativity of normalcy here? None of us is mentally ill, but what appears to be normal to the preppies is totally freaky for me. Dockers and khakis, Izod-Lacoste as an Astro-Van, 11:00 PM bedtime and parents who are unnaturally enmeshed in their high school and college aged children, freak me out negatively. Reading or discussing philosophy, transpersonal psychology, Hell, reading anything at all, tripping, catching a buzz (wine, beer, pot [even if I don't use pot]), conversation, listening to music, meditating (or talking about meditation, which they also have Never done) -  these things make us look eccentric at the very least, if not somewhat odd or crazy to them.


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