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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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MarkostheGnostic - you're in the tiniest hairsbreadth tip of the pinky of reasonable people. Most people are as dumb as dirt, and as full of shit as homosexual bulls. One person in a thousand care whether they are even correct, in between the lying sneakiness they live and breathe.
Of course people don't know just about anything. Especially about Jehovah about the tetragrammaton, or even about what their spouses are thinking about during sex (not them). The fact of the matter is more people are being born to more stupid people and the world is already drowning because of it.
Proving The Almighty God is really a sack of fleas and has little to do with any sort of reality.
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BTW almighty god this ass
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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Stromrider said: Thank you for that insight Markos
Glad it was well-received. Let's not throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, he's full of potential, like the tiny seed of a mighty mustard tree. You'll want to plant the seeds of truth-telling and compassion as soon as they're able to be understood even a little. The normal trend in moral development requires a lot of help from truly moral people, or else it attains only to a conventional level, or remains at the pre-conventional level of a pre-moral child (God forbid).
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
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eve69 said: MarkostheGnostic - you're in the tiniest hairsbreadth tip of the pinky of reasonable people. Most people are as dumb as dirt, and as full of shit as homosexual bulls. One person in a thousand care whether they are even correct, in between the lying sneakiness they live and breathe.
Of course people don't know just about anything. Especially about Jehovah about the tetragrammaton, or even about what their spouses are thinking about during sex (not them). The fact of the matter is more people are being born to more stupid people and the world is already drowning because of it.
Proving The Almighty God is really a sack of fleas and has little to do with any sort of reality.
I'll take that as a complement eve69.
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eve69 said: MarkostheGnostic - you're in the tiniest hairsbreadth tip of the pinky of reasonable people. Most people are as dumb as dirt, and as full of shit as homosexual bulls. One person in a thousand care whether they are even correct, in between the lying sneakiness they live and breathe.
Of course people don't know just about anything. Especially about Jehovah about the tetragrammaton, or even about what their spouses are thinking about during sex (not them). The fact of the matter is more people are being born to more stupid people and the world is already drowning because of it.
Proving The Almighty God is really a sack of fleas and has little to do with any sort of reality.
I'll take that as a complement eve69. 
I'm not sure how to take it
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Stromrider said: Thank you for that insight Markos
Glad it was well-received. Let's not throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, he's full of potential, like the tiny seed of a mighty mustard tree. You'll want to plant the seeds of truth-telling and compassion as soon as they're able to be understood even a little. The normal trend in moral development requires a lot of help from truly moral people, or else it attains only to a conventional level, or remains at the pre-conventional level of a pre-moral child (God forbid).
I was raised in a Lutheran Church right here in the heart of the Bible belt. I am 30 years old and honestly never questioned my faith until a couple years ago. Now I struggle with it immensely. I guess you could say I'm pretty lost.
I just really have a problem with the organized religion of our society. It's so corrupt on so many levels. I also have a problem with preachers of organized not being completely honest with their congregatio. They tell them what they want to hear. Most of them has studied theology in depth yet still hold up the Bible and call it gods word when I know that they know better. There is so much more to the story than what they tell.
I wish I was better at conveying my thoughts and feeling into words so that you all could better understand how I feel but unfortunately that is not one of my God given talents
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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Listening to Slayer seems to help with my problems with God. Yep sure does.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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Stromrider said: Thank you for that insight Markos
Glad it was well-received. Let's not throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, he's full of potential, like the tiny seed of a mighty mustard tree. You'll want to plant the seeds of truth-telling and compassion as soon as they're able to be understood even a little. The normal trend in moral development requires a lot of help from truly moral people, or else it attains only to a conventional level, or remains at the pre-conventional level of a pre-moral child (God forbid).
I was raised in a Lutheran Church right here in the heart of the Bible belt. I am 30 years old and honestly never questioned my faith until a couple years ago. Now I struggle with it immensely. I guess you could say I'm pretty lost.
I just really have a problem with the organized religion of our society. It's so corrupt on so many levels. I also have a problem with preachers of organized not being completely honest with their congregatio. They tell them what they want to hear. Most of them has studied theology in depth yet still hold up the Bible and call it gods word when I know that they know better. There is so much more to the story than what they tell.
I wish I was better at conveying my thoughts and feeling into words so that you all could better understand how I feel but unfortunately that is not one of my God given talents 
Its more than likely the fact that you surround yourself with non-believers that you are questioning your faith so deeply. I agree with you on that, it is hard to keep sincere faith living in such an ungodly society which is full of unbelievers. Being on this site probably does't help too much either because its full of people who reject religion; this is the problem as well, being around atheists you will start to be influenced by them.
You have been given a choice; you can choose to not believe God, Jesus, or you can believe yourself. I think that also its our approach to religion that causes us to see it in such a twisted way and to reject it, its not just the people in the Christianity that cause us to see it as wrong. Being overly judgmental and focusing on the negative causes us to see it that way. I agree that there are a lot of false Christians out there who merely "peddle" the Bible and treat it as a man-made religion.
Not like we have to take everything so seriously tho, God is not that way. The problem is we leave the mystery out of our Christianity and this is a bad thing. Whenever we overly rationalize anything we tend to miss the mark.
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And yet surrounding yourself with believers is the way to the truth, right?
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Even if i don't over-rationalise, i still don't want to be christian. I'm not saying there arent great pieces of myth and moral lessons in the bible, but i see no reason to folllow the religion or actually believe in it.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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It's not about picking and choosing from the Bible, as people are so often accused of. It is about distilling it, in an alchemical metaphor, and allowing the volatile, rarified essence to 'Fly Over' into the receiving vessel of the Heart, while leaving behind the 'Phlegm,' the unwanted, toxic, coarse 'First Matter' which needs to be dried and burned in a crucible. Not until all the heinous atrocities of the Bible are understood to need incineration, mixture with pure water, filtration and evaporation, does one have a Salt ("of the Earth") that can be recombined with the distilled essence, the Sulphur and Mercury to create a medicine for the Spirit. In other words, If one does not know that the Bible taken literally, without proper distillation, crystallization, purification, it remains a crude, poison for man and beast. Spagyric means 'taking apart and recombining.' It is a form of alchemy. The Bible must be taken apart, demythologized, de-literalized, and subjected to mental processes that parallel alchemical processes of purification. Alchemy not performed properly does not transmute its raw ingredients from a poison to a medicine. The same with the Bible. Look at the example of a particularly toxic reader of the Bible, that White Fraternal 'Christian' Brotherhood known as the KKK. So unrefined and poisonous is the Bible's effect on them, that the essence, Love, fails to end up in the final result. The poison of hate is what is imbibed. The same kind of failed process happens in varying degrees with biblical literalists. They also retain prejudices and hatreds because they have not distilled off the essence, but take the crudest material understanding of the sayings.
Did you ever read this? Dr. Laura herself might be a fraud, according to Snopes, but this is humorous anyway.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan. Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp#wgvvGGkwB1Kq4LXT.99
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
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Stromrider said: So God is jealous and wrathful.
A perfect being?
I think not!
Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!
God is Entheogens.
Now you know why there are problems - and what the problems really are.
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Afraid not. God is a shorthand word for volumes of concepts on Ultimate Reality, not a substance, howsoever sacramental, that may trigger an awareness of that Reality.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Afraid not. God is a shorthand word for volumes of concepts on Ultimate Reality, not a substance, howsoever sacramental, that may trigger an awareness of that Reality.
Qur'an, Surah III, 55: (and remember) when Allah said: 'O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.'
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MarkostheGnostic said: It's not about picking and choosing from the Bible, as people are so often accused of. It is about distilling it, in an alchemical metaphor, and allowing the volatile, rarified essence to 'Fly Over' into the receiving vessel of the Heart, while leaving behind the 'Phlegm,' the unwanted, toxic, coarse 'First Matter' which needs to be dried and burned in a crucible. Not until all the heinous atrocities of the Bible are understood to need incineration, mixture with pure water, filtration and evaporation, does one have a Salt ("of the Earth") that can be recombined with the distilled essence, the Sulphur and Mercury to create a medicine for the Spirit. In other words, If one does not know that the Bible taken literally, without proper distillation, crystallization, purification, it remains a crude, poison for man and beast. Spagyric means 'taking apart and recombining.' It is a form of alchemy. The Bible must be taken apart, demythologized, de-literalized, and subjected to mental processes that parallel alchemical processes of purification. Alchemy not performed properly does not transmute its raw ingredients from a poison to a medicine. The same with the Bible. Look at the example of a particularly toxic reader of the Bible, that White Fraternal 'Christian' Brotherhood known as the KKK. So unrefined and poisonous is the Bible's effect on them, that the essence, Love, fails to end up in the final result. The poison of hate is what is imbibed. The same kind of failed process happens in varying degrees with biblical literalists. They also retain prejudices and hatreds because they have not distilled off the essence, but take the crudest material understanding of the sayings.
This calls to mind another quote of Crowley's from the Equinox: " . . . one must know Truth before one can rely on the Qabalah to show Truth." And "How wonderful is the Qabalah! How great its security[, though disclosed,] from the profane; how splendid its secrets to the initiate", referring essentially to the same thing.
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Mahananda]
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The god of the bible is a god with the little G, the being is indeed our creator god, but is not by any measure the one and almighty GOD. If that God were the almighty god there would be no point in deliberately setting us up for failure. Technically speaking even Jesus failed the test of this so-called god by asking "Why have you fortsaken me?"
The answer is that "For your pride and desire to be a savior, you have put your own will before my will. You will be the messiah in the eyes of men who will idolize you as their God, yet your teachings will save the rest of mankind. For this, you shall descend to hell for a time until I need you to judge the human race on the basis of their idolatry, you shall claim those who worship you, and remove them from the earth."
The test is a clever one, to idolize Jesus will lead to ignoring the teachings in favor of turn-key salvation and being damned, to accept the truth of the teachings of Jesus and acknowledge what really happened to him for his pride is to be saved.
The kicker is we judge ourselves while God watches. Fear each other and die, Love one another and live.
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The worst deception in the bible is the book of Revelations
The sad part is that Lucifer even outs himself... "I am the Alpha and the Omega, I am the MORNING STAR." The Morning Star is the planet Venus. Venus is also known as Lusis, the patron star of LUCIFER!
I guess that's what happens when John decides out of desperation to eat a few bitter mushrooms growing out of the Sh%^ in his prison cell. Yup Revelations is a 2000 year old trip report. Feels bad man... LOL!
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MarkostheGnostic said: You haven't spent nearly enough time evaluating the value of biblical writ. You might first read Jung's Answer to Job, for example. We all need help understanding and interpreting writings that originated from pre-modern mentalities. It is mostly the author called Matthew that speaks of Hell, and that is just one of the four gospels that the creators of the canonical Bible saw as useful to their agenda. There are literally dozens of gospels, with many different theologies. The four that were selected were chosen because they could be used to control the population. These gospels do not contain theologies that acknowledge any theology that lauds any form of self-realization, as the Gospel of Thomas does. Thomas and other Gnostic and pseudo-Gnostic gospels were not only rejected from the canon, they were burned! The church authority needed gospels they could use to make their approval absolutely indispensable to the multitudes, for fear of eternal Hell. Control and tithing to enhance the absolute power of The Church. So your opinion is based on the canon alone, which means you've already bought into whatever Sunday schooling you've had, and are still stuck firmly in that little box. In 1947 the Nag Hammadi library was discovered. Many other versions of Christianity have come to light, but I'm afraid that if you want to understand, you'll have to make an effort to do so. www.gnosis.org
The Tenach (OT) was compiled over hundreds of years, and it illustrates, among other things, the mentality of humankind at various stages of development. The God of the Tenach changed in character as the mentality of the Hebrew people developed across time. The attributes of YHVH are clearly projections of a people who still organized their culture under war-lords. YHWH was originally a Semitic mountain deity that only gradually became expanded to be the Creator of Heaven and Earth - the One God. Look what happened to Pharaoh Akhenaten when he attempted to abolish the Egyptian pantheon of gods to honor the One Solar Disk, the Aten (hence his name Akhenaten). He was ousted from the throne, and possibly from Egypt. Some scholars believe that he was actually Moses, and that's what the Exodus was about. When he left Egypt, his son Tutankaten changed his name to reflect the old creator god, Amen, and called himself Tutankamen - King Tut, highly honored even in death. But I digress. You DO have to have faith, but it has to be what the Buddhists call "Right Faith." A history lesson is necessary for one to place their faith on the right aspect of what is helpful for human development. Clearly, you have not done the research yourself, but are reacting to the paltry material that has been served to you from childhood.
Early codifications of law were important stages of human development even though the penalties for breaking them were often horrific. Only fundamentalist Muslims who want to live under Shariah law want to practice these atrocities today. Orthodox Jews do not stone their unfaithful wives or gay sons and daughters to death any more. You learn to raise your children with the value of truth and compassion, not because it was used two millennia ago to mollify a people who wanted a warrior-king for a savior instead of Jesus, but because these qualities will open the possibility of your offspring to transcend their socio-biological and cultural programming, not to mention the psychodynamic baggage they're going to inherit from you and their mother. Rejecting the Bible is as shortsighted as getting rid of a car because it needs a set of new spark plugs, and maybe some engine rebuilding that is worth the effort. Too many people throw out the Bible and shop for a new religion. I did this and came back to my roots decades later with fresh insights, including the insight that I was looking at it all from an ignorant interpretation, and one that did nothing to transform me.
Many people would need to allow similar words to the OP to affect them before they could open themselves to seriously contemplate anything that you write here. I still have to run these basic deconstructions far too regularly. I still associate with my family and keep hearing their fundamentalist rantings.
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