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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19101928 - 11/07/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I love reading your post Markos! Shroomery S&M is very lucky to have your wisdom and insight


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19102043 - 11/07/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




Why do you attribute these traits to God (who by your own admittance doesn't even exist) rather than yourself? :wink:

There is theory that the world is how it is as a result of everyones projected guilt as a result of separation from the perfect God source that has no intervention in our imperfect world. For "it" to intervene or be aware of the imperfect world would render it imperfect and time and space meaningful which is contrary to it's essence.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19102426 - 11/07/13 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not claiming god does not exist. I'm just saying Idk what god is or isn't and neither does anyone else. Anyone one (including the bible) that claims to know what god is or isn't is ridiculous. I have opinions as to what I think god is but I don't claim certainly and neither should anyone else


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19102559 - 11/07/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know your stance on the matter as we've spoken before.  I'm just introducing the theory that God is a supposed separate entity for the world that we have perhaps created.

In a nutshell, negative things occur because they are symbolic of being separate and at distance from God as opposed to living with him in something "he" created.

The "How could God create this?" question is  common one, but in accordance with the theory, the question isn't "how could he?" rather "how could I?".


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19102580 - 11/07/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I see your point.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Morel Guy]
    #19102862 - 11/07/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder about this.  Seems just having or looking at some shrooms (for example) is not god.  Yet eating them and smoking some fine cannabis, this can be god. 




That's why there's a Communion ceremony in which the substance eaten is called the "Flesh of God". (The Nahua/Aztec word for Psilocybin is "Teonanacatl" -- which means "God's Flesh".)

Because Christ was One with God, (Entheogens), therefore the Eucharist substance, (Entheogens) was His Flesh and Blood. Christ said, "For My Flesh is real food and My Blood is real drink."

You have to eat God/Christ to see God/Christ.

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." -- St. Luke, 17,20


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19120590 - 11/11/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think somehow of g*d as an universal principle, that carried on from the big bang (and 'before'), over our evolution until to the feeling that prevents us to harm ourselves.
---nutshell closed---
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19120885 - 11/11/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That's why there's a Communion ceremony in which the substance eaten is called the "Flesh of God". (The Nahua/Aztec word for Psilocybin is "Teonanacatl" -- which means "God's Flesh".)

Because Christ was One with God, (Entheogens), therefore the Eucharist substance, (Entheogens) was His Flesh and Blood. Christ said, "For My Flesh is real food and My Blood is real drink."

You have to eat God/Christ to see God/Christ.



Very nice.

Physical consumption of "godhood" in order to realize godhood is a very old concept.  The Christians were relative latecomers to the idea.

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I think somehow of g*d as an universal principle, that carried on from the big bang (and 'before'), over our evolution until to the feeling that prevents us to harm ourselves.



So you will not spell out the name "god," will you. :wink:

That's cool.  Perhaps you're spiritually and/or culturally Jewish, which is also cool.

I'm curious, though:  Do you think God has a problem with us speaking his/her name?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19122455 - 11/11/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I love reading your post Markos! Shroomery S&M is very lucky to have your wisdom and insight




I didn't see this earlier. Thank's for the kind words Stromrider.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19125699 - 11/12/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think somehow of g*d as an universal principle, that carried on from the big bang (and 'before'), over our evolution until to the feeling that prevents us to harm ourselves.



So you will not spell out the name "god," will you. :wink:

That's cool.  Perhaps you're spiritually and/or culturally Jewish, which is also cool.

I'm curious, though:  Do you think God has a problem with us speaking his/her name?



No, g*d surely has no problem with that but we have, when addressing g*d. Who want's to address some strange juggernaut ? :sun:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19125727 - 11/12/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.





I guess it depends on what your opinion of what god might be, for certain concepts make more sense than others, some none at all.

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."
- Albert Einstein

a lot of the stuff i hear about in the bible and other organized monotheistic religions makes no sense to me.. ie, not speaking 'his' name or taking no idols or whatever. a more reasonable construct for 'god' would be that which is all-encompassing. infinite... and i see the universe as being infinte, and synonymous with the term 'god'

in this pantheistic sense, god is not a seperate entity... rather it /is/ reality.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19125771 - 11/12/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you attribute these traits to God (who by your own admittance doesn't even exist) rather than yourself? :wink:

There is theory that the world is how it is as a result of everyone projected guilt as a result of separation from the perfect God source that has no intervention in our imperfect world. For "it" to intervene or be aware of the imperfect world would render it imperfect and time and space meaningful which is contrary to it's essence.




theories are not enough existing to be the reason of anything looking alive and physically being present

like i would reply to your mind sentence, if the it is exclusively superior positively free always out right of true existence

then logically there cant be inferior existence and surely more never negative one objectively

what disprove the existence of god, is not only that

it is the impossibility for any true superiority to accept that obvious existence of ours

the basic principle of true superiority is objective superiority always, you cant be out of something superior yourself if that thing is not superior first certainly too though you would be superior sense from the fact that you are alone positive still so free fact, while objects are always related to what is objective from before which is why reality cannot be free


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19125910 - 11/12/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




god doesnt exist because he kills everything to be positive living one
as he wants, so the condition of him being positive is to be free from everything by killing it so totally not existing so he can be constant his positive will

so you see how he is unfortunately all negative things sources as his base of being alive

like what you said is wrong, if god wasnt alive you cant see wrong above right being

beings are like things only objective realities means, so the constancy is what prevail, and negative thing by definition cannot be constant to be then in any form real

because god exist that we the right people are weak and the wrong people are strong, and animals are the strongest kind, gods life is animals life actually even if just through but the constancy must be very close to what they are really positive about

humans are strong only by using guns and bombs, so what they mean to be god condition of living by killing all else rights first, but they are not really gods base since gods are forcing them to mean it while being that else right too so to get killed by meaning it, since any human is the object constant body being first, this is what prove to me that animals are more gods life then humans, they seem to act more smart regarding their real beings constant survival ways


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19131657 - 11/13/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.



Hello Sleepwalker

I'm not one of the good ones. What i am is someone who has accepted that i am a sinner and that i need a savior. My referring to being made a white or black chess piece has more to do with the fact that, God knowing our hearts, he uses this knowledge/fact, for his purposes.  E.g, God wants christians to forgive. For one of God's followers to truly forgive someone, there has to be someone who truly wrongs them. See how God then uses a black piece (that is someone who does not believe) to be used in the life of a white chess piece (believer). By being wronged by the unbeliever, They can demonstrate God's forgiveness to them.

In this a few things can happen

.1. The believer has the ability (in the true sense of the word: forgive) to forgive the unbeliever (obeying God)
.2. The forgiven unbeliever can see this forgiveness from the believer and in seeing it, they see (or start to see) God.
.3. The unbeliever doesn't care for the forgiveness given to them (they only hate the person more). These people show the condition of their heart. They are evil people, and they hate the light (God's light).

Say you're in the carpet cleaning business. You (as God does) know whether a house has carpet or not (our ultimate choice concerning God). Tell me then. Would you, knowing that the house you are about to knock on, has no carpet, knock on the door?  See how in your knowing would mean, you wouldn't knock.  In the same way God, fully knowing our hearts, uses this fact for his purposes (plan of salvation, amongst other things).

p.s God can change a black chess piece to white, but God determines when it happens. And it happens all within his (an almighty belongs here) purpose.

p.p.s There's nothing stopping you from grabbing a Bible, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, Call out to God for this salvation that he offers and gives to us. You too can be the white one :wink:
But, if you open the Bible with a closed heart (not really seeking the truth) then don't be surprised when you find what you're looking for. God isn't playing games here.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19131687 - 11/13/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing stopping you from grabbing a Bible, and with a heart that is truly seeking the truth, Call out to God for this salvation that he offers and gives to us. You too can be the white one :wink:
But, if you open the Bible with a closed heart (not really seeking the truth) then don't be surprised when you find what you're looking for. God isn't playing games here.




I thought so, If I interpret the incredibly vague bible in a different way than you, then I am a black piece.

Someone who sees life in a different light must of course not be truly seeking.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19131707 - 11/13/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The Bible is an absolute joke. I can't believe how many people in this day and time still call it gods word or the inspired word of God. Gimme a break... I need a kit Kat bar


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19131726 - 11/13/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.




If only we could all be so lucky

But in all seriousness I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and perception on this matter blessed



Hello Stromrider, no problem, although i did rush that post and didn't convey all that i meant.

To put it another way, let's say i offer you a plate and i say choose one of the muffins.  You look down at the plate to see only one Muffin. Tell me did you choose which Muffin you wanted, or did you have no choice in reality.  Now if the same scenario happens again and i this time there are two different muffins on the plate, then it can be said that you did have a choice. In this way of thinking, one can choose Good or Bad, if all we could do was good, then there is no choice given, one must be able to choose bad, for them to be able to truly choose good.

As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing. I hope that made some sense.
Btw, please tell me honestly please, why did you make this thread? What motivated you in making a thread called "Almighty God My Ass"


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19131781 - 11/13/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing.




Alright, I'll bite.  What exactly is he doing that requires us to sort ourselves out?  And how do you, a lowly human, presume to understand God's plans?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19131790 - 11/13/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you really must know I was raised in a very Christian house. I was taken to church and Sunday schoolevery week and I was taught all this from a very young age. I was even taught that if I didn't comply with the rules of the Bible that I would face eternal suffering in hell! What a thing to put on a child!

I never really thought enough about my religion or faith to even question it until I was in my late 20s.i just kind of went along with it. I do live in the Bible belt after all. But then something changed. I'm not sure what happened but I started to question my religion and begin to study history and look into myself for answers.

When I say Almighty God my ass I am referring to my hatred for the God of the Holy Bible that I grew up learning about. I feel sorry for people that buy into that nonsense and live their life with the fear of eternal damnnation if they don't  comply to some rules of a 2000 year old fairytale


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19131813 - 11/13/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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blessed said:
As for why God allows the two muffins (good and bad) is so that from the heart of man, we can show him our choice. On the grand scale, he uses this fact for what he is doing.




Alright, I'll bite.  What exactly is he doing that requires us to sort ourselves out?  And how do you, a lowly human, presume to understand God's plans?





Exactly... The Bible is humans trying to understand something they can't possibly comprehend. People are so terrified of loss of self that they make up stories of afterlife to get them through the day. Maybe if they practiced a few heroic doses of the mushroom they could see that loss of self (ego) can be a beautiful thing


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