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endogenous said: Just as God is the same God (Entheogens) whether They are called Yahweh, or Allah, or the Tree of Knowledge, or Soma -- so Christ is the same Christ whether They are called Christ, or Moses, or the Serpent, or Buddha.
Why do you regard the seprent as being Christ when it symbolizes the ego which is in perfect opposition to the holy spirit?
Christ "opened the eyes of the blind" the same as did the Serpent. This "blindness" was not physical blindness.
Revelations, 3, 17: "You say to yourself, 'I'm rich, I've made a fortune and have everything I want', never realizing that you are wretchedly and pitiably poor -- and blind and naked too."
How could they not realize that they were blind and naked? -- Because it wasn't a physical blindness or nakedness.
Genesis says that when Eve and Adam ate the Fruit, their "eyes were opened" and they saw that they were naked and were ashamed.
The next part of Revelations says: "I warn you, buy from me the gold that has been tested in the fire to make you really rich, and white robes to clothe you and cover your shameful nakedness, and eye ointment to put on your eyes so that you are able to see."
The "eye ointment" was Entheogens, the Tree of Knowledge -- which opened the eyes of the Spiritually blind to their shameful Spiritual nakedness.
Christ was the Serpent, and opening the eyes of the Spiritually blind with God's Flesh, the Tree of Knowledge, (Entheogens) was what God wanted Him to do.
Genesis, 3, 1: "The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and that it was desirable for the knowledge that it could give. So she took some of its fruit and ate it. She gave some also to her husband who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they were naked."
(Christ said): "The Son of Man must be lifted up as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him." -- St. John, 3, 13
-------------------- The Day of the Lord has come like a thief in the night. -- It is there but no one knows it.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
#19139172 - 11/14/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You have very curious interpretations of scripture Endogenous
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
#19139550 - 11/15/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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because he wants to mean that evil is also a value
like snakes are known for their evil means, how to get to poison different livings without meaning to eat them is the snake will life growth alone
this what religions are for, to generalize wrong principles and force them on everyone through some powers that shut off any free right to refuse, especially when it is a negative mean
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all this beauty said: Go ahead.
Name a human bit you would wish away.
I dare ya.
Unnecessary paranoia. Probably useful when we were constantly on the look out for predators, but essentially useless now, and messes up our lives, now that we have basic survival taken care of.
Also, Hate and intolerance.
Paranoia -- Well, I don't know about it being "essentially useless now." If you want to help ensure that your genetic material survives another day, you sure as heck better experience a good dose of "paranoia" as you make your way home down those dark and dangerous urban alleys. Someone may very well be watching and following you.
Hate and intolerance -- When misdirected, very bad things, yes. Directed properly, essential to our survival.
I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance. And hate them with a vengeance. And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals.
This is not irrational behavior on my part.
My (and your) life depends on it.
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I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance. And hate them with a vengeance. And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals.
This is not irrational behavior on my part.
My (and your) life depends on it.
Really? Are you personally protecting me from the boogey man Al-Qaeda?
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Hate isn't necessary to protect yourself from anyone. All other animals seem to have no need of it.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance. And hate them with a vengeance. And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals.
This is not irrational behavior on my part.
My (and your) life depends on it.
Really? Are you personally protecting me from the boogey man Al-Qaeda?
The governments that hate Al-Qaeda and are taking precautions against it are preserving your ass, friend. And governments are people.
I'm a "people."
Aren't you one too?
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it is true that hate is more logical then love to be objectively right
in truth every conscious is totally alone the end of its present realizations, while conscious is first the objective realization that truth exist, so the knowledge that else exist and the perception of others being relatively
right mean is for existence to be true so absolutely free in the superior sense
for that instead of love one should hate if it is true, in order to relate itself to existence of facts so else
while it is revealed in truth, that love is oneself always life, so nothing to objective else, it is all for superior self, when self in truth is freedom out of everything else
and hate is the only right way for self to be related to else existence whether by being forced of else powers or by willing to force others existence freedom
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: absols]
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Most of you all have Judeo-Christian fever. In much of the world God is seen as impersonal and without some finite aspect which grants favors. In which case this thread is pretty moot.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
#19140651 - 11/15/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eve69 said: Most of you all have Judeo-Christian fever. In much of the world God is seen as impersonal and without some finite aspect which grants favors. In which case this thread is pretty moot.
Yes and no. Every religion has adherents who reject the "God as real thingy" thing and who understand "God" metaphorically.
Your average Buddhist in Asia, I suspect, thinks of Gautama Buddha as a real presence sitting on some kind of celestial throne in some kind of celestial heaven. They lay flowers and candies at his statues, in hope for his kind favors.
I know there are Buddhists who post here in this forum. If I'm wrong, I'd very much appreciate their insights into this.
Same with Hindus. There's a small spiritual "elite" (a terrible phrase, but readers will understand what I'm pointing to) who see the various Hindu deities as metaphorical expressions of mystical origin -- and there are the other followers.
If you really want to see gorgeous floral displays, go visit your average Hindu temple in India.
Regarding the Jews/Christians/Muslims, same thing. My mother (an observant Jew) often spoke about God as if he were a real presence sitting on a real throne in a real heaven. Plenty of Jews think otherwise. Likewise, plenty of Christians understand "Jesus" as a metaphysical expression of divinity / sanctity / purity / enlightenment / whatever.
All in my opinion.
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all this beauty said:
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all this beauty said: Go ahead.
Name a human bit you would wish away.
I dare ya.
Unnecessary paranoia. Probably useful when we were constantly on the look out for predators, but essentially useless now, and messes up our lives, now that we have basic survival taken care of.
Also, Hate and intolerance.
Paranoia -- Well, I don't know about it being "essentially useless now." If you want to help ensure that your genetic material survives another day, you sure as heck better experience a good dose of "paranoia" as you make your way home down those dark and dangerous urban alleys. Someone may very well be watching and following you.
Hate and intolerance -- When misdirected, very bad things, yes. Directed properly, essential to our survival.
I need to hate the goals of Al-Qaeda, for instance. And hate them with a vengeance. And I need to have zero tolerance for its followers and their goals.
This is not irrational behavior on my part.
My (and your) life depends on it.
So you want to get rid of radical fundamentalism? That's a pretty big part of humanity.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
#19141487 - 11/15/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eve69 said: Most of you all have Judeo-Christian fever. In much of the world God is seen as impersonal and without some finite aspect which grants favors. In which case this thread is pretty moot.
Yes, the word used is usually 'impassive.' But aside from literal Theists, or Monotheists, there are Process Theologians who attempt to moderate the impassive, self-sufficient Deity, who allegedly creates because of over-abundant love. I never got that. I prefer the notion that the Creator creates out of necessity, because creation defines what a Creator is. It's not a matter of creating out of love but needing a sentient creation to appreciate their own existence, as well as paying homage to the Creator. Kabbalists bring humanity into the creation as co-creators with Deity. I rejected this originally, being influenced by the impassive God of Greek philosophy, but unless we share in some real way "the image and likeness of God," we are totally cut off from that Creator.
Unless we as human beings participate in God, prayer, 'salvation,' synchronicity as the miracles of everyday life, are all meaningless words. But, these things can be experienced, so where do we stand ontologically? Are we Ideas in the Mind of God? If we are, and God's Ideas are Eternal, then we already have Eternal Life. In any event, we are personal, and I cannot conceive of a Creator being Impersonal, which is to say less-than-personal. I prefer the term Transpersonal. The Hindus were astute enough to acknowledge Brahman with attributes (Saguna Brahman) and without attributes (Nirguna Brahman), but for reasons I mentioned, Transpersonal sits better with me than Impersonal. God may be simple in the sense of indivisible, but God is not a simpleton!
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Any creator takes leave of their work when it is finished and they no longer own it, nor its meaning. Take a song by The Stones for instance. How bout Midnight Rambler, maybe the Stones meant it to be about scoring dope, but maybe 14 year old Clair on the bus through cornfield in Iowa thinks it's about leaving home.
The creation belongs to the fans, and the creator has nothing to do beyond creating it. You can plead and shout at the creator that you hate their song but the song is already public domain. Others can detail their study of aesthetics and how one should properly view the work. But nobody owns it, except in a personal way through interfacing with it. Some may interface more intimately and feel an abiding sense of communion that they have fathomed everything about the art. But they are deluded. Nobody owns the work, not even the artist. After it is created.
Fans can debate, worship, masturbate, and many are stalkerish and demand they be worshiped alongside the object as the greatest fan of all.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
#19141831 - 11/15/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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eve69 said: Any creator takes leave of their work when it is finished and they no longer own it, nor its meaning. Take a song by The Stones for instance. How bout Midnight Rambler, maybe the Stones meant it to be about scoring dope, but maybe 14 year old Clair on the bus through cornfield in Iowa thinks it's about leaving home.
They never did own it, but create it they did . . .
Is ownership required over creation?
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White Beard said: So you want to get rid of radical fundamentalism? That's a pretty big part of humanity.
To my way of thinking, radical religious fundamentalism is a destructive bastardization of the natural spiritual impulse. In my opinion, it is to spirituality what wanton murder is to the perfectly natural desire to self-defend.
I sometimes act in ways that are contrary to my natural and uncontrived human nature.
For instance, it's not in my uncontrived human nature to harm you intentionally for no good purpose. Doing so is a grievous error in my judgment. I can work on that, however. I can consider other ways to vent my anger and frustrations besides harming you.
Likewise, radical fundamentalist religious thinking -- the current scourge of humanity -- is a grievous error in judgment.
It's 'wrong' for the thinker. It's wrong for humankind.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: teknix]
#19143770 - 11/16/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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teknix said: They never did own it, but create it they did . . .
Is ownership required over creation?
this is the point, how what matter should be only the truth
what is true should be owned yes but not what is not true, so like creations or realizations that at the end would behave as if it is about them and keep following it
what is true can be left free because what is true by definition is relative to objective truth, but what is created is about oneself only so a certain value from the subjective perspective of who did it that keep meaning it to do nothing else
while realizing something true positively about oneself would generate objective truth to be present a bit, so free wills would have to be through truth a bit, but creations is what generate professions in lies and pretenses of ownerships to an infinite extent as being the right of being
I am not against living means, but I mean that no one should do any living to a mean that he doesn't mean at least relatively out of realizing it, when it is about pleasure and superiority sense of being able to do something that look positive, it is then hundred percent evil, when evil is what is hundred percent against the truth that all know as being the condition of positive value
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There's nothing stopping you from grabbing a Bible, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, Call out to God for this salvation that he offers and gives to us. You too can be the white one  But, if you open the Bible with a closed heart (not really seeking the truth) then don't be surprised when you find what you're looking for. God isn't playing games here.
I thought so, If I interpret the incredibly vague bible in a different way than you, then I am a black piece.
No, one is a black chess piece when they are not a true believer. (please remember that i am using chess as an illustration as to how God works. based on Romans9:22-23)
As to the Bible being "incredibly vague", there is a reason why the Bible is the way it is, and truth can be found in it, but it must be sought (there is a reason for this too) example: let's say that that magic mushrooms are the truth. now how do you find this truth?
In a spaceship? (astronomically vague) in a plane? (i can see my house from here vague) in a car? (was that one? i couldn't say for sure vague) or on your feet? (there you clearly are!! it's not vague at all, it's party time!!!!)
It's just like the truth of God contained in his word. It's all his word, but he has a built in security system that gives the reader what they are truly looking for.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
So basically, until you are on your feet, the truth will be hard to find. And here's the point, in coming to God with a humble heart, (leave your pride behind please) he will gladly show you the truth. A clenched hand can not receive anything, it first needs to be unclenched 
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Sleepwalker said: Someone who sees life in a different light must of course not be truly seeking. 
No im not saying that (sorry if i came across that way, my writing skills aren't that great), in fact there is no way for me to tell if you have/are/or will truly seek the truth. This is why i don't want to make judgments on people, i leave that to God who can see and knows all things. In the end it's between you and God on how you lived your life and with what motives you did things.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
#19158740 - 11/19/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blessed said: And here's the point, in coming to God with a humble heart, (leave your pride behind please) he will gladly show you the truth. A clenched hand can not receive anything, it first needs to be unclenched 
Nearly better than my sig..
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
#19159162 - 11/19/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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blessed said: No im not saying that (sorry if i came across that way, my writing skills aren't that great), in fact there is no way for me to tell if you have/are/or will truly seek the truth.
Well, it seems to me that is what you are saying. I do not get my truths from the bible, while it seems you are saying that is the one true path.
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blessed said: And here's the point, in coming to God with a humble heart, (leave your pride behind please) he will gladly show you the truth. A clenched hand can not receive anything, it first needs to be unclenched 
Nearly better than my sig.. 
Hello Duncan Rowhl 
Thanks 
One i have thought about using before is this one: You know what makes me angry?? People who get angry
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