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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19073497 - 11/02/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Many people would need to allow similar words to the OP to affect them before they could open themselves to seriously contemplate anything that you write here. I still have to run these basic deconstructions far too regularly. I still associate with my family and keep hearing their fundamentalist rantings.


Perhaps I'm fortunate that I've become old in that I've outlived the older generation who I was supposed to answer to. I rebelled at an early age against the cultural programming that told me who I was. I disregarded it and struck out on my own to discover who and what I was, what it meant to be a naked human being underneath the socio-biological and cultural levels.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19073511 - 11/02/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why is faith good? Why is believing something without proof good?




I think that real faith is different than what most people think faith is. To most people, faith means blind belief without there being any reason to believe.

My understanding of "faith" is more along the lines of that when you've seen God, beyond physical life and death, and you've seen Satan, beyond physical life and death, that there is a kind of "faithfulness" that can grow and cause you to not want to give in when worldly (satanic) pressures try to force you into corruption.




Lighten up. Your dualistic thinking is only to result in you thinking of yourself as a centauric being, and denigrating the animal from the belly down while elevating the angel from the heart up. Continue in this line and will no doubt experience a serious breakdown in the not-too-distant future. It is you who are vilifying simply animal proclivities of sexual and social behaviors which are merely mammalian characteristics. The "glamour of Satan" is just all this media-hyped celebrity worship with the social-sexual obsessiveness of the multitudes, who are living merely mammalian lives. Let it go and learn to integrate your own animal and angelic natures into an integrated whole. Wholeness is the etymological basis for the word holiness..


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19073643 - 11/02/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well said Markos


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19073810 - 11/02/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in the god head, but not any religions god.  Maybe the universe has god like qualities and death has heaven and hellish qualities.  But, I don't believe in places or things when the after life is concerned.  Seems dream worlds can have those things, but are they real?  Probably not, they are as real as thoughts, which can be so powerful in certain mind states.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19074648 - 11/02/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lighten up. Your dualistic thinking is only to result in you thinking of yourself as a centauric being, and denigrating the animal from the belly down while elevating the angel from the heart up.




I don't consider the "animal" to represent "from the belly down". To me, the "animal" is the lack of Reason and Divine MInd. Reason and Mind can rule over the whole body and They don't eliminate the lower parts of the body.

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Continue in this line and will no doubt experience a serious breakdown in the not-too-distant future.



Thank you for your concern, however, those who have found the only true God, Entheogens, who are protected by Holy Reason and the Divine Mind, do not have to fear breakdown. On the contrary, it is those who do not have this who are in danger.

In Sion, sinful people are terrified, the impious are seized with shuddering, crying, ‘Oh who can live with such a devouring Fire? Who can live on with such a lasting Flame?’ – Those who scorn to profit by oppression, whose who will not clutch at any bribe, those who listen to no plans of murder, those who will not look at crime, -- those who live uprightly, just in word and deed – they shall dwell far out of reach of harm, as on a stronghold of a cliff, secure - their bread provided, their water sure. --  Isaiah, 33,14



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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19074813 - 11/02/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well said Markos




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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19074895 - 11/02/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Lighten up. Your dualistic thinking is only to result in you thinking of yourself as a centauric being, and denigrating the animal from the belly down while elevating the angel from the heart up.




I don't consider the "animal" to represent "from the belly down". To me, the "animal" is the lack of Reason and Divine MInd. Reason and Mind can rule over the whole body and They don't eliminate the lower parts of the body.




Some models, especially the mythic ones that derive immediately from the collective unconscious, are more efficacious for guiding us than any rational intellectual explanations. I am a reasonable man but I also realize that the mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master. Reason is a linear, logical explication of understanding that sometimes appears in a flash of insight. I have followed logical courses of discipline for many years at a time that I thought were a logical conclusion of certain insights. There was no joy in it. It may have prevented me from getting lost in more stupidities than many of my peers, but after the novelty of a disciplined life wore off, it simply degenerated in joyless strife. Whenever I read  capitalization the word Reason, I immediately get the impression of a control freak, not merely a self-disciplined person. I sense repression and fear of the irrational unconscious, because I have been in that place for quite some time as a young man. Here I see Reason right next to Divine Mind, as if these are somehow on a par, ontologically equivalent. They may both hold equal subjective regard (I don't know the poster personally), but reason doesn't have the same elevated Thomistic appeal to me. Correct me if I'm misinterpreting. Reason certainly cannot apprehend transcendental levels of awareness.

But further, the "Divine Mind," the Logos, is transrational, non-rational but not irrational. Transrational is a transcendental reason that operates beyond human reason, just as the undiscovered macro laws of the universe do. I mean, physics cannot account for why the expanding universe is speeding up, for example. That doesn't make sense to the physics that governs unimaginable expanses of space, yet does not govern the whole. The Divine Mind is not known by reason. It makes its presence known through intuition, gnosis, or whatever one denotes as transcendental wisdom. It does not often find a home in minds that are strung too tightly with reason. Living too much in reason usually means a bias that doesn't allow for a balance between Thinking, Feeling, Intuition, and Sensing. I tried to live a life angelic once upon a time. I began to see the demonic in everything but my fanciful expectations for myself.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19074969 - 11/02/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Reason", with a capital "R" is different than the reason of the world - just as true Wisdom is different than the "wisdom" of the world (and God is different than the god of the world.)

True Reason leads to the recognition of the true God (Entheogens) -- and the Mind of God is the "Divine" Mind.

A person without this can certainly become bogged down in the joyless chains of worldly "reason".

Since you have been brought to true Life with Christ, you must look for the things that are in heaven, where Christ is, sitting at God's right hand.  Let your thoughts be on heavenly things, not on the things that are on earth,  because you have died, and now the life you have is hidden with Christ in God. -- Colossians, 3, 1 (St. Paul)


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19075047 - 11/02/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the true God (Entheogens)




I know this is kinda why we are all here, but isn't there more to life...?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19075076 - 11/02/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the true God (Entheogens)




I know this is kinda why we are all here, but isn't there more to life...?




Yes... Jesus people. Drugs give your gerbil brains a temporary human understanding and breaks down gerbil social programming and gerbil perspective, but you have to spend some damn time as an integrating gerbil to get up to rat status.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19075179 - 11/02/13 01:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I edited my post for clarity's sake. I understand what the Divine Mind denotes, but that is all we can do with such a reference. I do not believe that Paul had an accurate grasp of the teachings of Jesus. He was clearly wrong about the imminent end of time, and what's more, his understanding of the end of days was taken in a historical sense, not in a mystical sense. The entire inner change was projected onto history using mythic imagery gleaned from Jewish apocalyptic writers. Advice not to marry and be concerned for worldly endeavors was all because Paul was mentally poised on the edge of a radical cosmic event that was to descend from 'on high.' He was a victim to the mentality of both mythic thought and the intolerable conditions of a Roman occupied world in which he lived and died.

I prefer many of the mystic's interpretations of what Jesus was alleged to impart, NOT the mainstream theology of Christianity that has its basis in genuine Pauline letters and pseudo-Pauline forgeries. The contemporary mystic Eckhart Tolle (who took his first name from the great medieval mystic Meister Eckhart), has given an unsurpassed description of the kingdom of Heaven/God that leaves Pauline Christianity in the darkness of misinterpreted mythos and midrash. Instead of understanding these writings as midrash, that utilizes even older Hebrew mythic imagery, people still attempt to take the writings literally. This is why there has been little to no real spiritual development among Christians that I have met over the 60 years of my life. Denominational bigotry within Christendom, religious bigotry toward other faiths, suppression, repression, neurosis, sexual dysfunction, religious and religion-based political fanaticism is what I see in my life, and history shows me the pogroms, persecutions, crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, anti-Semitism against Jews and Muslims alike. The organized churches are NOT 'the mystical body of Christ.' Neither is the KKK a White Christian fraternal brotherhood, and a cross-lighting an act of love. The forms of Christianity are a dead husk, Christ is not Present where 'three are gathered in his name.' It's simply not true - intended and hoped for, but one is deluded if that's what one perceives. The Logos panthentheistically suffuses all of space-time, it is not "superabundantly" present in books, scrolls, bread or wine IMO.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19075199 - 11/02/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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the true God (Entheogens)




I know this is kinda why we are all here, but isn't there more to life...?




Since when did the knowledge and belief that Entheogens are the true God become a part of practically anyone's life?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19077142 - 11/02/13 09:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19078772 - 11/03/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

True Reason leads to the recognition of the true God (Entheogens)

NO NO!  My god is the real one. :monkeydance:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
    #19079691 - 11/03/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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True Reason leads to the recognition of the true God (Entheogens)

NO NO!  My god is the real one. :monkeydance:




What are you....


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: endogenous]
    #19079819 - 11/03/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for your concern, however, those who have found the only true God, Entheogens, who are protected by Holy Reason and the Divine Mind, do not have to fear breakdown. On the contrary, it is those who do not have this who are in danger.

You obviously do not understand the notation 'God.' Entheogens are material aids, sacraments even, but not God, and it is a meaningless statement. As for your being protected, you remind me of the Haitian janitor I saw in a Home Depot once, right before a hurricane. He must have been helping someone else, because he wasn't going to batten down. God was going to protect him out of everyone else. Uh huh. :rolleyes: There is 'assurance' about metaphysical verities, like being 'justified' or 'sanctified.' It is a form of 'grace.' And then there is delusional thinking  - certitude about possible psychophysical illness not happening.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19080183 - 11/03/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Damn Markos your on fire lately! I like it! :awesomenod:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19080588 - 11/03/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder about this.  Seems just having or looking at some shrooms (for example) is not god.  Yet eating them and smoking some fine cannabis, this can be god.  Your not more likley to find god in church, or even on a mountain top......without these tools.

I think these drugs open up our mind to imagine what god's thoughts may exist as.  I found it was like self hypnosis, visual aids, a toy of non-existance which everything exists.  How can things exist and not exist?  Simple, nothing lasts for ever, that's the non-existance.  What does exist is so small in the grand scheme that imagining great tools of seeing how nothing really is....nothing will be and it's always that way.

Gotta clear the mind sometimes.  See how problems don't exist and not be overcome by what is so small in the big picture.

When you were a kid and someone gives you a phone and says it's so and so.  You pick up that phone as it is that person.  Shrooms are like phones, for the spirit world....but not so much for just looking at.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Morel Guy]
    #19081911 - 11/03/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder about this.  Seems just having or looking at some shrooms (for example) is not god.  Yet eating them and smoking some fine cannabis, this can be god.





This just seems like sloppy language to me.  Why use the word "god" for a certain state of mind?  The word is already confused and contested enough to be meaningless.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19084319 - 11/04/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry, call it the god head.  The inner being of higher inspiration.


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