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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Morel Guy]
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call it the god head.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander] 1
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Icelander said: call it the god head.

That's Priapus. He's kind of a dickhead.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
#19091436 - 11/05/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: So God is jealous and wrathful.
Hello Stromrider
God is jealous of the ones he loves. His jealousy for the ones he loves would then bring out his wrath (punishment) on those that would want to attack one of his own. Just like your love for your partner would make you fight for her safety. This is obviously not the only way jealousy and wrath can be attributed to the God of the Bible, but it's just an example of him being "jealous and wrathful" as you say, and it not being such a bad thing.
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Stromrider said: Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!
If the God of the Bible is real?, then there is Good and Bad. This Good is 100% Good, and the Bad is 100% bad. This being the case then, why? as you ask, would the God of the Bible allow this to happen?
For a purpose.
Now my understanding of the Bible is that God gives each man and woman a choice. It is in this choice that good and bad finds it purpose. A small example is that God is good, and the world is bad (James 4:4). In this way God (good/light) shines in the world (bad/in darkness). You could say that by there being bad (darkness).... God can show his Good-ness(light) Doesn't a light work best in a dark place??. Also good and bad could be looked at like a two gloves. We as humans choose which one we will wear (in our actions). Or another way to look at it is like this. A person is making a decision. one of their choice is bad, one good. just like a intersection with two possible ways to go, we have been given the ability (to choice) to do good (going right at this intersection) or bad (going left at this intersection). Can you then see how a choice by God, would then require the need to obey (good) or disobey (bad). The Bad you speak of is from people that are evil and that as such people, they do bad things. But God will ultimately deal with them...Don't you worry about that 
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Stromrider said: If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.
I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!
Two things, First, you are only looking at things from a worldly viewpoint (the now). The Bible makes is clear that heaven and earth will pass away (Mathew 24:35). God on the other hand is looking and working from the now and after viewpoint. Your concerned with your room on the Titanic and the bad people across the hall from you. God is concerned with what happens when (and after) the titanic sinks. And coincidentally, the good (according to God and his standards) will make it off the sinking boat, the bad, will go down with the ship.
Second, he doesn't want anyone to perish, this is why he sent his son, to pay our debt, the thing is some people don't want their debt payed, in the end God made a way of escape, but they rejected it.
There are three types of people .1. these people believe and accept God's gift of salvation, (they also accept that God made them, therefore ultimately they are God servants) .2. these people don't believe in God, but the time is coming where God will show himself to these people. The will then believe and become like .1. .3. these people don't believe in God, but the time is coming where God will show himself to these people. The will still not believe and, and they will hate and reject God and his children and have pride in their hearts (just like the god they would rather serve (satan)). God knowing these people hearts, he then made them as evil unbelievers. he made them as they are (and chose to be)
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Stromrider said: Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!
So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!
Think of it this way, God knows your choice and whether you will ultimately choose him or not, that is, his salvation. So if him knowing that you will never will follow him, he then makes you as a black chess piece. Those he knows will choose him and follow, he has made a white chess piece.
It is in this game of chess;
That God;
Has people choose or reject him (free will) Has people that reject him and serves the god of this world (think of satan as the driver of the titanic) Shows his Goodness (light) in a dark world That he find,rescues, and saves the lost That he heals our wounds (that sin causes) That he punishes (now and later) his enemies That he sets the captives free That he forgives repentant sinners
That we;
Accept or reject his gift of salvation Get to show God our level of obedience (this will be rewarded later on) That as his people, he uses us to reach the lost That as his enemies, he uses these people to strengthen and be in the lives his people for good (Romans 9:22-23)
So, i say that God is Almighty, and i haven't even touched on his powerfulness, and wisdom, and so on. Look at the beauty and wonder of the universe, the majestic-ness of the animals he made, e.g the Eagle, the Lion (and so many many more!!!), the creatures in the sea, the joy's of life (love, joy, things that you love), and so on and so on and so on and so on.
One day bad will be no more, it it required right now for God to work his purposes (his plan of salvation) and for us to choose or reject him (with eternal consequences). (chose wisely then!!!)
Almighty my a##?, you got that right !!!!!! He is ALL-MIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed] 1
#19091456 - 11/05/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.
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Sleepwalker said: How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.
If only we could all be so lucky
But in all seriousness I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and perception on this matter blessed
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Endogenous said: Thank you for your concern, however, those who have found the only true God, Entheogens, who are protected by Holy Reason and the Divine Mind, do not have to fear breakdown. On the contrary, it is those who do not have this who are in danger.
You obviously do not understand the notation 'God.' Entheogens are material aids, sacraments even, but not God, and it is a meaningless statement. As for your being protected, you remind me of the Haitian janitor I saw in a Home Depot once, right before a hurricane. He must have been helping someone else, because he wasn't going to batten down.
Well, I think it is you who needs to batten down and is counting on whatever whatever you believe in, to protect you-- and it isn't. But who can offer you any advice?
The Hindus have a God that is a plant. And that Plant is called Soma. The Vedas call Soma "the Creator of the gods."
But, you think that "Entheogens are material aids, sacraments even, but not God, and it is a meaningless statement." So, according to you, the authors of the Vedas were wrong -- Soma wasn't a God -- or the Creator of the gods -- and the Vedas are simply a collection of meaningless statements.
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God was going to protect him out of everyone else. Uh huh. There is 'assurance' about metaphysical verities, like being 'justified' or 'sanctified.' It is a form of 'grace.'
God, Entheogens, protects people by giving them awareness of the dangers that exist and showing them the way out. Believe me, being very aware of the violent, unconscious, and unscrupulous condition of the world, I am as "battened down" as possible. I certainly don't rule out the possibility of very unpleasant attacks from the powers of darkness , however, I have always managed to come through them and ended up in better shape than I started. So I have hope and faith.
As King David wrote: "Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord saves them out of them all." -- Psalm 34, 19
That doesn't mean that God prevented afflictions. And it also doesn't mean that God said "Abracadabra" and the afflictions suddenly disappeared.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
#19093326 - 11/05/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Endogenous I take it you're like a shamanic pantheist?
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Sleepwalker said: How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.
 
That belief in gods chosen people is really dumb. I can't believe anyone still believes that nonsense but they do.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
#19095121 - 11/06/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, well, someone other than me is more than a tad confused and doesn't seem to know if he is a Vedantist (or an Avestan for that matter) or a 'Bibilcist.' The churning of the Milky Ocean in Amrita using Mt. Mandar on the back of Vishnu as the Great Tortoise avatar, and the Serpent King as the churning string is Hindu mythology. The use of Soma in the Rig Veda by clergy, paralleled the myths, much like today's Christians repeat the Passover Last Supper with the Eucharist. The Soma was ostensibly psychoactive, and retained a numinosity, just as the Eucharist in Catholic tradition is seen as transubstantiated Body and Blood of Christ. So in parallel veins, both traditions consume the god. But your language conflates these traditions, as well as misunderstands the meaning of a sacrament in your response.
As for, Well, I think it is you who needs to batten down and is counting on whatever whatever you believe in, to protect you-- and it isn't. WTF is this? Really? It's difficult to take the writer of this seriously.
But who can offer you any advice? I'm gonna cut-n-paste from my esotericonline.com page to answer this question. Some of the authors of these books are currently alive, many are not:
Books by Herman Hesse, Philip K. Dick, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Aldous Huxley. But, I'm not a big reader of fiction. Instructive guides for my spiritual journey have been important: BE HERE NOW, R.M. Bucke's Cosmic Consciousness, Plotinus' The Enneads, Iamblichus' On the Mysteries, Writings by Pseudo-Dionysus, Paul Tillich's The Eternal Now, Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now, The Nag Hammadi library, The Bible, The Ante-Nicean Fathers, The Collected Works of Plato, Upanishads, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Tao Te Ching, Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism, Autobiography of a Yogi, The Collected Works of C.G. Jung. Books by: William James, Marie Louise von Franz, Jean Shinoda Bolen, Edward Edinger, James Hillman, Richard Noll, Ken Wilber, Alan Watts, R.D. Laing, Ram Dass, John C. Lilly, Stanislav Grof, Terrence McKenna, Victor Frankl, Abraham Maslow, Soren Kierkegaard, John Shelby Spong, Freke & Gandy, Hans Jonas, Elaine Pagels, Joseph Campbell, Lama Anagarika Govinda, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Gopi Krishna, Eliphas Levi, Aleister Crowley, Richard Cavendish, Gershom Scholem, Will Parfitt, Paracelsus, Mark Stavish, Manfred Junius, R.A. Bartlett, D.W. Hauck, D.M. Murdock.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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Stromrider said: Endogenous I take it you're like a shamanic pantheist?
Who wasn't?
God standeth in the congregation of the mighty and judgeth among the gods. -- Psalm 82, 1
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ? -- St. John, 10, 33
Speak the Truth; do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked, even though it be a little; by these three steps you will come near the Gods.. --Dhamapeda
In fact, the Hebrew word for "God" is "Elohim" which is plural and means "Gods". The Bible actually translates: "In the beginning, the Gods created the Heaven and the earth."
The "Saints" were the "Gods" who were created by "the Father" (Soma, Entheogens). And more -- those who rebelled were also called 'gods" as in the last part of Psalm 82: "I have said, 'Ye art gods and all of you are children of the Most High. But you shall die like mortals, and fall as one of the princes." This also explains why the "Lord God", of the Garden of Eden, was called a "God".
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
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Sleepwalker said: How great for you that he made you one of the good ones.
 
That belief in gods chosen people is really dumb. I can't believe anyone still believes that nonsense but they do. 
"The human is hidden inwardness in absolute passion; here again is the implication that everyone else must be equally able to approach God, because the person who in absolute inwardness wants to be conscious of being a chosen one eo ipso lacks inwardness, since his life is comparative. ... In the religiousness of hidden inwardness, a person does not consider himself better than anyone else, does not consider himself distinguished by the relationship with God in a way that is not possible for everyone." - Soren Kierkegaard in Concluding Unscientific Postscript to Philosophical Fragments, Hong, pp. 496–497, 501–505, 510, 538–539, 556
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
#19096316 - 11/06/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really can't tell a difference between god and god head. I have no care for a christian god. I do however enjoy thinking like my idea of god. A powerful and terrifying understanding of everything, with no lack of love for fear.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: I really can't tell a difference between god and god head. I have no care for a christian god. I do however enjoy thinking like my idea of god. A powerful and terrifying understanding of everything, with no lack of love for fear.
Of course, there is no such thing as a "christian god," it is a matter of which Christians have formulated conceptions about God, or the Godhead. The former usually refers to the theistic deity, replete with attributes like jealous, wrathful, loving, etc. The Father is supposed to be the Hebrew YHWH (Yahweh), which is very much like the Greek Zeus or Latin Deus. The Godhead often refers to deity beyond attributes, and beyond the trinitarian God. The Christian Neoplatonist Pseudo-Dionysus used the term "Superessential Godhead" which was a Unity beyond comprehension and description. These categories have parallels in Judaism and Hinduism, and are not unique to Christianity. You might consider looking at Rudolph Otto's term: Mysterium Tremendum et Fascinans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Otto
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What if God is actually.............
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UUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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God isnt an old man up in the sky... that is a manifestation... it is what moses would think God was when he was tripping. God is a force, an energy... we are all energy.. all is energy.. we all percieve differently.. some see God as a gearded man in the sky, some a little dwarf, or maybe a tree in the forest. In the end.. God is an energy, the one which is pure light, I would guess... People have different visions, and such they argue if God is has red or green toenails...
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icyus]
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Icyus said: God isnt an old man up in the sky... that is a manifestation... it is what moses would think God was when he was tripping. God is a force, an energy... we are all energy.. all is energy.. we all percieve differently.. some see God as a gearded man in the sky, some a little dwarf, or maybe a tree in the forest. In the end.. God is an energy, the one which is pure light, I would guess... People have different visions, and such they argue if God is has red or green toenails...
I get amused when I hear people claim to know what God is.. You don't know that God is energy anymore than someone else knowing God is a bearded man. Quit pretending to have the answers because none of us do. The mystery is the most exciting part
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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When the energy that is also a mystery becomes the bearded man then you have something!
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FishOilTheKid said: When the energy that is also a mystery becomes the bearded man then you have something!
That's right
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: circastes]
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circastes said: What if God is actually.............
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UUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOW DOW DOWWWW
Yeah, well, I sort of entertain the idea that whatever God is, It becomes conscious through the instrumentation of our nervous system. The more highly tuned humans become instruments of God's Self-Realization, more-or-less untainted by identification with the human instrument. God is also the primal creative agency of space-time, and co-exists with space-time, yet is ontologically different from space-time in that God is eternal and space-time is not. This is why I'm a Panentheist, not a Pantheist. God is not the sum total of all things, but is a matrix that suffuses all of space-time, an eternal 'field-effect' from which space-time has been created or emanated. So inasmuch as self-conscious awareness can be isolated from its identification with our mind-body, and God becomes self-aware in us, then, you are correct - God is us.
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