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Almighty God My Ass!
    #19024168 - 10/24/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19024184 - 10/24/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no god.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #19024221 - 10/24/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
    #19024223 - 10/24/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is that the best discussion yall can come up with. You better have something better whenI wake  upor iI'll be really disappointed


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19024282 - 10/24/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ascribing personality to a being outside of time and space is human fallacy. Then further arguing based upon such fallacy never gets more true or rational. It's all fallacy. I prefer masturbation because I do have some experience with the real act.  I can at least jerk off to something with some reality.  When you consider the millions of people who are basically fallacious jerk-offs (priests, etc...) then that's pretty fucking hilarious. (Or immensely sad or just plain stupid).


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19024731 - 10/24/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The bible is just one of the many story books written by men seeking to explain god thru images and parables.
God isn't a guy spirit. God is the universe. Everything that is and isnt, infinitely. Our human brains might judge and ascribe personality traits to this, but that's only natural we would try to ...its the silly way we percieve and try to explain things. Keep it simple.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19024965 - 10/24/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The Bible is so much more than just parables and shit about God. The Bible is a legal guide, a record of the tribes of the bumfuck Middle East during a time when people didn't read or write.  And a source of pride (I have a copy of the Bible - my household is genteel). It was also a way to guive others a short fuck off when they started preaching about Vespa and Ares and the other gods of the day.  To wit - piss off you door to door Venus Witness I am a Christian, see I have a bible.

The part about God is glossed over in Genesis and then doesn't come back in until those stupid books in the New Testament. The Bible shouldn't have been so acclaimed except nobody could read for 1500 years so people took someone else's word for it.  Have you had the Word?  What word? It says right here in big letters "The Word is the Bird."


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19025283 - 10/24/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Everybody knows the bird is the word :cool:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19025423 - 10/24/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

or get yo rap on
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19025515 - 10/24/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A thinking cap preferably


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19025721 - 10/24/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




Well the writers of the Bible could have written a fairy tale about there being no suffering, no destruction, no chaos, no loneliness, no wrath, anger or vengence. But they were smarter than that. They didn't deny what was happening and continues to happen. They utilized it for teaching. You may not agree with what is taught or how it is conveyed but IMO in the end you're fighting with the world we find ourselves in.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19026043 - 10/24/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Universaleyeni said:
The bible is just one of the many story books written by men seeking to explain god thru images and parables.
God isn't a guy spirit. God is the universe. Everything that is and isnt, infinitely. Our human brains might judge and ascribe personality traits to this, but that's only natural we would try to ...its the silly way we percieve and try to explain things. Keep it simple.





Nice! Very well said. I like it :thumbup:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19026100 - 10/24/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19026126 - 10/24/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.





I really hope the cockstrong jealous asshole God of the Bible is just a fairy tale. What if it were all true?  All the story's of the Bible. Could you love and worship that God? I couldn't


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19026149 - 10/24/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.





I really hope the cockstrong jealous asshole God of the Bible is just a fairy tale. What if it were all true?  All the story's of the Bible. Could you love and worship that God? I couldn't




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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19026188 - 10/24/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:werd:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19026539 - 10/24/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think language limits us because when I hear some one say the word god...to me it means the universe. Everything. To that person it may be the visualization they have of god (the beard guy in the clouds, etc). To me god also means the energy. The.energy. all of it. Positive negative and all colors.

I also agree with another poster...even though I do not believe certain bible stories to be factual, their importance is not that. It is the lesson taught through the story that is important. It is generally one of love, compassion, sacrifice, faith, etc...so a big thumbs up to the bible and other holy books for that.

Religion provides the visual cues and storylines that can be interpreted easily with symbols and persons with characteristics, by human like us. So, the masses...easily associate with the stories and have faith in their relevance to real life.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19026945 - 10/24/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A question that Plato brought up in the Euthyphro was, "Did God create the good? Or is the good something that God acknowledged?"

If it's something he created, why is it so broad? And if he acknowledged the good, then he isn't omnipotent.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #19030734 - 10/25/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You haven't spent nearly enough time evaluating the value of biblical writ. You might first read Jung's Answer to Job, for example. We all need help understanding and interpreting writings that originated from pre-modern mentalities. It is mostly the author called Matthew that speaks of Hell, and that is just one of the four gospels that the creators of the canonical Bible saw as useful to their agenda. There are literally dozens of gospels, with many different theologies. The four that were selected were chosen because they could be used to control the population. These gospels do not contain theologies that acknowledge any theology that lauds any form of self-realization, as the Gospel of Thomas does. Thomas and other Gnostic and pseudo-Gnostic gospels were not only rejected from the canon, they were burned! The church authority needed gospels they could use to make their approval absolutely indispensable to the multitudes, for fear of eternal Hell. Control and tithing to enhance the absolute power of The Church. So your opinion is based on the canon alone, which means you've already bought into whatever Sunday schooling you've had, and are still stuck firmly in that little box. In 1947 the Nag Hammadi library was discovered. Many other versions of Christianity have come to light, but I'm afraid that if you want to understand, you'll have to make an effort to do so. www.gnosis.org

The Tenach (OT) was compiled over hundreds of years, and it illustrates, among other things, the mentality of humankind at various stages of development. The God of the Tenach changed in character as the mentality of the Hebrew people developed across time. The attributes of YHVH are clearly projections of a people who still organized their culture under war-lords. YHWH was originally a Semitic mountain deity that only gradually became expanded to be the Creator of Heaven and Earth - the One God. Look what happened to Pharaoh Akhenaten when he attempted to abolish the Egyptian pantheon of gods to honor the One Solar Disk, the Aten (hence his name Akhenaten). He was ousted from the throne, and possibly from Egypt. Some scholars believe that he was actually Moses, and that's what the Exodus was about. When he left Egypt, his son Tutankaten changed his name to reflect the old creator god, Amen, and called himself Tutankamen - King Tut, highly honored even in death. But I digress. You DO have to have faith, but it has to be what the Buddhists call "Right Faith." A history lesson is necessary for one to place their faith on the right aspect of what is helpful for human development. Clearly, you have not done the research yourself, but are reacting to the paltry material that has been served to you from childhood.

Early codifications of law were important stages of human development even though the penalties for breaking them were often horrific. Only fundamentalist Muslims who want to live under Shariah law want to practice these atrocities today. Orthodox Jews do not stone their unfaithful wives or gay sons and daughters to death any more. You learn to raise your children with the value of truth and compassion, not because it was used two millennia ago to mollify a people who wanted a warrior-king for a savior instead of Jesus, but because these qualities will open the possibility of your offspring to transcend their socio-biological and cultural programming, not to mention the psychodynamic baggage they're going to inherit from you and their mother. Rejecting the Bible is as shortsighted as getting rid of a car because it needs a set of new spark plugs, and maybe some engine rebuilding that is worth the effort. Too many people throw out the Bible and shop for a new religion. I did this and came back to my roots decades later with fresh insights, including the insight that I was looking at it all from an ignorant interpretation, and one that did nothing to transform me.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19030760 - 10/25/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for that insight Markos


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19030835 - 10/25/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

MarkostheGnostic - you're in the tiniest hairsbreadth tip of the pinky of reasonable people. Most people are as dumb as dirt, and as full of shit as homosexual bulls. One person in a thousand care whether they are even correct, in between the lying sneakiness they live and breathe. 

Of course people don't know just about anything.  Especially about Jehovah about the tetragrammaton, or even about what their spouses are thinking about during sex (not them).  The fact of the matter is more people are being born to more stupid people and the world is already drowning because of it. 

Proving The Almighty God is really a sack of fleas and has little to do with any sort of reality.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69] * 1
    #19031240 - 10/25/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

BTW  almighty god this ass


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19031267 - 10/25/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19031269 - 10/25/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Thank you for that insight Markos




Glad it was well-received. Let's not throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, he's full of potential, like the tiny seed of a mighty mustard tree. You'll want to plant the seeds of truth-telling and compassion as soon as they're able to be understood even a little. The normal trend in moral development requires a lot of help from truly moral people, or else it attains only to a conventional level, or remains at the pre-conventional level of a pre-moral child (God forbid).


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19031290 - 10/25/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic - you're in the tiniest hairsbreadth tip of the pinky of reasonable people. Most people are as dumb as dirt, and as full of shit as homosexual bulls. One person in a thousand care whether they are even correct, in between the lying sneakiness they live and breathe. 

Of course people don't know just about anything.  Especially about Jehovah about the tetragrammaton, or even about what their spouses are thinking about during sex (not them).  The fact of the matter is more people are being born to more stupid people and the world is already drowning because of it. 

Proving The Almighty God is really a sack of fleas and has little to do with any sort of reality.




I'll take that as a complement eve69.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19031421 - 10/25/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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eve69 said:
MarkostheGnostic - you're in the tiniest hairsbreadth tip of the pinky of reasonable people. Most people are as dumb as dirt, and as full of shit as homosexual bulls. One person in a thousand care whether they are even correct, in between the lying sneakiness they live and breathe. 

Of course people don't know just about anything.  Especially about Jehovah about the tetragrammaton, or even about what their spouses are thinking about during sex (not them).  The fact of the matter is more people are being born to more stupid people and the world is already drowning because of it. 

Proving The Almighty God is really a sack of fleas and has little to do with any sort of reality.




I'll take that as a complement eve69.  :strokebeard:




I'm not sure how to take it :confused:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19031583 - 10/25/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Thank you for that insight Markos




Glad it was well-received. Let's not throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, he's full of potential, like the tiny seed of a mighty mustard tree. You'll want to plant the seeds of truth-telling and compassion as soon as they're able to be understood even a little. The normal trend in moral development requires a lot of help from truly moral people, or else it attains only to a conventional level, or remains at the pre-conventional level of a pre-moral child (God forbid).





I was raised in a Lutheran Church right here in the heart of the Bible belt. I am 30 years old and honestly never questioned my faith until a couple years ago. Now I struggle with it immensely. I guess you could say I'm pretty lost.

I just really have a problem with the organized religion of our society. It's so corrupt on so many levels. I also have a problem with preachers of organized not being completely honest with their congregatio. They tell them what  they want to hear. Most of them has studied theology in depth yet still hold up the Bible and call it gods word when I know that they know better. There is so much more to the story than what they tell.

I wish I was better at conveying my thoughts and feeling into words so that you all could better understand how I feel but unfortunately that is not one of my God given talents :lol:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19033524 - 10/25/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Listening to Slayer seems to help with my problems with God. Yep sure does.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19033533 - 10/25/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
Thank you for that insight Markos




Glad it was well-received. Let's not throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, he's full of potential, like the tiny seed of a mighty mustard tree. You'll want to plant the seeds of truth-telling and compassion as soon as they're able to be understood even a little. The normal trend in moral development requires a lot of help from truly moral people, or else it attains only to a conventional level, or remains at the pre-conventional level of a pre-moral child (God forbid).





I was raised in a Lutheran Church right here in the heart of the Bible belt. I am 30 years old and honestly never questioned my faith until a couple years ago. Now I struggle with it immensely. I guess you could say I'm pretty lost.

I just really have a problem with the organized religion of our society. It's so corrupt on so many levels. I also have a problem with preachers of organized not being completely honest with their congregatio. They tell them what  they want to hear. Most of them has studied theology in depth yet still hold up the Bible and call it gods word when I know that they know better. There is so much more to the story than what they tell.

I wish I was better at conveying my thoughts and feeling into words so that you all could better understand how I feel but unfortunately that is not one of my God given talents :lol:




Its more than likely the fact that you surround yourself with non-believers that you are questioning your faith so deeply. I agree with you on that, it is hard to keep sincere faith living in such an ungodly society which is full of unbelievers. Being on this site probably does't help too much either because its full of people who reject religion; this is the problem as well, being around atheists you will start to be influenced by them.

You have been given a choice; you can choose to not believe God, Jesus, or you can believe yourself. I think that also its our approach to religion that causes us to see it in such a twisted way and to reject it, its not just the people in the Christianity that cause us to see it as wrong. Being overly judgmental and focusing on the negative causes us to see it that way. I agree that there are a lot of false Christians out there who merely "peddle" the Bible and treat it as a man-made religion.

Not like we have to take everything so seriously tho, God is not that way. The problem is we leave the mystery out of our Christianity and this is a bad thing. Whenever we overly rationalize anything we tend to miss the mark.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #19034174 - 10/26/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And yet surrounding yourself with believers is the way to the truth, right?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: SpiritualWarrior]
    #19035149 - 10/26/13 11:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Even if i don't over-rationalise, i still don't want to be christian. I'm not saying there arent great pieces of myth and moral lessons in the bible, but i see no reason to folllow the religion or actually believe in it.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19036158 - 10/26/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's not about picking and choosing from the Bible, as people are so often accused of. It is about distilling it, in an alchemical metaphor, and allowing the volatile, rarified essence to 'Fly Over' into the receiving vessel of the Heart, while leaving behind the 'Phlegm,' the unwanted, toxic, coarse 'First Matter' which needs to be dried and burned in a crucible. Not until all the heinous atrocities of the Bible are understood to need incineration, mixture with pure water, filtration and evaporation, does one have a Salt ("of the Earth") that can be recombined with the distilled essence, the Sulphur and Mercury to create a medicine for the Spirit. In other words, If one does not know that the Bible taken literally, without proper distillation, crystallization, purification, it remains a crude, poison for man and beast. Spagyric means 'taking apart and recombining.' It is a form of alchemy. The Bible must be taken apart, demythologized, de-literalized, and subjected to mental processes that parallel alchemical processes of purification. Alchemy not performed properly does not transmute its raw ingredients from a poison to a medicine. The same with the Bible. Look at the example of a particularly toxic reader of the Bible, that White Fraternal 'Christian' Brotherhood known as the KKK. So unrefined and poisonous is the Bible's effect on them, that the essence, Love, fails to end up in the final result. The poison of hate is what is imbibed. The same kind of failed process happens in varying degrees with biblical literalists. They also retain prejudices and hatreds because they have not distilled off the essence, but take the crudest material understanding of the sayings.

Did you ever read this? Dr. Laura herself might be a fraud, according to Snopes, but this is humorous anyway.  :lol:

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19038711 - 10/26/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!




God is Entheogens.

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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous] * 1
    #19038769 - 10/26/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Afraid not. God is a shorthand word for volumes of concepts on Ultimate Reality, not a substance, howsoever sacramental, that may trigger an awareness of that Reality.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19038814 - 10/26/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Afraid not. God is a shorthand word for volumes of concepts on Ultimate Reality, not a substance, howsoever sacramental, that may trigger an awareness of that Reality.




Qur'an, Surah III, 55: (and remember) when Allah said: 'O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection.  Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.'


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19038844 - 10/27/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not about picking and choosing from the Bible, as people are so often accused of. It is about distilling it, in an alchemical metaphor, and allowing the volatile, rarified essence to 'Fly Over' into the receiving vessel of the Heart, while leaving behind the 'Phlegm,' the unwanted, toxic, coarse 'First Matter' which needs to be dried and burned in a crucible. Not until all the heinous atrocities of the Bible are understood to need incineration, mixture with pure water, filtration and evaporation, does one have a Salt ("of the Earth") that can be recombined with the distilled essence, the Sulphur and Mercury to create a medicine for the Spirit. In other words, If one does not know that the Bible taken literally, without proper distillation, crystallization, purification, it remains a crude, poison for man and beast. Spagyric means 'taking apart and recombining.' It is a form of alchemy. The Bible must be taken apart, demythologized, de-literalized, and subjected to mental processes that parallel alchemical processes of purification. Alchemy not performed properly does not transmute its raw ingredients from a poison to a medicine. The same with the Bible. Look at the example of a particularly toxic reader of the Bible, that White Fraternal 'Christian' Brotherhood known as the KKK. So unrefined and poisonous is the Bible's effect on them, that the essence, Love, fails to end up in the final result. The poison of hate is what is imbibed. The same kind of failed process happens in varying degrees with biblical literalists. They also retain prejudices and hatreds because they have not distilled off the essence, but take the crudest material understanding of the sayings.





This calls to mind another quote of Crowley's from the Equinox: " . . . one must know Truth before one can rely on the Qabalah to show Truth." And "How wonderful is the Qabalah! How great its
security[, though disclosed,] from the profane; how splendid its secrets to the initiate", referring essentially to the same thing.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Mahananda]
    #19039086 - 10/27/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The god of the bible is a god with the little G, the being is indeed our creator god, but is not by any measure the one and almighty GOD. If that God were the almighty god there would be no point in deliberately setting us up for failure. Technically speaking even Jesus failed the test of this so-called god by asking "Why have you fortsaken me?"

The answer is that "For your pride and desire to be a savior, you have put your own will before my will. You will be the messiah in the eyes of men who will idolize you as their God, yet your teachings will save the rest of mankind. For this, you shall descend to hell for a time until I need you to judge the human race on the basis of their idolatry, you shall claim those who worship you, and remove them from the earth."

The test is a clever one, to idolize Jesus will lead to ignoring the teachings in favor of turn-key salvation and being damned, to accept the truth of the teachings of Jesus and acknowledge what really happened to him for his pride is to be saved.

The kicker is we judge ourselves while God watches. Fear each other and die, Love one another and live.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19039110 - 10/27/13 01:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The worst deception in the bible is the book of Revelations

The sad part is that Lucifer even outs himself... "I am the Alpha and the Omega, I am the MORNING STAR." The Morning Star is the planet Venus. Venus is also known as Lusis, the patron star of LUCIFER!

I guess that's what happens when John decides out of desperation to eat a few bitter mushrooms growing out of the Sh%^ in his prison cell. Yup Revelations is a 2000 year old trip report. Feels bad man... LOL!


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19039432 - 10/27/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You haven't spent nearly enough time evaluating the value of biblical writ. You might first read Jung's Answer to Job, for example. We all need help understanding and interpreting writings that originated from pre-modern mentalities. It is mostly the author called Matthew that speaks of Hell, and that is just one of the four gospels that the creators of the canonical Bible saw as useful to their agenda. There are literally dozens of gospels, with many different theologies. The four that were selected were chosen because they could be used to control the population. These gospels do not contain theologies that acknowledge any theology that lauds any form of self-realization, as the Gospel of Thomas does. Thomas and other Gnostic and pseudo-Gnostic gospels were not only rejected from the canon, they were burned! The church authority needed gospels they could use to make their approval absolutely indispensable to the multitudes, for fear of eternal Hell. Control and tithing to enhance the absolute power of The Church. So your opinion is based on the canon alone, which means you've already bought into whatever Sunday schooling you've had, and are still stuck firmly in that little box. In 1947 the Nag Hammadi library was discovered. Many other versions of Christianity have come to light, but I'm afraid that if you want to understand, you'll have to make an effort to do so. www.gnosis.org

The Tenach (OT) was compiled over hundreds of years, and it illustrates, among other things, the mentality of humankind at various stages of development. The God of the Tenach changed in character as the mentality of the Hebrew people developed across time. The attributes of YHVH are clearly projections of a people who still organized their culture under war-lords. YHWH was originally a Semitic mountain deity that only gradually became expanded to be the Creator of Heaven and Earth - the One God. Look what happened to Pharaoh Akhenaten when he attempted to abolish the Egyptian pantheon of gods to honor the One Solar Disk, the Aten (hence his name Akhenaten). He was ousted from the throne, and possibly from Egypt. Some scholars believe that he was actually Moses, and that's what the Exodus was about. When he left Egypt, his son Tutankaten changed his name to reflect the old creator god, Amen, and called himself Tutankamen - King Tut, highly honored even in death. But I digress. You DO have to have faith, but it has to be what the Buddhists call "Right Faith." A history lesson is necessary for one to place their faith on the right aspect of what is helpful for human development. Clearly, you have not done the research yourself, but are reacting to the paltry material that has been served to you from childhood.

Early codifications of law were important stages of human development even though the penalties for breaking them were often horrific. Only fundamentalist Muslims who want to live under Shariah law want to practice these atrocities today. Orthodox Jews do not stone their unfaithful wives or gay sons and daughters to death any more. You learn to raise your children with the value of truth and compassion, not because it was used two millennia ago to mollify a people who wanted a warrior-king for a savior instead of Jesus, but because these qualities will open the possibility of your offspring to transcend their socio-biological and cultural programming, not to mention the psychodynamic baggage they're going to inherit from you and their mother. Rejecting the Bible is as shortsighted as getting rid of a car because it needs a set of new spark plugs, and maybe some engine rebuilding that is worth the effort. Too many people throw out the Bible and shop for a new religion. I did this and came back to my roots decades later with fresh insights, including the insight that I was looking at it all from an ignorant interpretation, and one that did nothing to transform me.




Many people would need to allow similar words to the OP to affect them before they could open themselves to seriously contemplate anything that you write here. I still have to run these basic deconstructions far too regularly. I still associate with my family and keep hearing their fundamentalist rantings.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19039461 - 10/27/13 06:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

One of the things that really really  bothers me about "christians"  is how judgmental they are. I live in the heart of the Bible belt and all my family and friends are modern day christians and if they found out how I really feel,  as stated in the op,  they would probably all dissociate themselves from me. They all fuss at me about not going to church and I just always come up with some lame excuse of why I don't go. I don't really know what the best way to handle it is. They are all so brainwashed by organized religion that trying to reason with them would be a waste of time and only make my life miserable. So I put on a smile and fake it


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19039754 - 10/27/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I did the same for awhile as I grew up there too. But after I started taking LSD seriously I had a harder and harder time with that. Finally I told them what I thought and moved away.  Best move I ever made.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19039782 - 10/27/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The god of the bible is a god with the little G, the being is indeed our creator god, but is not by any measure the one and almighty GOD. If that God were the almighty god there would be no point in deliberately setting us up for failure. Technically speaking even Jesus failed the test of this so-called god by asking "Why have you fortsaken me?"

The answer is that "For your pride and desire to be a savior, you have put your own will before my will. You will be the messiah in the eyes of men who will idolize you as their God, yet your teachings will save the rest of mankind. For this, you shall descend to hell for a time until I need you to judge the human race on the basis of their idolatry, you shall claim those who worship you, and remove them from the earth."

The test is a clever one, to idolize Jesus will lead to ignoring the teachings in favor of turn-key salvation and being damned, to accept the truth of the teachings of Jesus and acknowledge what really happened to him for his pride is to be saved.

The kicker is we judge ourselves while God watches. Fear each other and die, Love one another and live.





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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
    #19039792 - 10/27/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I did the same for awhile as I grew up there too. But after I started taking LSD seriously I had a harder and harder time with that. Finally I told them what I thought and moved away.  Best move I ever made.




Now you're the one who tripped in and flunked out or whatever and went to hell. Best move you ever made :wink: There's lots of Catholic chicks there.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19039970 - 10/27/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood. My next door neighbors had 12 kids and half were girls and they without exception were good looking.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19041062 - 10/27/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Afraid not. God is a shorthand word for volumes of concepts on Ultimate Reality, not a substance, howsoever sacramental, that may trigger an awareness of that Reality.




What is God if not the essence of Consciousness -- i.e., Entheogens.

The Gnostics reverenced the Serpent. The Serpent (Christ) opened the (spiritual) eyes of the (spiritually) blind with the Tree of Knowledge. The Tree of Knowledge is the essence of Consciousness (God).



This is a fresco from a 13th century french abbey showing Eve, Adam, the Serpent and the Tree of Knowledge -- an Amanita Muscaria mushroom tree. The Serpent is offering one of the Mushrooms to Eve.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19042076 - 10/27/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't really get what you're trying to say.  Do you think mushrooms created the universe?  Because that's what people usually mean when they refer to "God".


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    #19042981 - 10/27/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't really get what you're trying to say.  Do you think mushrooms created the universe?  Because that's what people usually mean when they refer to "God".




"If a tree fell in the forest but no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?"

God, Entheogens, are the Essence of Consciousness. God created the universe by making us aware of it.


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    #19043054 - 10/27/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't really get what you're trying to say.  Do you think mushrooms created the universe?  Because that's what people usually mean when they refer to "God".




"If a tree fell in the forest but no one was there to hear it, would it make a sound?"

God, Entheogens, are the Essence of Consciousness. God created the universe by making us aware of it.




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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19043938 - 10/28/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're confounding things - consciousness, keys that unlock 'forbidden' consciousness, including verbal and artistic representational symbols of consciousness, and the Ultimate Source of consciousness.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
    #19044284 - 10/28/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood. My next door neighbors had 12 kids and half were girls and they without exception were good looking.





Since the thread is about almighty ass, did you ever play doctor? Do they do that in FL, or do they call it playing priest?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19045507 - 10/28/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We had mock weddings in my garage. The girl would pull her pants down, we'd walk to the alter and then I'd kiss her bare ass and we were married. :grin:


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    #19045750 - 10/28/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19049827 - 10/29/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Much different for me. :haha:


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    #19060751 - 10/30/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You're confounding things - consciousness, keys that unlock 'forbidden' consciousness, including verbal and artistic representational symbols of consciousness, and the Ultimate Source of consciousness.




The language of the cross may seem illogical to those who are not on the way to salvation, but those of us who are on the way see it as God's power to save. As scripture says: "I shall destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing all the learning of the learned." Where are the philosophers now? Where are the scribes? Where are any of the "thinkers" today? Do you see now how God has shown up the foolishness of human wisdom? If it was God's wisdom that worldly wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach. – 1st Corinthians, 1,18


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19061082 - 10/30/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You're confounding things - consciousness, keys that unlock 'forbidden' consciousness, including verbal and artistic representational symbols of consciousness, and the Ultimate Source of consciousness.




The language of the cross may seem illogical to those who are not on the way to salvation, but those of us who are on the way see it as God's power to save. As scripture says: "I shall destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing all the learning of the learned." Where are the philosophers now? Where are the scribes? Where are any of the "thinkers" today? Do you see now how God has shown up the foolishness of human wisdom? If it was God's wisdom that worldly wisdom should not know God, it was because God wanted to save those who have faith through the foolishness of the message that we preach. – 1st Corinthians, 1,18





Why is faith good? Why is believing something without proof good?


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    #19061194 - 10/30/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why is faith good? Why is believing something without proof good?




I think that real faith is different than what most people think faith is. To most people, faith means blind belief without there being any reason to believe.

My understanding of "faith" is more along the lines of that when you've seen God, beyond physical life and death, and you've seen Satan, beyond physical life and death, that there is a kind of "faithfulness" that can grow and cause you to not want to give in when worldly (satanic) pressures try to force you into corruption.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19061308 - 10/31/13 12:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The human mind is very powerful. When people really really want to believe something their mind  will make it so. Your mind can do amazing things. (like convince you that you feel gods presence)  It's very similar to being brainwashed.

I would love believe that when I die I am going to live in paradise for all eternity (if I'm a good boy) But it's just a fairy tale. People are so terrified of death that it's comforting to believe that. I can certainly understand it.

I don't know what happens after we die. No one does. A lot of people claim they know but they're mostly full of shit. I personally think the mystery of it is the exciting part.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19061372 - 10/31/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck everything you heard about god...


God isn't something that has freewill.

God is an indispensable being; not some connotation written in context. Hes the dude who decided to create reality. He also the dude who can take your reality away.


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    #19061379 - 10/31/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh.  I'm totally a believer now, thanks.  :thumbup:

Man, that makes things so much easier.


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    #19061622 - 10/31/13 02:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What good of a daddy would god be if he wouldn't let his children make their own experiences so they can have an own opinion and own decisions ?
That's why there is suffering on earth. To end it, it needs a choice.


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    #19061671 - 10/31/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah a real good daddy. Do everything I command and have faith I exist or I will punish you to eternal pain and suffering. Give me a break man


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    #19061692 - 10/31/13 03:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's not g*d who/which punishes us, it's ourselves.
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    #19061897 - 10/31/13 06:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Fuck everything you heard about god...

and believe only what I say about it":monkeydance:


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    #19061903 - 10/31/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not g*d who/which punishes us, it's ourselves.
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    #19061968 - 10/31/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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"Fuck everything you heard about god...

and believe only what I say about it":monkeydance:





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    #19063474 - 10/31/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh sheesh, maybe I should have used better words.

God is not something that can be written about; better?


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    #19063750 - 10/31/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe that understanding who God is comes from Reason and experience.

The scriptures are where to find the definition of God - at least, it's where to find the definition of the God that Christ, Moses, Buddha, Mohammed, etc., worshiped.

I am saying that the people who wrote the scriptures were calling Psychedelics "God" and that that is the true God.

For instance, the Hindus have a God called "Soma". Hindus today believe that Soma was a plant. However, they no longer know the identity of which plant Soma was, and so, they understand that they are using a substitute for the original.
   
The Vedas call Soma "the Creator of the Gods". Thus, Soma was what the
Christians call "the Father".

Most world religions had, or still have, a Communion ceremony. In the "Christian" Communion, they eat a wheat wafer, or drink wine and are then supposed to believe that these substances magically turn into the flesh and blood of God (Christ). They are then supposed to be able to see the "Light" and to receive the "Holy Spirit". When you ask them if they actually saw a real light or heard a real spirit they say "no".

When a person communes with the true Flesh and Blood of Christ, they see a real Light and receive a real Holy Spirit.

Does any "Christian" today think that the original Christians didn't see a real Light or receive a real Holy Spirit? Why then does no one today see these things?
   
I believe that today's "Christians" have not only lost the identity of the true Host, but they have lost the knowledge that the substance they are calling the "Host", is, in fact, a substitute.
   
The (Mexican) Nahua word for Psilocybin, Teonanacatl, means “God’s Flesh”.
   
1Kings, 8,10: When the priests came out of the inner shrine, a Cloud filled the temple of the Lord so densely that the priests could not stand up to serve; for the splendour of glory of the Lord filled the temple of the Lord. -- What do you think they were burning on the altar?
   
Psalm 18, 9: Smoke fumed from Their nostrils, and scorching fire from Their lips kindled blazing coals, as down They came on the bending sky, the storm Cloud at Their feet. They rode on flying cherubs, and swooped with the wings of the wind; shrouding Themselves in darkness that veiled Their Presence round, with rain Clouds dark and dense.
    Storm Clouds rolled in front of Them, with hail and lightning flashes, and from Heaven the Lord thundered, the Most High uttered Their voice; They scattered Their arrows, shot twisting flashes of lightning, till the beds of the Waters were seen and the earth’s foundations were laid bare,
    At Thy storming, O Lord,
    At the blast of the Breathe of Thy Nostrils
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    1 St. John, 2, 26):  I am writing to you in this way about those who  would deceive you, but the Oil you received from him remains within you and you really need no teaching from anyone; simply remain in him, for his Oil teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie--remain in him,  as his Oil has taught you to do.


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    #19065954 - 10/31/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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God is not something that can be written about; better?




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God isn't something that has freewill.

God is an indispensable being; not some connotation written in context. Hes the dude who decided to create reality. He also the dude who can take your reality away.




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    #19066020 - 10/31/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:haha:


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    #19066207 - 10/31/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Taking my words waaaay to fucking literally; I sware, athiest's get much more defensive and butt hurt then most Christians I know.

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God is not something that can be written about; better?




LET ME REITERATE, NO HOLY SCRIPTURE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT GOD THINKS IS RIGHT AND WRONG.

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Hes the dude who decided to create reality. He also the dude who can take your reality away.




LET ME REITERATE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE GOD IS THE CREATION AND THE ENDING.

Yall wanna stop spamming and give your input, or you just gonna sit behind that computer and laugh like you know more then everyone else?
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Fucking forums man, half of the threads consist of over observant people who can read into everything but "can," "maybe," "should," "shouldn't."


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    #19066542 - 10/31/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Taking my words waaaay to fucking literally; I sware, athiest's get much more defensive and butt hurt then most Christians I know.

LET ME REITERATE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE GOD IS THE CREATION AND THE ENDING.




:lol:  Why didn't you just say that in the first place? I can only read and understand what you type.
The accuracy of my understanding depends on the accuracy of what you've written.

I'm the butthurt one? You seem pretty worked up.


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    #19066724 - 10/31/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

chill.

You should have been able to assume I believed in god when I first started talking about him/her being the creator and the end game. Dont break thing's down word for word, imagine having a conversation.....

We are in a thread based on controversial topics and you seem to assume that my opinion is based upon factual belief, and disregard it as such with petty sarcasm. Rather recognizing that im here for the sake of argument to stimulate my own aspiration for god and or a righteous ideal.

While you contribute nothing and your presumably bias opinion of "believers" being bias is outright frustrating and difficult to put into words. Especially when dealing with Inquisitive, un-opinionated, prejudiced, sociopath's.
(Not plural in this situation.)

So yes, I am pretty worked up. You dont do anything but interrogate impossible questions that have impossible answers. Your not here to learn, your not here to discuss. From what I have seen of your last few posts, your here to bigot people.

Contribute, I hope you will find me very open minded; I have changed beliefs more then a few times only to find faith the only viable option for any and all things.


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    #19066789 - 10/31/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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LET ME REITERATE, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE GOD IS THE CREATION AND THE ENDING.






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    #19066896 - 10/31/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you seem to assume that my opinion is based upon factual belief




I don't know what gives you that impression.

Listen, it's not my fault you were contradicting yourself.  Sorry if I came off as an ass.  Feel free to believe I'm a sociopath if you like.  :grin:


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    #19067084 - 10/31/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you seem to assume that my opinion is based upon factual belief, and disregard it as such with petty sarcasm.


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    #19067191 - 11/01/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So what you're saying is your beliefs are not based on facts?  How do you expect to share them then?

I understand how subjective experiences can be convincing, but that type of thing is usually best kept to oneself because it will never be objective.

You have made the assumption in this thread that I am an atheist.  I will not claim to know that there is no god.  In fact at times in my life I have been convinced that there is.  I'm not gonna try to prove it to anyone though, that would be silly.  Especially because I can't even prove it to myself.


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    #19067302 - 11/01/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who you calling a sociopath?  And who you calling an athiest?  You are certainly free with the name calling.  I think you and I are going to get along just fine.  For the short time you last here that is. :satansmoking:


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    #19067414 - 11/01/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So what you're saying is your beliefs are not based on facts?  How do you expect to share them then?




The same way I can say that facts stem from opinion.
But of course that would reprimand logic. And is another topic for another thread, sorry if I have seemed antagonistic. Today has been stressful but I hate complaining about my problems; sorry if I seemed, uh frustrating.


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    #19070094 - 11/01/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not g*d who/which punishes us, it's ourselves.
:jointsmile:





How do you figure that?



Most of the time we have/had a choice to choose for better.


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    #19073497 - 11/02/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Many people would need to allow similar words to the OP to affect them before they could open themselves to seriously contemplate anything that you write here. I still have to run these basic deconstructions far too regularly. I still associate with my family and keep hearing their fundamentalist rantings.


Perhaps I'm fortunate that I've become old in that I've outlived the older generation who I was supposed to answer to. I rebelled at an early age against the cultural programming that told me who I was. I disregarded it and struck out on my own to discover who and what I was, what it meant to be a naked human being underneath the socio-biological and cultural levels.


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    #19073511 - 11/02/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why is faith good? Why is believing something without proof good?




I think that real faith is different than what most people think faith is. To most people, faith means blind belief without there being any reason to believe.

My understanding of "faith" is more along the lines of that when you've seen God, beyond physical life and death, and you've seen Satan, beyond physical life and death, that there is a kind of "faithfulness" that can grow and cause you to not want to give in when worldly (satanic) pressures try to force you into corruption.




Lighten up. Your dualistic thinking is only to result in you thinking of yourself as a centauric being, and denigrating the animal from the belly down while elevating the angel from the heart up. Continue in this line and will no doubt experience a serious breakdown in the not-too-distant future. It is you who are vilifying simply animal proclivities of sexual and social behaviors which are merely mammalian characteristics. The "glamour of Satan" is just all this media-hyped celebrity worship with the social-sexual obsessiveness of the multitudes, who are living merely mammalian lives. Let it go and learn to integrate your own animal and angelic natures into an integrated whole. Wholeness is the etymological basis for the word holiness..


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    #19073810 - 11/02/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in the god head, but not any religions god.  Maybe the universe has god like qualities and death has heaven and hellish qualities.  But, I don't believe in places or things when the after life is concerned.  Seems dream worlds can have those things, but are they real?  Probably not, they are as real as thoughts, which can be so powerful in certain mind states.


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Lighten up. Your dualistic thinking is only to result in you thinking of yourself as a centauric being, and denigrating the animal from the belly down while elevating the angel from the heart up.




I don't consider the "animal" to represent "from the belly down". To me, the "animal" is the lack of Reason and Divine MInd. Reason and Mind can rule over the whole body and They don't eliminate the lower parts of the body.

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Continue in this line and will no doubt experience a serious breakdown in the not-too-distant future.



Thank you for your concern, however, those who have found the only true God, Entheogens, who are protected by Holy Reason and the Divine Mind, do not have to fear breakdown. On the contrary, it is those who do not have this who are in danger.

In Sion, sinful people are terrified, the impious are seized with shuddering, crying, ‘Oh who can live with such a devouring Fire? Who can live on with such a lasting Flame?’ – Those who scorn to profit by oppression, whose who will not clutch at any bribe, those who listen to no plans of murder, those who will not look at crime, -- those who live uprightly, just in word and deed – they shall dwell far out of reach of harm, as on a stronghold of a cliff, secure - their bread provided, their water sure. --  Isaiah, 33,14



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Well said Markos




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Lighten up. Your dualistic thinking is only to result in you thinking of yourself as a centauric being, and denigrating the animal from the belly down while elevating the angel from the heart up.




I don't consider the "animal" to represent "from the belly down". To me, the "animal" is the lack of Reason and Divine MInd. Reason and Mind can rule over the whole body and They don't eliminate the lower parts of the body.




Some models, especially the mythic ones that derive immediately from the collective unconscious, are more efficacious for guiding us than any rational intellectual explanations. I am a reasonable man but I also realize that the mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master. Reason is a linear, logical explication of understanding that sometimes appears in a flash of insight. I have followed logical courses of discipline for many years at a time that I thought were a logical conclusion of certain insights. There was no joy in it. It may have prevented me from getting lost in more stupidities than many of my peers, but after the novelty of a disciplined life wore off, it simply degenerated in joyless strife. Whenever I read  capitalization the word Reason, I immediately get the impression of a control freak, not merely a self-disciplined person. I sense repression and fear of the irrational unconscious, because I have been in that place for quite some time as a young man. Here I see Reason right next to Divine Mind, as if these are somehow on a par, ontologically equivalent. They may both hold equal subjective regard (I don't know the poster personally), but reason doesn't have the same elevated Thomistic appeal to me. Correct me if I'm misinterpreting. Reason certainly cannot apprehend transcendental levels of awareness.

But further, the "Divine Mind," the Logos, is transrational, non-rational but not irrational. Transrational is a transcendental reason that operates beyond human reason, just as the undiscovered macro laws of the universe do. I mean, physics cannot account for why the expanding universe is speeding up, for example. That doesn't make sense to the physics that governs unimaginable expanses of space, yet does not govern the whole. The Divine Mind is not known by reason. It makes its presence known through intuition, gnosis, or whatever one denotes as transcendental wisdom. It does not often find a home in minds that are strung too tightly with reason. Living too much in reason usually means a bias that doesn't allow for a balance between Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, and Sensing. I tried to live a life angelic once upon a time. I began to see the demonic in everything but my fanciful expectations for myself.


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    #19074969 - 11/02/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Reason", with a capital "R" is different than the reason of the world - just as true Wisdom is different than the "wisdom" of the world (and God is different than the god of the world.)

True Reason leads to the recognition of the true God (Entheogens) -- and the Mind of God is the "Divine" Mind.

A person without this can certainly become bogged down in the joyless chains of worldly "reason".

Since you have been brought to true Life with Christ, you must look for the things that are in heaven, where Christ is, sitting at God's right hand.  Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on earth,  because you have died, and now the life you have is hidden with Christ in God. -- Colossians, 3, 1 (St. Paul)


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the true God (Entheogens)




I know this is kinda why we are all here, but isn't there more to life...?


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the true God (Entheogens)




I know this is kinda why we are all here, but isn't there more to life...?




Yes... Jesus people. Drugs give your gerbil brains a temporary human understanding and breaks down gerbil social programming and gerbil perspective, but you have to spend some damn time as an integrating gerbil to get up to rat status.


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    #19075179 - 11/02/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I edited my post for clarity's sake. I understand what the Divine Mind denotes, but that is all we can do with such a reference. I do not believe that Paul had an accurate grasp of the teachings of Jesus. He was clearly wrong about the imminent end of time, and what's more, his understanding of the end of days was taken in a historical sense, not in a mystical sense. The entire inner change was projected onto history using mythic imagery gleaned from Jewish apocalyptic writers. Advice not to marry and be concerned for worldly endeavors was all because Paul was mentally poised on the edge of a radical cosmic event that was to descend from 'on high.' He was a victim to the mentality of both mythic thought and the intolerable conditions of a Roman occupied world in which he lived and died.

I prefer many of the mystic's interpretations of what Jesus was alleged to impart, NOT the mainstream theology of Christianity that has its basis in genuine Pauline letters and pseudo-Pauline forgeries. The contemporary mystic Eckhart Tolle (who took his first name from the great medieval mystic Meister Eckhart), has given an unsurpassed description of the kingdom of Heaven/God that leaves Pauline Christianity in the darkness of misinterpreted mythos and midrash. Instead of understanding these writings as midrash, that utilizes even older Hebrew mythic imagery, people still attempt to take the writings literally. This is why there has been little to no real spiritual development among Christians that I have met over the 60 years of my life. Denominational bigotry within Christendom, religious bigotry toward other faiths, suppression, repression, neurosis, sexual dysfunction, religious and religion-based political fanaticism is what I see in my life, and history shows me the pogroms, persecutions, crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, anti-Semitism against Jews and Muslims alike. The organized churches are NOT 'the mystical body of Christ.' Neither is the KKK a White Christian fraternal brotherhood, and a cross-lighting an act of love. The forms of Christianity are a dead husk, Christ is not Present where 'three are gathered in his name.' It's simply not true - intended and hoped for, but one is deluded if that's what one perceives. The Logos panthentheistically suffuses all of space-time, it is not "superabundantly" present in books, scrolls, bread or wine IMO.


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    #19075199 - 11/02/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the true God (Entheogens)




I know this is kinda why we are all here, but isn't there more to life...?




Since when did the knowledge and belief that Entheogens are the true God become a part of practically anyone's life?


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    #19077142 - 11/02/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19078772 - 11/03/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

True Reason leads to the recognition of the true God (Entheogens)

NO NO!  My god is the real one. :monkeydance:


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    #19079691 - 11/03/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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NO NO!  My god is the real one. :monkeydance:




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    #19079819 - 11/03/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for your concern, however, those who have found the only true God, Entheogens, who are protected by Holy Reason and the Divine Mind, do not have to fear breakdown. On the contrary, it is those who do not have this who are in danger.

You obviously do not understand the notation 'God.' Entheogens are material aids, sacraments even, but not God, and it is a meaningless statement. As for your being protected, you remind me of the Haitian janitor I saw in a Home Depot once, right before a hurricane. He must have been helping someone else, because he wasn't going to batten down. God was going to protect him out of everyone else. Uh huh. :rolleyes: There is 'assurance' about metaphysical verities, like being 'justified' or 'sanctified.' It is a form of 'grace.' And then there is delusional thinking  - certitude about possible psychophysical illness not happening.


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    #19080183 - 11/03/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Damn Markos your on fire lately! I like it! :awesomenod:


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    #19080588 - 11/03/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder about this.  Seems just having or looking at some shrooms (for example) is not god.  Yet eating them and smoking some fine cannabis, this can be god.  Your not more likley to find god in church, or even on a mountain top......without these tools.

I think these drugs open up our mind to imagine what god's thoughts may exist as.  I found it was like self hypnosis, visual aids, a toy of non-existance which everything exists.  How can things exist and not exist?  Simple, nothing lasts for ever, that's the non-existance.  What does exist is so small in the grand scheme that imagining great tools of seeing how nothing really is....nothing will be and it's always that way.

Gotta clear the mind sometimes.  See how problems don't exist and not be overcome by what is so small in the big picture.

When you were a kid and someone gives you a phone and says it's so and so.  You pick up that phone as it is that person.  Shrooms are like phones, for the spirit world....but not so much for just looking at.


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    #19081911 - 11/03/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder about this.  Seems just having or looking at some shrooms (for example) is not god.  Yet eating them and smoking some fine cannabis, this can be god.





This just seems like sloppy language to me.  Why use the word "god" for a certain state of mind?  The word is already confused and contested enough to be meaningless.


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    #19084319 - 11/04/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, call it the god head.  The inner being of higher inspiration.


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call it the god head. 


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    #19084629 - 11/04/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19085011 - 11/04/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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call it the god head. 





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    #19091436 - 11/05/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.



Hello Stromrider

God is jealous of the ones he loves. His jealousy for the ones he loves would then bring out his wrath (punishment) on those that would want to attack one of his own. Just like your love for your partner would make you fight for her safety. This is obviously not the only way jealousy and wrath can be attributed to the God of the Bible, but it's just an example of him being "jealous and wrathful" as you say, and it not being such a bad thing.

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Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!



If the God of the Bible is real?, then there is Good and Bad. This Good is 100% Good, and the Bad is 100% bad. This being the case then, why? as you ask,
would the God of the Bible allow this to happen?

For a purpose.

Now my understanding of the Bible is that God gives each man and woman a choice. It is in this choice that good and bad finds it purpose. A small example is that God is good, and the world is bad (James 4:4). In this way God (good/light) shines in the world (bad/in darkness). You could say that by there being bad (darkness).... God can show his Good-ness(light) Doesn't a light work best in a dark place??. Also good and bad could be looked at like a two gloves. We as humans choose which one we will wear (in our actions). Or another way to look at it is like this. A person is making a decision. one of their choice is bad, one good. just like a intersection with two possible ways to go, we have been given the ability (to choice) to do good (going right at this intersection) or bad (going left at this intersection). Can you then see how a choice by God, would then require the need to obey (good) or disobey (bad). The Bad you speak of is from people that are evil and that as such people, they do bad things. But God will ultimately deal with them...Don't you worry about that :wink:

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If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!



Two things, First, you are only looking at things from a worldly viewpoint (the now). The Bible makes is clear that heaven and earth will pass away (Mathew 24:35). God on the other hand is looking and working from the now and after viewpoint. Your concerned with your room on the Titanic and the bad people across the hall from you. God is concerned with what happens when (and after) the titanic sinks. And coincidentally, the good (according to God and his standards) will make it off the sinking boat, the bad, will go down with the ship.

Second, he doesn't want anyone to perish, this is why he sent his son, to pay our debt, the thing is some people don't want their debt payed, in the end God made a way of escape, but they rejected it.

There are three types of people
.1. these people believe and accept God's gift of salvation, (they also accept that God made them, therefore ultimately they are God servants)
.2. these people don't believe in God, but the time is coming where God will show himself to these people. The will then believe and become like .1.
.3. these people don't believe in God, but the time is coming where God will show himself to these people. The will still not believe and, and they will hate and reject God and his children and have pride in their hearts (just like the god they would rather serve (satan)).
God knowing these people hearts, he then made them as evil unbelievers. he made them as they are (and chose to be)

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Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!



Think of it this way, God knows your choice and whether you will ultimately choose him or not, that is, his salvation. So if him knowing that you will never will follow him, he then makes you as a black chess piece. Those he knows will choose him and follow, he has made a white chess piece.

It is in this game of chess;

That God;

Has people choose or reject him (free will)
Has people that reject him and serves the god of this world (think of satan as the driver of the titanic)
Shows his Goodness (light) in a dark world
That he find,rescues, and saves the lost
That he heals our wounds (that sin causes)
That he punishes (now and later) his enemies
That he sets the captives free
That he forgives repentant sinners

That we;

Accept or reject his gift of salvation
Get to show God our level of obedience (this will be rewarded later on)
That as his people, he uses us to reach the lost
That as his enemies, he uses these people to strengthen and be in the lives his people for good (Romans 9:22-23)

So, i say that God is Almighty, and i haven't even touched on his powerfulness, and wisdom, and so on. Look at the beauty and wonder of the universe, the majestic-ness of the animals he made, e.g the Eagle, the Lion (and so many many more!!!), the creatures in the sea, the joy's of life (love, joy, things that you love), and so on and so on and so on and so on.

One day bad will be no more, it it required right now for God to work his purposes (his plan of salvation) and for us to choose or reject him (with eternal consequences).
(chose wisely then!!!)

Almighty my a##?, you got that right !!!!!!
He is ALL-MIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #19091456 - 11/05/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.


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    #19092453 - 11/05/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.




If only we could all be so lucky

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    #19093318 - 11/05/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thank you for your concern, however, those who have found the only true God, Entheogens, who are protected by Holy Reason and the Divine Mind, do not have to fear breakdown. On the contrary, it is those who do not have this who are in danger.




You obviously do not understand the notation 'God.' Entheogens are material aids, sacraments even, but not God, and it is a meaningless statement. As for your being protected, you remind me of the Haitian janitor I saw in a Home Depot once, right before a hurricane. He must have been helping someone else, because he wasn't going to batten down. 




Well, I think it is you who needs to batten down and is counting on whatever whatever you believe in, to protect you-- and it isn't. But who can offer you any advice?

The Hindus have a God that is a plant. And that Plant is called Soma. The Vedas call Soma "the Creator of the gods."

But, you think that "Entheogens are material aids, sacraments even, but not God, and it is a meaningless statement." So, according to you, the authors of the Vedas were wrong -- Soma wasn't a God -- or the Creator of the gods -- and the Vedas are simply a collection of meaningless statements.

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God was going to protect him out of everyone else. Uh huh. There is 'assurance' about metaphysical verities, like being 'justified' or 'sanctified.' It is a form of 'grace.'




God, Entheogens, protects people by giving them awareness of the dangers that exist and showing them the way out. Believe me, being very aware of the violent, unconscious, and unscrupulous condition of the world, I am as "battened down" as possible. I certainly don't rule out the possibility of very unpleasant attacks from the powers of darkness , however, I have always managed to come through them and ended up in better shape than I started. So I have hope and faith.

As King David wrote: "Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord saves them out of them all." -- Psalm 34, 19

That doesn't mean that God prevented afflictions. And it also doesn't mean that God said "Abracadabra" and the afflictions suddenly disappeared.


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    #19093326 - 11/05/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Endogenous I take it you're like a shamanic pantheist?


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    #19094984 - 11/06/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.



:lol::thumbup:

That belief in gods chosen people is really dumb. I can't believe anyone still believes that nonsense but they do. :braindamage:


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    #19095121 - 11/06/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, well, someone other than me is more than a tad confused and doesn't seem to know if he is a Vedantist (or an Avestan for that matter) or a 'Bibilcist.' The churning of the Milky Ocean in Amrita using Mt. Mandar on the back of Vishnu as the Great Tortoise avatar, and the Serpent King as the churning string is Hindu mythology. The use of Soma in the Rig Veda by clergy, paralleled the myths, much like today's Christians repeat the Passover Last Supper with the Eucharist. The Soma was ostensibly psychoactive, and retained a numinosity, just as the Eucharist in Catholic tradition is seen as transubstantiated Body and Blood of Christ. So in parallel veins, both traditions consume the god. But your language conflates these traditions, as well as misunderstands the meaning of a sacrament in your response.

As for, Well, I think it is you who needs to batten down and is counting on whatever whatever you believe in, to protect you-- and it isn't.  :lol: WTF is this? Really? It's difficult  to take the writer of this seriously.

But who can offer you any advice? I'm gonna cut-n-paste from my esotericonline.com page to answer this question. Some of the authors of these books are currently alive, many are not:

Books by Herman Hesse, Philip K. Dick, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Aldous Huxley. But, I'm not a big reader of fiction. Instructive guides for my spiritual journey have been important: BE HERE NOW, R.M. Bucke's Cosmic Consciousness, Plotinus' The Enneads, Iamblichus' On the Mysteries, Writings by Pseudo-Dionysus, Paul Tillich's The Eternal Now, Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now, The Nag Hammadi library, The Bible, The Ante-Nicean Fathers, The Collected Works of Plato, Upanishads, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Tao Te Ching, Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism, Autobiography of a Yogi, The Collected Works of C.G. Jung. Books by: William James, Marie Louise von Franz, Jean Shinoda Bolen, Edward Edinger, James Hillman, Richard Noll, Ken Wilber, Alan Watts, R.D. Laing, Ram Dass, John C. Lilly, Stanislav Grof, Terrence McKenna, Victor Frankl, Abraham Maslow, Soren Kierkegaard, John Shelby Spong, Freke & Gandy, Hans Jonas, Elaine Pagels, Joseph Campbell, Lama Anagarika Govinda, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Gopi Krishna, Eliphas Levi, Aleister Crowley, Richard Cavendish, Gershom Scholem, Will Parfitt, Paracelsus, Mark Stavish, Manfred Junius, R.A. Bartlett, D.W. Hauck, D.M. Murdock.


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    #19095470 - 11/06/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Endogenous I take it you're like a shamanic pantheist?




Who wasn't?

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty and judgeth among the gods.
-- Psalm 82, 1

    “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ?
-- St. John, 10, 33

    Speak the Truth; do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked, even though it be a little; by these three steps you will come near the Gods.. --Dhamapeda

In fact, the Hebrew word for "God" is "Elohim" which is plural and means "Gods". The Bible actually translates: "In the beginning, the Gods created the Heaven and the earth."

The "Saints" were the "Gods" who were created by "the Father" (Soma, Entheogens). And more -- those who rebelled were also called 'gods" as in the last part of Psalm 82: "I have said, 'Ye art gods and all of you are children of the Most High. But you shall die like mortals, and fall as one of the princes." This also explains why the "Lord God", of the Garden of Eden, was called a "God".


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    #19095649 - 11/06/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.



:lol::thumbup:

That belief in gods chosen people is really dumb. I can't believe anyone still believes that nonsense but they do. :braindamage:




"The human is hidden inwardness in absolute passion; here again is the implication that everyone else must be equally able to approach God, because the person who in absolute inwardness wants to be conscious of being a chosen one eo ipso lacks inwardness, since his life is comparative. ... In the religiousness of hidden inwardness, a person does not consider himself better than anyone else, does not consider himself distinguished by the relationship with God in a way that is not possible for everyone." - Soren Kierkegaard in Concluding Unscientific Postscript to Philosophical Fragments, Hong, pp. 496–497, 501–505, 510, 538–539, 556


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    #19096316 - 11/06/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I really can't tell a difference between god and god head.  I have no care for a christian god.  I do however enjoy thinking like my idea of god.  A powerful and terrifying understanding of everything, with no lack of love for fear.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Morel Guy]
    #19096498 - 11/06/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I really can't tell a difference between god and god head.  I have no care for a christian god.  I do however enjoy thinking like my idea of god.  A powerful and terrifying understanding of everything, with no lack of love for fear.




Of course, there is no such thing as a "christian god," it is a matter of which Christians have formulated conceptions about God, or the Godhead. The former usually refers to the theistic deity, replete with attributes like jealous, wrathful, loving, etc. The Father is supposed to be the Hebrew YHWH (Yahweh), which is very much like the Greek Zeus or Latin Deus. The Godhead often refers to deity beyond attributes, and beyond the trinitarian God. The Christian Neoplatonist Pseudo-Dionysus used the term "Superessential Godhead" which was a Unity beyond comprehension and description. These categories have parallels in Judaism and Hinduism, and are not unique to Christianity. You might consider looking at Rudolph Otto's term: Mysterium Tremendum et Fascinans.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Otto


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19096608 - 11/06/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What if God is actually.............

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UUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19100631 - 11/07/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

God isnt an old man up in the sky... that is a manifestation... it is what moses would think God was when he was tripping. God is a force, an energy... we are all energy.. all is energy.. we all percieve differently.. some see God as a gearded man in the sky, some a little dwarf, or maybe a tree in the forest. In the end.. God is an energy, the one which is pure light, I would guess... People have different visions, and such they argue if God is has red or green toenails...


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icyus]
    #19100950 - 11/07/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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God isnt an old man up in the sky... that is a manifestation... it is what moses would think God was when he was tripping. God is a force, an energy... we are all energy.. all is energy.. we all percieve differently.. some see God as a gearded man in the sky, some a little dwarf, or maybe a tree in the forest. In the end.. God is an energy, the one which is pure light, I would guess... People have different visions, and such they argue if God is has red or green toenails...





I get amused when I hear people claim to know what God is.. You don't know that God is energy anymore than someone else knowing God is a bearded man. Quit pretending to have the answers because none of us do. The mystery is the most exciting part


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19101163 - 11/07/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When the energy that is also a mystery becomes the bearded man then you have something!:thumbup:


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    #19101578 - 11/07/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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When the energy that is also a mystery becomes the bearded man then you have something!:thumbup:





That's right :lol:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: circastes]
    #19101756 - 11/07/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What if God is actually.............

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UUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOW DOW DOWWWW





Yeah, well, I sort of entertain the idea that whatever God is, It becomes conscious through the instrumentation of our nervous system. The more highly tuned humans become instruments of God's Self-Realization, more-or-less untainted by identification with the human instrument. God is also the primal creative agency of space-time, and co-exists with space-time, yet is ontologically different from space-time in that God is eternal and space-time is not. This is why I'm a Panentheist, not a Pantheist. God is not the sum total of all things, but is a matrix that suffuses all of space-time, an eternal 'field-effect' from which space-time has been created or emanated. So inasmuch as self-conscious awareness can be isolated from its identification with our mind-body, and God becomes self-aware in us, then, you are correct - God is us.  :strokebeard:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19101928 - 11/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I love reading your post Markos! Shroomery S&M is very lucky to have your wisdom and insight


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19102043 - 11/07/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




Why do you attribute these traits to God (who by your own admittance doesn't even exist) rather than yourself? :wink:

There is theory that the world is how it is as a result of everyones projected guilt as a result of separation from the perfect God source that has no intervention in our imperfect world. For "it" to intervene or be aware of the imperfect world would render it imperfect and time and space meaningful which is contrary to it's essence.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19102426 - 11/07/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not claiming god does not exist. I'm just saying Idk what god is or isn't and neither does anyone else. Anyone one (including the bible) that claims to know what god is or isn't is ridiculous. I have opinions as to what I think god is but I don't claim certainly and neither should anyone else


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19102559 - 11/07/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know your stance on the matter as we've spoken before.  I'm just introducing the theory that God is a supposed separate entity for the world that we have perhaps created.

In a nutshell, negative things occur because they are symbolic of being separate and at distance from God as opposed to living with him in something "he" created.

The "How could God create this?" question is  common one, but in accordance with the theory, the question isn't "how could he?" rather "how could I?".


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19102580 - 11/07/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I see your point.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Morel Guy]
    #19102862 - 11/07/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder about this.  Seems just having or looking at some shrooms (for example) is not god.  Yet eating them and smoking some fine cannabis, this can be god. 




That's why there's a Communion ceremony in which the substance eaten is called the "Flesh of God". (The Nahua/Aztec word for Psilocybin is "Teonanacatl" -- which means "God's Flesh".)

Because Christ was One with God, (Entheogens), therefore the Eucharist substance, (Entheogens) was His Flesh and Blood. Christ said, "For My Flesh is real food and My Blood is real drink."

You have to eat God/Christ to see God/Christ.

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." -- St. Luke, 17,20


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19120590 - 11/11/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think somehow of g*d as an universal principle, that carried on from the big bang (and 'before'), over our evolution until to the feeling that prevents us to harm ourselves.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19120885 - 11/11/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's why there's a Communion ceremony in which the substance eaten is called the "Flesh of God". (The Nahua/Aztec word for Psilocybin is "Teonanacatl" -- which means "God's Flesh".)

Because Christ was One with God, (Entheogens), therefore the Eucharist substance, (Entheogens) was His Flesh and Blood. Christ said, "For My Flesh is real food and My Blood is real drink."

You have to eat God/Christ to see God/Christ.



Very nice.

Physical consumption of "godhood" in order to realize godhood is a very old concept.  The Christians were relative latecomers to the idea.

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I think somehow of g*d as an universal principle, that carried on from the big bang (and 'before'), over our evolution until to the feeling that prevents us to harm ourselves.



So you will not spell out the name "god," will you. :wink:

That's cool.  Perhaps you're spiritually and/or culturally Jewish, which is also cool.

I'm curious, though:  Do you think God has a problem with us speaking his/her name?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19122455 - 11/11/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I love reading your post Markos! Shroomery S&M is very lucky to have your wisdom and insight




I didn't see this earlier. Thank's for the kind words Stromrider.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19125699 - 11/12/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think somehow of g*d as an universal principle, that carried on from the big bang (and 'before'), over our evolution until to the feeling that prevents us to harm ourselves.



So you will not spell out the name "god," will you. :wink:

That's cool.  Perhaps you're spiritually and/or culturally Jewish, which is also cool.

I'm curious, though:  Do you think God has a problem with us speaking his/her name?



No, g*d surely has no problem with that but we have, when addressing g*d. Who want's to address some strange juggernaut ? :sun:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19125727 - 11/12/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.





I guess it depends on what your opinion of what god might be, for certain concepts make more sense than others, some none at all.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
- Albert Einstein

a lot of the stuff i hear about in the bible and other organized monotheistic religions makes no sense to me.. ie, not speaking 'his' name or taking no idols or whatever. a more reasonable construct for 'god' would be that which is all-encompassing. infinite... and i see the universe as being infinte, and synonymous with the term 'god'

in this pantheistic sense, god is not a seperate entity... rather it /is/ reality.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19125771 - 11/12/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you attribute these traits to God (who by your own admittance doesn't even exist) rather than yourself? :wink:

There is theory that the world is how it is as a result of everyone projected guilt as a result of separation from the perfect God source that has no intervention in our imperfect world. For "it" to intervene or be aware of the imperfect world would render it imperfect and time and space meaningful which is contrary to it's essence.




theories are not enough existing to be the reason of anything looking alive and physically being present

like i would reply to your mind sentence, if the it is exclusively superior positively free always out right of true existence

then logically there cant be inferior existence and surely more never negative one objectively

what disprove the existence of god, is not only that

it is the impossibility for any true superiority to accept that obvious existence of ours

the basic principle of true superiority is objective superiority always, you cant be out of something superior yourself if that thing is not superior first certainly too though you would be superior sense from the fact that you are alone positive still so free fact, while objects are always related to what is objective from before which is why reality cannot be free


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19125910 - 11/12/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




god doesnt exist because he kills everything to be positive living one
as he wants, so the condition of him being positive is to be free from everything by killing it so totally not existing so he can be constant his positive will

so you see how he is unfortunately all negative things sources as his base of being alive

like what you said is wrong, if god wasnt alive you cant see wrong above right being

beings are like things only objective realities means, so the constancy is what prevail, and negative thing by definition cannot be constant to be then in any form real

because god exist that we the right people are weak and the wrong people are strong, and animals are the strongest kind, gods life is animals life actually even if just through but the constancy must be very close to what they are really positive about

humans are strong only by using guns and bombs, so what they mean to be god condition of living by killing all else rights first, but they are not really gods base since gods are forcing them to mean it while being that else right too so to get killed by meaning it, since any human is the object constant body being first, this is what prove to me that animals are more gods life then humans, they seem to act more smart regarding their real beings constant survival ways


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19131657 - 11/13/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.



Hello Sleepwalker

I'm not one of the good ones. What i am is someone who has accepted that i am a sinner and that i need a savior. My referring to being made a white or black chess piece has more to do with the fact that, God knowing our hearts, he uses this knowledge/fact, for his purposes.  E.g, God wants christians to forgive. For one of God's followers to truly forgive someone, there has to be someone who truly wrongs them. See how God then uses a black piece (that is someone who does not believe) to be used in the life of a white chess piece (believer). By being wronged by the unbeliever, They can demonstrate God's forgiveness to them.

In this a few things can happen

.1. The believer has the ability (in the true sense of the word: forgive) to forgive the unbeliever (obeying God)
.2. The forgiven unbeliever can see this forgiveness from the believer and in seeing it, they see (or start to see) God.
.3. The unbeliever doesn't care for the forgiveness given to them (they only hate the person more). These people show the condition of their heart. They are evil people, and they hate the light (God's light).

Say you're in the carpet cleaning business. You (as God does) know whether a house has carpet or not (our ultimate choice concerning God). Tell me then. Would you, knowing that the house you are about to knock on, has no carpet, knock on the door?  See how in your knowing would mean, you wouldn't knock.  In the same way God, fully knowing our hearts, uses this fact for his purposes (plan of salvation, amongst other things).

p.s God can change a black chess piece to white, but God determines when it happens. And it happens all within his (an almighty belongs here) purpose.

p.p.s There's nothing stopping you from grabbing a Bible, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, Call out to God for this salvation that he offers and gives to us. You too can be the white one :wink:
But, if you open the Bible with a closed heart (not really seeking the truth) then don't be surprised when you find what you're looking for. God isn't playing games here.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19131687 - 11/13/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing stopping you from grabbing a Bible, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, Call out to God for this salvation that he offers and gives to us. You too can be the white one :wink:
But, if you open the Bible with a closed heart (not really seeking the truth) then don't be surprised when you find what you're looking for. God isn't playing games here.




I thought so, If I interpret the incredibly vague bible in a different way than you, then I am a black piece.

Someone who sees life in a different light must of course not be truly seeking.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19131707 - 11/13/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The Bible is an absolute joke. I can't believe how many people in this day and time still call it gods word or the inspired word of God. Gimme a break... I need a kit Kat bar


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    #19131726 - 11/13/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.




If only we could all be so lucky

But in all seriousness I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and perception on this matter blessed



Hello Stromrider, no problem, although i did rush that post and didn't convey all that i meant.

To put it another way, let's say i offer you a plate and i say choose one of the muffins.  You look down at the plate to see only one Muffin. Tell me did you choose which Muffin you wanted, or did you have no choice in reality.  Now if the same scenario happens again and i this time there are two different muffins on the plate, then it can be said that you did have a choice. In this way of thinking, one can choose Good or Bad, if all we could do was good, then there is no choice given, one must be able to choose bad, for them to be able to truly choose good.

As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing. I hope that made some sense.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19131781 - 11/13/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing.




Alright, I'll bite.  What exactly is he doing that requires us to sort ourselves out?  And how do you, a lowly human, presume to understand God's plans?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19131790 - 11/13/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you really must know I was raised in a very Christian house. I was taken to church and Sunday schoolevery week and I was taught all this from a very young age. I was even taught that if I didn't comply with the rules of the Bible that I would face eternal suffering in hell! What a thing to put on a child!

I never really thought enough about my religion or faith to even question it until I was in my late 20s.i just kind of went along with it. I do live in the Bible belt after all. But then something changed. I'm not sure what happened but I started to question my religion and begin to study history and look into myself for answers.

When I say Almighty God my ass I am referring to my hatred for the God of the Holy Bible that I grew up learning about. I feel sorry for people that buy into that nonsense and live their life with the fear of eternal damnnation if they don't  comply to some rules of a 2000 year old fairytale


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19131813 - 11/13/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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blessed said:
As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing.




Alright, I'll bite.  What exactly is he doing that requires us to sort ourselves out?  And how do you, a lowly human, presume to understand God's plans?





Exactly... The Bible is humans trying to understand something they can't possibly comprehend. People are so terrified of loss of self that they make up stories of afterlife to get them through the day. Maybe if they practiced a few heroic doses of the mushroom they could see that loss of self (ego) can be a beautiful thing


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19131873 - 11/13/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hopefully yogi won't mind me quoting

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To be a christian means to accept and believe a whole lot of clearly dated, clearly man made, clearly contradictory bullshit.




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    #19133986 - 11/13/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's why there's a Communion ceremony in which the substance eaten is called the "Flesh of God". (The Nahua/Aztec word for Psilocybin is "Teonanacatl" -- which means "God's Flesh".)

Because Christ was One with God, (Entheogens), therefore the Eucharist substance, (Entheogens) was His Flesh and Blood. Christ said, "For My Flesh is real food and My Blood is real drink."

You have to eat God/Christ to see God/Christ.



Very nice.

Physical consumption of "godhood" in order to realize godhood is a very old concept.  The Christians were relative latecomers to the idea.




Since the true God is eternal, there is no religion that isn't a relative late comer. But, as Christ said, "Before Abraham, I am." He was identifying Himself as the 1st, the Serpent, the living Word -- eternal Life.

Just as God is the same God (Entheogens) whether They are called Yahweh, or Allah, or the Tree of Knowledge, or Soma -- so Christ is the same Christ whether They are called Christ, or Moses, or the Serpent, or Buddha.

The omnipresent Virtue will take shape
According only to the Tao.
The Tao Themselves are like some thing
Seen in a dream, elusive, evading one.
In Them are images, elusive, evading one.
In Them are things like shadows in twilight.
In Them are Essences, subtle but real,
Embedded in Truth.

From of old until now,
Under Names without end,
The First, the Beginning is seen.
How do I know the beginning of all,
What Their nature may be?
By these!

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    #19135190 - 11/14/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Just as God is the same God (Entheogens) whether They are called Yahweh, or Allah, or the Tree of Knowledge, or Soma -- so Christ is the same Christ whether They are called Christ, or Moses, or the Serpent, or Buddha.





Why do you regard the seprent as being Christ when it symbolizes the ego which is in perfect opposition to the holy spirit?


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    #19135334 - 11/14/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.




If only we could all be so lucky

But in all seriousness I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and perception on this matter blessed



Hello Stromrider, no problem, although i did rush that post and didn't convey all that i meant.

To put it another way, let's say i offer you a plate and i say choose one of the muffins.  You look down at the plate to see only one Muffin. Tell me did you choose which Muffin you wanted, or did you have no choice in reality.  Now if the same scenario happens again and i this time there are two different muffins on the plate, then it can be said that you did have a choice. In this way of thinking, one can choose Good or Bad, if all we could do was good, then there is no choice given, one must be able to choose bad, for them to be able to truly choose good.

As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing. I hope that made some sense.
Btw, please tell me honestly please, why did you make this thread? What motivated you in making a thread called "Almighty God My Ass"




Pharaoh in Exodus clearly didn't have a choice. God 'hardened is heart', so he would choose evil, so then God could punish him, so that people could see how great god is.


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    #19135363 - 11/14/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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...when it symbolizes the ego which is in perfect opposition to the holy spirit?



The obsession with the ego being the enemy of "spirit" or "holiness" is largely an Eastern thing.  The Christians were late to that game. 

To thrive, institutional religion requires an "enemy."  That's what fills up the weekly collection plates.  "War" against this or that is a great money-raiser.  The ego has long been the "enemy" for traditional Buddhist and Hindu thinkers.  The Christians turned the idea of the "wicked ego" into "Satan." 

I suppose it's easier to paint pictures of, and rant and rave against, "Satan" than it is to do the same vis-a-vis "the ego."

Or so the early Christians believed.


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    #19135643 - 11/14/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Knowing that, still, how could the serpent, even hypothetically as a symbol be regarded as Christ?

I appreciate that wasn't your suggestion, but it's the only thing I questioned :smirk:


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    #19135768 - 11/14/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gnostics believe that the serpent is Christ because he was freeing man from the tyranny from the Demiurge by giving man the knowledge of Good and Evil. They believe that the serpent told the truth, and the Demiurge lied, because after eating from the tree, adam and eve didn't die.

fyi, Gnostics call the God of the OT the 'Demiurge', which created the physical world to trap the spirit, or something like that. And Christ comes from a God above the Demiurge called the Father, who was sent to liberate humanity from the Demiurge's reign.


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    #19135930 - 11/14/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Just as God is the same God (Entheogens) whether They are called Yahweh, or Allah, or the Tree of Knowledge, or Soma -- so Christ is the same Christ whether They are called Christ, or Moses, or the Serpent, or Buddha.





Why do you regard the seprent as being Christ when it symbolizes the ego which is in perfect opposition to the holy spirit?




I guess because of what jesus said of being right like snakes or what snakes symbolize nature powerful ways to kill anyone

while from what I understood, the holy spirit in the bible is a ball of fire so it has nothing to do with conscious means in the spirit of rights clarity and peace

but I agree with how it sounds louche, as if it is becoming a fashionable trend for now to mean a kind of confusion between jesus and nature powers... I dunno why... they keep inventing any opposite argument to what is actually being for maximum of powers gains over the present known


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    #19135986 - 11/14/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We are each of us part serpent/devil and part lamb/angel.  Jesus was said to be fully human (despite his "divine" origin), so he too was part serpent and part lamb.

As certain philosophical Daoists tell us, you only know what it means to be "lamblike" (gentle, innocent) because you know what it means to be "serpent-like" (conniving, worldly).  The one attribute defines the other.  Without the one, the other is meaningless.

This is why, in my very humble opinion, we should never wish away any of our human bits. 

Not even the ones that seem unpleasant, or unenlightened, or unappealing to us.


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    #19136136 - 11/14/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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...when it symbolizes the ego which is in perfect opposition to the holy spirit?



The obsession with the ego being the enemy of "spirit" or "holiness" is largely an Eastern thing.  The Christians were late to that game. 

To thrive, institutional religion requires an "enemy."  That's what fills up the weekly collection plates.  "War" against this or that is a great money-raiser.  The ego has long been the "enemy" for traditional Buddhist and Hindu thinkers.  The Christians turned the idea of the "wicked ego" into "Satan." 

I suppose it's easier to paint pictures of, and rant and rave against, "Satan" than it is to do the same vis-a-vis "the ego."

Or so the early Christians believed.




While I've met many Buddhists who talk about the ego spreading around like a poison, and that it's evil, from my personal understanding of what the Buddha said, this is not what he intended at all. So much emphasis is placed on the ego because it is the strongest attachment our mind has, and attachment to things passing away will ultimately lead to pain. To cling to the ego as if it was real is what Buddhists call delusion.


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    #19136333 - 11/14/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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To cling to the ego as if it was real is what Buddhists call delusion.



I've never understood that.

Of course, the optimal way is to not cling to this or that and to bend in the breeze.  That's the way nature operates.  Saplings that bend to the ground when the snows come survive another year.  Those that cling to an upright position snap and die.

So I think we are best served by "bending" with all of our humanness, rejecting neither "this" nor "that."  Embracing it all.  Our "Big Bad Egos" included.

Our egos -- with all their worrisome effects -- have served our species well.  They've taken us to a point where we hope/think we can avoid the (supposed) obstacles that a (supposed) malevolent universe has placed in our ways.  Hence the origins of Buddhism and all other spiritual paths.

Do not wish away any of the human bits.

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    #19136582 - 11/14/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gnostics believe that the serpent is Christ because he was freeing man from the tyranny from the Demiurge by giving man the knowledge of Good and Evil. They believe that the serpent told the truth, and the Demiurge lied, because after eating from the tree, adam and eve didn't die.

fyi, Gnostics call the God of the OT the 'Demiurge', which created the physical world to trap the spirit, or something like that. And Christ comes from a God above the Demiurge called the Father, who was sent to liberate humanity from the Demiurge's reign.




As good of an explanation as I could have got. :thumbup:


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    #19136637 - 11/14/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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To cling to the ego as if it was real is what Buddhists call delusion.



I've never understood that.

Of course, the optimal way is to not cling to this or that and to bend in the breeze.  That's the way nature operates.  Saplings that bend to the ground when the snows come survive another year.  Those that cling to an upright position snap and die.

So I think we are best served by "bending" with all of our humanness, rejecting neither "this" nor "that."  Embracing it all.  Our "Big Bad Egos" included.

Our egos -- with all their worrisome effects -- have served our species well.  They've taken us to a point where we hope/think we can avoid the (supposed) obstacles that a (supposed) malevolent universe has placed in our ways.  Hence the origins of Buddhism and all other spiritual paths.

Do not wish away any of the human bits.

They serve us well.




I'm not saying these are my beliefs, but how I perceive traditional Buddhists view this issue. Once again, they don't think of the ego as 'big and bad', Buddhists view attachment- to anything- is the cause of suffering. There is a lot of talks on the ego because it's a very common attachment.

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Do not wish away any of the human bits.

They serve us well



There's many human bits that I believe don't serve us well, and if I could I could wish them away, I would in a second. Since wishing doesn't change anything, I don't waste my time.


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    #19136749 - 11/14/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19136792 - 11/14/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Once again, they don't think of the ego as 'big and bad', Buddhists view attachment- to anything- is the cause of suffering. There is a lot of talks on the ego because it's a very common attachment.



Some Buddhists (not all, but some) are obsessed with this "ego" thing.  And obsession is a major, major cause of suffering, in my view.

Medical science recognizes this, and there are products on the market to alleviate obsessive thoughts and behaviors.

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There's many human bits that I believe don't serve us well, and if I could I could wish them away, I would in a second.



Name one.  I dare ya.

If you say "aggression," for example, I'll suggest that aggression is a very useful human characteristic.  The problem is that our aggressive natures sometimes get misdirected in nonproductive ways.  We can work on that without tossing that particular human bit in the waste bin, though.

If you say "jealousy," I'll suggest that jealousy is a natural response to certain stimuli and helps us get the things we want and need to survive and prosper in the world. 

Again, jealousy can be misdirected and become counterproductive.  That's a bad thing, but we can work on that.  Let's not throw that baby out, either.

Go ahead.

Name a human bit you would wish away.

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    #19137022 - 11/14/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gnostics believe that the serpent is Christ because he was freeing man from the tyranny from the Demiurge by giving man the knowledge of Good and Evil. They believe that the serpent told the truth, and the Demiurge lied, because after eating from the tree, adam and eve didn't die.

fyi, Gnostics call the God of the OT the 'Demiurge', which created the physical world to trap the spirit, or something like that. And Christ comes from a God above the Demiurge called the Father, who was sent to liberate humanity from the Demiurge's reign.




As good of an explanation as I could have got. :thumbup:





Wow I never thought of the Adam and Eve story that way. Thanks for the insight white beard. All you guys are great. Your discussions in this thread have really made me think and taught me a lot. For that I thank you


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    #19137315 - 11/14/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Once again, they don't think of the ego as 'big and bad', Buddhists view attachment- to anything- is the cause of suffering. There is a lot of talks on the ego because it's a very common attachment.



Some Buddhists (not all, but some) are obsessed with this "ego" thing.  And obsession is a major, major cause of suffering, in my view.





I totally agree. I used to go to a dharma center for meditations and buddhist discussion about a year ago. There were a few there that were obsessed with saying things like "ego is terrible, it spreads from one person to the next like a disease. we need to wipe it out".


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Name one.  I dare ya.

Go ahead.

Name a human bit you would wish away.

I dare ya.




Unnecessary paranoia. Probably useful when we were constantly on the look out for predators, but essentially useless now, and messes up our lives, now that we have basic survival taken care of.

Also, Hate and intolerance.


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    #19138062 - 11/14/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I live in the south eastern us (the bible belt) and I am surrounded by Christians. What absolutely amazes me is how little any of them actually know about theology, the bible, and the actual recorded history surrounding it. How can people base their spiritual beliefs on something they know so very little about baffles me


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    #19138110 - 11/14/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, if they actually knew what it was about, I bet less would actually believe it.

I find it funny how so many people base their whole lives around a book they haven't even read. :lol:


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    #19138300 - 11/14/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, if they actually knew what it was about, I bet less would actually believe it.

I find it funny how so many people base their whole lives around a book they haven't even read. :lol:




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    #19139050 - 11/14/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Just as God is the same God (Entheogens) whether They are called Yahweh, or Allah, or the Tree of Knowledge, or Soma -- so Christ is the same Christ whether They are called Christ, or Moses, or the Serpent, or Buddha.





Why do you regard the seprent as being Christ when it symbolizes the ego which is in perfect opposition to the holy spirit?




Christ "opened the eyes of the blind" the same as did the Serpent. This "blindness" was not physical blindness.

Revelations, 3, 17:
"You say to yourself, 'I'm rich, I've made a fortune and have everything I want', never realizing that you are wretchedly and pitiably poor -- and blind and naked too."

How could they not realize that they were blind and naked? -- Because it wasn't a physical blindness or nakedness.

Genesis says that when Eve and Adam ate the Fruit, their "eyes were opened" and they saw that they were naked and were ashamed.

The next part of Revelations says: "I warn you, buy from me the gold that has been tested in the fire to make you really rich, and white robes to clothe you and cover your shameful nakedness, and eye ointment to put on your eyes so that you are able to see."

The "eye ointment" was Entheogens, the Tree of Knowledge -- which opened the eyes of the Spiritually blind to their shameful Spiritual nakedness.

Christ was the Serpent, and opening the eyes of the Spiritually blind with God's Flesh, the Tree of Knowledge, (Entheogens) was what God wanted Him to do.

Genesis, 3, 1:
"The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and that it was desirable for the knowledge that it could give. So she took some of its fruit and ate it. She gave some also to her husband who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they were naked."

(Christ said): "The Son of Man must be lifted up as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him." -- St. John, 3, 13


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    #19139172 - 11/14/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You have very curious interpretations of scripture Endogenous


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    #19139550 - 11/15/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

because he wants to mean that evil is also a value

like snakes are known for their evil means, how to get to poison different livings without meaning to eat them is the snake will life growth alone

this what religions are for, to generalize wrong principles and force them on everyone through some powers that shut off any free right to refuse, especially when it is a negative mean


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    #19140211 - 11/15/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Go ahead.

Name a human bit you would wish away.

I dare ya.



Unnecessary paranoia. Probably useful when we were constantly on the look out for predators, but essentially useless now, and messes up our lives, now that we have basic survival taken care of.

Also, Hate and intolerance.



Paranoia -- Well, I don't know about it being "essentially useless now."  If you want to help ensure that your genetic material survives another day, you sure as heck better experience a good dose of "paranoia" as you make your way home down those dark and dangerous urban alleys.  Someone may very well be watching and following you.

Hate and intolerance -- When misdirected, very bad things, yes.  Directed properly, essential to our survival.

I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance.  And hate them with a vengeance.  And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals. 

This is not irrational behavior on my part.

My (and your) life depends on it.


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    #19140231 - 11/15/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance.  And hate them with a vengeance.  And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals. 

This is not irrational behavior on my part.

My (and your) life depends on it.




Really? :lol:  Are you personally protecting me from the boogey man Al-Qaeda?


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    #19140266 - 11/15/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hate isn't necessary to protect yourself from anyone. All other animals seem to have no need of it.


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I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance.  And hate them with a vengeance.  And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals. 

This is not irrational behavior on my part.

My (and your) life depends on it.




Really? :lol:  Are you personally protecting me from the boogey man Al-Qaeda?



The governments that hate Al-Qaeda and are taking precautions against it are preserving your ass, friend.  And governments are people.

I'm a "people." 

Aren't you one too?


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    #19140464 - 11/15/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it is true that hate is more logical then love to be objectively right

in truth every conscious is totally alone the end of its present realizations, while conscious is first the objective realization that truth exist, so the knowledge that else exist and the perception of others being relatively

right mean is for existence to be true so absolutely free in the superior sense

for that instead of love one should hate if it is true, in order to relate itself to existence of facts so else

while it is revealed in truth, that love is oneself always life, so nothing to objective else, it is all for superior self, when self in truth is freedom out of everything else 

and hate is the only right way for self to be related to else existence
whether by being forced of else powers or by willing to force others existence freedom


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    #19140504 - 11/15/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most of you all have Judeo-Christian fever.  In much of the world God is seen as impersonal and without some finite aspect which grants favors. In which case this thread is pretty moot.


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Most of you all have Judeo-Christian fever.  In much of the world God is seen as impersonal and without some finite aspect which grants favors. In which case this thread is pretty moot.



Yes and no.  Every religion has adherents who reject the "God as real thingy" thing and who understand "God" metaphorically.

Your average Buddhist in Asia, I suspect, thinks of Gautama Buddha as a real presence sitting on some kind of celestial throne in some kind of celestial heaven.  They lay flowers and candies at his statues, in hope for his kind favors.

I know there are Buddhists who post here in this forum.  If I'm wrong, I'd very much appreciate their insights into this.

Same with Hindus.  There's a small spiritual "elite" (a terrible phrase, but readers will understand what I'm pointing to) who see the various Hindu deities as metaphorical expressions of mystical origin -- and there are the other followers.

If you really want to see gorgeous floral displays, go visit your average Hindu temple in India. 

Regarding the Jews/Christians/Muslims, same thing.  My mother (an observant Jew) often spoke about God as if he were a real presence sitting on a real throne in a real heaven.  Plenty of Jews think otherwise.  Likewise, plenty of Christians understand "Jesus" as a metaphysical expression of divinity / sanctity / purity / enlightenment / whatever.

All in my opinion.

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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19141239 - 11/15/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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all this beauty said:
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Go ahead.

Name a human bit you would wish away.

I dare ya.



Unnecessary paranoia. Probably useful when we were constantly on the look out for predators, but essentially useless now, and messes up our lives, now that we have basic survival taken care of.

Also, Hate and intolerance.



Paranoia -- Well, I don't know about it being "essentially useless now."  If you want to help ensure that your genetic material survives another day, you sure as heck better experience a good dose of "paranoia" as you make your way home down those dark and dangerous urban alleys.  Someone may very well be watching and following you.

Hate and intolerance -- When misdirected, very bad things, yes.  Directed properly, essential to our survival.

I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance.  And hate them with a vengeance.  And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals. 

This is not irrational behavior on my part.

My (and your) life depends on it.




So you want to get rid of radical fundamentalism? That's a pretty big part of humanity.


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    #19141487 - 11/15/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Most of you all have Judeo-Christian fever.  In much of the world God is seen as impersonal and without some finite aspect which grants favors. In which case this thread is pretty moot.




Yes, the word used is usually 'impassive.' But aside from literal Theists, or Monotheists, there are Process Theologians who attempt to moderate the impassive, self-sufficient Deity, who allegedly creates because of over-abundant love. I never got that. I prefer the notion that the Creator creates out of necessity, because creation defines what a Creator is. It's not a matter of creating out of love but needing a sentient creation to appreciate their own existence, as well as paying homage to the Creator. Kabbalists bring humanity into the creation as co-creators with Deity. I rejected this originally, being influenced by the impassive God of Greek philosophy, but unless we share in some real way "the image and likeness of God," we are totally cut off from that Creator.

Unless we as human beings participate in God, prayer, 'salvation,' synchronicity as the miracles of everyday life, are all meaningless words. But, these things can be experienced, so where do we stand ontologically? Are we Ideas in the Mind of God? If we are, and God's Ideas are Eternal, then we already have Eternal Life. In any event, we are personal, and I cannot conceive of a Creator being Impersonal, which is to say less-than-personal. I prefer the term Transpersonal. The Hindus were astute enough to acknowledge Brahman with attributes (Saguna Brahman) and without attributes (Nirguna Brahman), but for reasons I mentioned, Transpersonal sits better with me than Impersonal. God may be simple in the sense of indivisible, but God is not a simpleton! :lol:


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    #19141512 - 11/15/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Any creator takes leave of their work when it is finished and they no longer own it, nor its meaning.  Take a song by The Stones for instance.  How bout Midnight Rambler, maybe the Stones meant it to be about scoring dope, but maybe 14 year old Clair on the bus through cornfield in Iowa thinks it's about leaving home. 

The creation belongs to the fans, and the creator has nothing to do beyond creating it.  You can plead and shout at the creator that you hate their song but the song is already public domain.  Others can detail their study of aesthetics and how one should properly view the work.  But nobody owns it, except in a personal way through interfacing with it.  Some may interface more intimately and feel an abiding sense of communion that they have fathomed everything about the art. But they are deluded. Nobody owns the work, not even the artist. After it is created.

Fans can debate, worship, masturbate, and many are stalkerish and demand they be worshiped alongside the object as the greatest fan of all.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19141831 - 11/15/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Any creator takes leave of their work when it is finished and they no longer own it, nor its meaning.  Take a song by The Stones for instance.  How bout Midnight Rambler, maybe the Stones meant it to be about scoring dope, but maybe 14 year old Clair on the bus through cornfield in Iowa thinks it's about leaving home. 





They never did own it, but create it they did . . .

Is ownership required over creation?


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    #19142987 - 11/15/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So you want to get rid of radical fundamentalism? That's a pretty big part of humanity.



To my way of thinking, radical religious fundamentalism is a destructive bastardization of the natural spiritual impulse.  In my opinion, it is to spirituality what wanton murder is to the perfectly natural desire to self-defend.

I sometimes act in ways that are contrary to my natural and uncontrived human nature.

For instance, it's not in my uncontrived human nature to harm you intentionally for no good purpose.  Doing so is a grievous error in my judgment.  I can work on that, however.  I can consider other ways to vent my anger and frustrations besides harming you.

Likewise, radical fundamentalist religious thinking -- the current scourge of humanity -- is a grievous error in judgment.

It's 'wrong' for the thinker.  It's wrong for humankind.


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    #19143770 - 11/16/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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They never did own it, but create it they did . . .

Is ownership required over creation?




this is the point, how what matter should be only the truth

what is true should be owned yes but not what is not true, so like creations or realizations that at the end would behave as if it is about them and keep following it

what is true can be left free because what is true by definition is relative to objective truth, but what is created is about oneself only so a certain value from the subjective perspective of who did it that keep meaning it to do nothing else

while realizing something true positively about oneself would generate objective truth to be present a bit, so free wills would have to be through truth a bit, but creations is what generate professions in lies and pretenses of ownerships to an infinite extent as being the right of being

I am not against living means, but I mean that no one should do any living to a mean that he doesn't mean at least relatively out of realizing it, when it is about pleasure and superiority sense of being able to do something that look positive, it is then hundred percent evil, when evil is what is hundred percent against the truth that all know as being the condition of positive value


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    #19155591 - 11/18/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing stopping you from grabbing a Bible, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, Call out to God for this salvation that he offers and gives to us. You too can be the white one :wink:
But, if you open the Bible with a closed heart (not really seeking the truth) then don't be surprised when you find what you're looking for. God isn't playing games here.




I thought so, If I interpret the incredibly vague bible in a different way than you, then I am a black piece.



No,  one is a black chess piece when they are not a true believer.
(please remember that i am using chess as an illustration as to how God works. based on Romans9:22-23)

As to the Bible being "incredibly vague", there is a reason why the Bible is the way it is, and truth can be found in it, but it must be sought (there is a reason for this too)
example: let's say that that magic mushrooms are the truth. now how do you find this truth?

In a spaceship?  (astronomically vague)
in a plane?            (i can see my house from here vague)
in a car?                (was that one? i couldn't say for sure vague)
or on your feet?    (there you clearly are!! it's not vague at all, it's party time!!!!)

It's just like the truth of God contained in his word. It's all his word, but he has a built in security system that gives the reader what they are truly looking for.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow;
it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

So basically, until you are on your feet, the truth will be hard to find. And here's the point, in coming to God with a humble heart, (leave your pride behind please) he will gladly show you the truth. A clenched hand can not receive anything, it first needs to be unclenched :thumbup:

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Someone who sees life in a different light must of course not be truly seeking.  :rolleyes:



No im not saying that (sorry if i came across that way, my writing skills aren't that great), in fact there is no way for me to tell if you have/are/or will truly seek the truth. This is why i don't want to make judgments on people, i leave that to God who can see and knows all things. In the end it's between you and God on how you lived your life and with what motives you did things.


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    #19158740 - 11/19/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And here's the point, in coming to God with a humble heart, (leave your pride behind please) he will gladly show you the truth. A clenched hand can not receive anything, it first needs to be unclenched :thumbup:





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    #19159162 - 11/19/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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No im not saying that (sorry if i came across that way, my writing skills aren't that great), in fact there is no way for me to tell if you have/are/or will truly seek the truth.




Well, it seems to me that is what you are saying.  I do not get my truths from the bible, while it seems you are saying that is the one true path.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19160475 - 11/19/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And here's the point, in coming to God with a humble heart, (leave your pride behind please) he will gladly show you the truth. A clenched hand can not receive anything, it first needs to be unclenched :thumbup:





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Hello Duncan Rowhl :smile:

Thanks :thumbup:

One i have thought about using before is this one:  You know what makes me angry??  People who get angry :grin:


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    #19160703 - 11/19/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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blessed said:
No im not saying that (sorry if i came across that way, my writing skills aren't that great), in fact there is no way for me to tell if you have/are/or will truly seek the truth.




Well, it seems to me that is what you are saying.  I do not get my truths from the bible, while it seems you are saying that is the one true path.



Again sorry about that, text makes it hard to convey what would be obvious in a face to face conversation.  As for what you say about not getting your truths from the Bible, that's cool, you don't have to if you don't want to.  You and i have the right to choose what we believe or don't. all i am saying is that if you look at the Bible for faults, God will allow you to find them, just in the same way that you'd look at a car for scratches, it's the same principle.

Do i believe that the Bible is the only truth?.....yes
do you have to?.....no

The right i have to say "yes", means you have the right to say "no".

I am just saying when looking at the Bible, please don't look at with preconceived thoughts (remember, the word of God knows you better then you know yourself).

But how could a loving God do such a thing?, place a ball(man) on a slope(world) and condemn it(eternal death) for rolling(sin) down it?
If you want me to answer this then let me know, and i will try my best to answer it.


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    #19161727 - 11/19/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Do i believe that the Bible is the only truth?.....yes
do you have to?.....no




Alright, fair enough.  I guess that's all I have to say about this topic then.  :shrug:  Good luck out there.


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    #19165796 - 11/20/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




Answers depend who you ask. Gnostics believe in the existence of two Gods; a creator God (Demiurge) who is seen as everything from incompetent to malevolent, and a higher God who is . . . hard to put into words. The idea being that achieving Gnosis is how we return to divinity. The demiurge is sometimes considered to be "malevolent God" of the old testament. From an Orthodox perspective, the reason why suffering and pain exist is that because of Gods love for us, He gave us a choice - since control is the opposite of love. We chose to turn away from God (the fall of man) and know pain and death. Beyond that, the suffering on earth which seems so unbearable to us is a speck of dust compared to the life of the spirit.

I've gotta say though, I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question or not. As has come up in other threads, there are many theological explanations for this depending on what denomination you believe and if you've already decided that they're wrong, nothing is going to convince you otherwise (i'm not sure if that's what you're even seeking though??). At the end of the day, faith is not an intellectual pursuit but a lived experience. The quote "many are called, but few are chosen" comes to mind.


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    #19166318 - 11/20/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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blessed said:
Do i believe that the Bible is the only truth?.....yes
do you have to?.....no




Alright, fair enough.  I guess that's all I have to say about this topic then.  :shrug:  Good luck out there.



Thankyou Sleepwalker

Also thankyou for your questions too :thumbup:

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    #19211424 - 12/01/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with stromrider.  If God is real and Hell exists, I would believe in God, but I would never worship that sadist.  Eternal punishment for a finite transgression is the most vile concept ever dreamed by human minds...


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    #19211427 - 12/01/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:haha::thumbup:


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    #19211553 - 12/01/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree with stromrider.  If God is real and Hell exists, I would believe in God, but I would never worship that sadist.  Eternal punishment for a finite transgression is the most vile concept ever dreamed by human minds...




What if this life and the reincarnation concept itself within it were to be considered the "hell" and God as a perfect "entity" has no awareness of it?

Almost like you and I being aware of the fact that people dream (or have "nightmares" to keep in the context of hell), but we have no idea of the substance of the dream...

Additionally, with that separation concept considered how would you even begin to understand the God concept and prove that it's "real" if you've already decided that it isn't?


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    #19211579 - 12/01/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One of my main concerns about organized religion is that they all claim to have all the answers and know who or what God is. I find that laughable

People that think they have all the answers are indeed the most lost.

We should all be talking about religion and spirituality with a little less certainty and a little more mystery. Let's face it. No one really knows for sure the answers to the big questions.


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    #19211685 - 12/01/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we belong to evil end realms.. face that too

when good people are tortured and bad people are powerful then we are meant all to garbage .. we don't belong ever to present logics and never will.. as if we don't exist .. that is why all is allowed .. and worse is the winner ..

it is the end of before.. for new base to after .. where all and any that was before wont be after ever ..

this is what is pointed by religions to understand now.. the end according to the monster will.. is god going to rule hell forever ?? no but for a long time yes.. he is too big.. and live by using others.. so the end wont touch him before he has no one else to throw to death instead 

but it is clear that it is the beginning of the end .. worse end of anyone


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    #19211700 - 12/01/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is a month old and I just stuck my thumb up in the middle of a lengthy discussion

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    #19212434 - 12/01/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's all good man. Welcome to the thread. The more the merrier


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    #19212561 - 12/01/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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One of my main concerns about organized religion is that they all claim to have all the answers and know who or what God is. I find that laughable

People that think they have all the answers are indeed the most lost.



Word.

The mystical traditions of all the institutional religions (Islam included, btw (Sufism)) warn against "declarative statements" when it comes to this stuff. 

The Philosophical Daoists were among the earliest to make the point:

"Those who speak do not know.  Those who know do not speak."


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    #19213063 - 12/01/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Philosophical Daoists were among the earliest to make the point:

"Those who speak do not know.  Those who know do not speak."




How did they make that point?


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    #19213082 - 12/01/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You really like to challenge people don't you Duncan.

I like it :grin:


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    #19213179 - 12/01/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:

"Those who speak do not know.  Those who know do not speak."




on the contrary the more you know the more you speak, because the truth is about being a real true individual, so you must be independent and care for yourself realities but also in right relations with everything and everyone else ...

I don't know what you might mean there ..

who doesn't know are obviously the ones that feel wrong about saying anything .. they don't feel right to act independent out of what they see or hear others saying ..

I don't understand how you reach to glorify words .. like also I can prove to you how all jesus words are wrong, and I can even prove that the reverse of what he said is right .. try me I would show you !


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    #19213444 - 12/01/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I can prove to you how all jesus words are wrong, and I can even prove that the reverse of what he said is right .. try me I would show you !




You'd need to begin by proving that Jesus actually said the words before you consider attempting to disprove them...


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    #19213502 - 12/01/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How did they make that point?



Lao Tzu made the point in the Tao Te Ching, generally regarded as the source document for Philosophical Daoism.  (Opinions differ as to whether Lao Tzu actually wrote the book, or whether the book is a composite document that was written over time by one or more other authors.)

After the Christian Bible, the Tao Te Ching is the second-most frequently translated book in the history of humankind.  There are a gazillion translations of the Tao Te Ching, in every language imaginable.  Hundreds of different English translations are available online.

This particular sentence from the Tao Te Ching, as translated and shown above, is widely respected by English-speaking scholars, but there are other takes on it as well -- as a review of the various translations will show. 

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absols said:
"...on the contrary the more you know the more you speak..."



Could be.  In which case, you are right and Lao Tzu was wrong.

Me, I'm going to have another beer now.  :wink:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19213506 - 12/01/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My point was that the philosophy was "said" thus rendering it a paradox. :wink:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19213558 - 12/01/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Duncan Rowhl said:
My point was that the philosophy was "said" thus rendering it a paradox. :wink:



Lol.  Exactly right.  It is a paradox, isn't it.

This is the inherent "angst," if you will, of the mystical experience.

You know it to be ineffable -- unspeakable -- yet you feel compelled to speak it.

Not everyone, though.  There are mystics throughout the ages who have retreated from the world -- into caves and monasteries and temples and the like -- and who did not speak.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.  :wink:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19215587 - 12/02/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I can prove to you how all jesus words are wrong, and I can even prove that the reverse of what he said is right .. try me I would show you !




You'd need to begin by proving that Jesus actually said the words before you consider attempting to disprove them...




no, I mean what everyone is saying waoo to, the bible for instance, those words that people praise as being the proof that jesus is a real god .. as if he couldn't invent such great ways to say things as they are ... when it doesn't say anything on the contrary..

and gods stay hidden because if they show up they loose all arguments ... any one even if a god is only one, so weak relative thing compared to objective reality of different ones fact and value

so whatever one says is never to discuss.. that is why who mean to fool others will always hide behind powers to do so .. abusing the knowledge of powers, and how power is always through negative force, to pretend knowing all the truth and facts realities.. then following their wills is first based on fearing powers able to force them to suffer

that is how any position of power is an ability to hurt.. when it is the base of being in power, it is then everything of it

the other issue of people beliefs, is what it is too hard to be an individual so independent person .. but this is not due to their inferiority at all .. on the contrary the more free will or mean is inferior the more it cant but be independent ..
but the issue of being dependent to everything life and to others present wills, is to what all is conditioned to be for lies.. so truth which cant be perceived but individually is not positive and even clearly negative, then everyone is in need to buy some lies and confuse himself with all, for any positive sense of all, that could be true ...

also, your argument is false.. what one means being negative else, is a right..things are absolutely, that is why your argument is to opposite means, when someone wants to support jesus words being the truth, he would have to prove that jesus existed really first or exist now, before his right to mean supporting it
but if one mean to reject something, saying to oneself how that thing in concept is wrong, is the right to be itself freedom out of everything for sure if he wants .. basically each one is himself right alone out of the same truth

but my argument is a reply to who believe that he exists ... still truth can go there, if the fiction exist then the individual present exist also at least, it is the right of any person then to be right alone, or/and through supporting else rights and refusing to deal with wrong or lies sources

when one exist then anyone is more right..
all the issues are mainly the will to abuse truth knowledge, so to act in position of powers to force others inferiority states as the way to mean being superior certainty forever
as if we must talk about things constantly because we are not conscious realities, while they so gods and jesus can talk out of themselves wills and superior means ...

which explain their ways of saying anything, they never say any word to objective fact, while clearly like in all religions, any word is meaning the person being the truth ..so it is out of knowing truth and willing to abuse its fact by claiming superiority of being over what they can force to be inferiors obviously...





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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19215716 - 12/02/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:
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Duncan Rowhl said:
My point was that the philosophy was "said" thus rendering it a paradox. :wink:



Lol.  Exactly right.  It is a paradox, isn't it.

This is the inherent "angst," if you will, of the mystical experience.

You know it to be ineffable -- unspeakable -- yet you feel compelled to speak it.

Not everyone, though.  There are mystics throughout the ages who have retreated from the world -- into caves and monasteries and temples and the like -- and who did not speak.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.  :wink:




in what way were they are seen being superior to people of the world ??
their retreat don't accomplish anything ...

it is simply from showing being independent .. like not following what others do and not in needs of positive sources to stay conscious ..

so it is about the truth of being an individual, that is why it is not to say..if you speak out yourself you stop being yourself ... you are like destroying your own self value ..

this is also the point of meditation different ways.. to be through your true self ...

which prove my point, all is kind of truth knowledge abuse ... the will to benefit from truth, that is why the mean is to hide and keep the maximum for oneself

while if one can benefit from truth, it starts by him being true, so real with all reality of else beings and whatever is objectively true too

truth cant be a business of any kind... it looks like it because initially all begun from willing to condition true existence known objectively as seen clearly

so all is of that will too being free will, more then true free wills ...

and those conditions powers are still there revealing the evil they are not willing to recognize any responsibility of that absolute evil end


Edited by absols (12/02/13 02:23 AM)


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