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Re: is it a butter cap or psilocybe cyanescense? [Re: JingleJoe]
#19030858 - 10/25/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: is it a butter cap or psilocybe cyanescense? [Re: JingleJoe]
#19030864 - 10/25/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Koods said:
Farinaceous - that is the most useless word. Nobody knows what it is, and if you actually look at the definition, it doesn't describe the smell of psilocybes — my ovoids smell nothing like flour.
I thought farinaceous was a texture, not a smell.
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JingleJoe said: Here is the spore print after more than 12 hours:

I changed the white balance of my camera after the first photo and between one or two others, you can see the difference but I still don't think any of them got the colour totally realistic however you can get a better idea, it was between all the slight variations.
Looks purplish blackish brown to me, like a deep redish purple mixed with black. The spore print was pretty damn black even after an hour last night.
You can also see some blue-ish bruising and the four marks i made in the cap with my nail, it was pretty dry so they didn't bruise much.
What do you think it is chaps? 
Psilocybe cyanesens is what you have here.
Deadly look alike include; Hypholoma fasciculare, several species in the Galerina genus, and various other small brown mushrooms.
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Re: is it a butter cap or psilocybe cyanescense? [Re: JingleJoe]
#19030881 - 10/25/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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those other ones seem to be a little off though.. i have seen dryer cyans look that color in the cap.. but the gills and stem just seem slightly off.... definitely spore print those ones... the first set of pics are definitely 100% cyans~
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Re: is it a butter cap or psilocybe cyanescense? [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19030885 - 10/25/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, wow.. okay, saw the prints.. discount my last statement, those be them!
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Hi all,
I find the farinaceous description difficult too. To me at least Cyans and Semis (the species I have had experience with) smell pretty similar, to me it's a very "wet earthy" smell, definitely more intense than the soil they both grow on. I can also detect a hint of yeast, and maybe a little bit of bitter. It's not unpleasant, but neither is is anything you'd ever describe as "tempting"!
The taste on the other hand is easier to describe - just like stagnant water - if you've ever swum in a small pond you'll know the taste of the water when it gets in your mouth. The only thing different from that is you get a pretty strong bitter/alkaline aftertaste, much like chewing tobacco.
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: ACorvus]
#19041022 - 10/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks everyone! I can confirm, they were wavey caps! P. cyanescense mushrooms. Most definately. thanks again   
Some additional details and questions:
They tasted like moldy old walnuts or hazel nuts, only one was barely bitter at all.
They have dried well; my technique is 3 to 5 hours in a fan oven on the lowest temperature setting, gets them dry as a cracker or a dry dead leaf, liberty caps dried in this method maintained most of thier potentcy.
The spore print of one which I left for more than 24 hours ended up dark brown, aren't they supposed to be purplish black? do the additional spores really alter the colour that much?
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: JingleJoe]
#19041081 - 10/27/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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As far as drying, it seems like you did it right. Maybe they naturally taste unpleasant Dark brown could mean a couple things in my opinion (I am not an expert by any means)
1) Galerina 
2) Maybe the print was wet still? If you let it sit and dry for 5 minutes or so the color may change.
3) What a T.I will tell you it actually is from
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: lsms]
#19041470 - 10/27/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lsms said: As far as drying, it seems like you did it right. Maybe they naturally taste unpleasant Dark brown could mean a couple things in my opinion (I am not an expert by any means)
1) Galerina 
99% certain it was not; found a galerina near by and could really tell the difference. Although this means they are in the area, I checked them so thoroughly I don't think I mistook one for a wavy cap.
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2) Maybe the print was wet still? If you let it sit and dry for 5 minutes or so the color may change.
I dried it over a toaster and observed very little change.
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: JingleJoe]
#19041490 - 10/27/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have pretty thumbs.
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: jet li]
#19041522 - 10/27/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did the one that printed dark brown exhibit bluing like the rest? Pictures? Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata can often have a chocolate brown with a hint of purple print that is lighter than the characteristic purple-black you generally see in the rest of the genus.
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sorry, no pictures, I got rid of it as it had gone a bit iffy having been left slightly moist for >24 hours and been picked for >48 hours. Maybe that had something to do with it? Having just looked up Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata I can definately say no, it was not that genus, as it looks too similar to the poison look alikes, I would have thrown it away or not picked it at all.
sorry if I'm kinda harshy rejecting everyone's suggestions but we are getting closer to the truth!
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: JingleJoe]
#19041579 - 10/27/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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JingleJoe said: sorry, no pictures, I got rid of it as it had gone a bit iffy having been left slightly moist for >24 hours and been picked for >48 hours. Maybe that had something to do with it? Having just looked up Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata I can definately say no, it was not that genus, as it looks too similar to the poison look alikes, I would have thrown it away or not picked it at all.
sorry if I'm kinda harshy rejecting everyone's suggestions but we are getting closer to the truth! 
Nothing wrong in throwing out a couple of funny looking ones, just suggesting that psilocybe prints can sometimes looks more chocolate brown when wet, in general though, even those more brownish prints look the classic dark purple-brown once they dry.
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Re: Psilocybe smell [Re: JingleJoe]
#19041589 - 10/27/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you leave a shot glass or something over it? If so maybe that caused it to start decomposing?
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lsms said: Did you leave a shot glass or something over it? If so maybe that caused it to start decomposing?
Yeah I put a bowl over it but it was pretty big and there was a little gap around the base for ventilation but not enough for a breeze to ruin the print. But even mushrooms I've left for one day have decomposed to black gunk- who knows how long they've been acquiring maggots and bacteria outside?
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JingleJoe said: sorry, no pictures, I got rid of it as it had gone a bit iffy having been left slightly moist for >24 hours and been picked for >48 hours. Maybe that had something to do with it? Having just looked up Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata I can definately say no, it was not that genus, as it looks too similar to the poison look alikes, I would have thrown it away or not picked it at all.
sorry if I'm kinda harshy rejecting everyone's suggestions but we are getting closer to the truth! 
Nothing wrong in throwing out a couple of funny looking ones, just suggesting that psilocybe prints can sometimes looks more chocolate brown when wet, in general though, even those more brownish prints look the classic dark purple-brown once they dry. 
That's probably it I thought most of them looked black-purplish-brown, which we will now refer to as blapurprown, and they were almost certainly stil a little moist.
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