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Duncan Rowhl said:
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I can prove to you how all jesus words are wrong, and I can even prove that the reverse of what he said is right .. try me I would show you !
You'd need to begin by proving that Jesus actually said the words before you consider attempting to disprove them...
no, I mean what everyone is saying waoo to, the bible for instance, those words that people praise as being the proof that jesus is a real god .. as if he couldn't invent such great ways to say things as they are ... when it doesn't say anything on the contrary..
and gods stay hidden because if they show up they loose all arguments ... any one even if a god is only one, so weak relative thing compared to objective reality of different ones fact and value
so whatever one says is never to discuss.. that is why who mean to fool others will always hide behind powers to do so .. abusing the knowledge of powers, and how power is always through negative force, to pretend knowing all the truth and facts realities.. then following their wills is first based on fearing powers able to force them to suffer
that is how any position of power is an ability to hurt.. when it is the base of being in power, it is then everything of it
the other issue of people beliefs, is what it is too hard to be an individual so independent person .. but this is not due to their inferiority at all .. on the contrary the more free will or mean is inferior the more it cant but be independent .. but the issue of being dependent to everything life and to others present wills, is to what all is conditioned to be for lies.. so truth which cant be perceived but individually is not positive and even clearly negative, then everyone is in need to buy some lies and confuse himself with all, for any positive sense of all, that could be true ...
also, your argument is false.. what one means being negative else, is a right..things are absolutely, that is why your argument is to opposite means, when someone wants to support jesus words being the truth, he would have to prove that jesus existed really first or exist now, before his right to mean supporting it but if one mean to reject something, saying to oneself how that thing in concept is wrong, is the right to be itself freedom out of everything for sure if he wants .. basically each one is himself right alone out of the same truth
but my argument is a reply to who believe that he exists ... still truth can go there, if the fiction exist then the individual present exist also at least, it is the right of any person then to be right alone, or/and through supporting else rights and refusing to deal with wrong or lies sources
when one exist then anyone is more right.. all the issues are mainly the will to abuse truth knowledge, so to act in position of powers to force others inferiority states as the way to mean being superior certainty forever as if we must talk about things constantly because we are not conscious realities, while they so gods and jesus can talk out of themselves wills and superior means ...
which explain their ways of saying anything, they never say any word to objective fact, while clearly like in all religions, any word is meaning the person being the truth ..so it is out of knowing truth and willing to abuse its fact by claiming superiority of being over what they can force to be inferiors obviously...
Edited by absols (12/02/13 01:53 AM)
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all this beauty said:
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Duncan Rowhl said: My point was that the philosophy was "said" thus rendering it a paradox. 
Lol. Exactly right. It is a paradox, isn't it.
This is the inherent "angst," if you will, of the mystical experience.
You know it to be ineffable -- unspeakable -- yet you feel compelled to speak it.
Not everyone, though. There are mystics throughout the ages who have retreated from the world -- into caves and monasteries and temples and the like -- and who did not speak.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. 
in what way were they are seen being superior to people of the world ?? their retreat don't accomplish anything ...
it is simply from showing being independent .. like not following what others do and not in needs of positive sources to stay conscious ..
so it is about the truth of being an individual, that is why it is not to say..if you speak out yourself you stop being yourself ... you are like destroying your own self value ..
this is also the point of meditation different ways.. to be through your true self ...
which prove my point, all is kind of truth knowledge abuse ... the will to benefit from truth, that is why the mean is to hide and keep the maximum for oneself
while if one can benefit from truth, it starts by him being true, so real with all reality of else beings and whatever is objectively true too
truth cant be a business of any kind... it looks like it because initially all begun from willing to condition true existence known objectively as seen clearly
so all is of that will too being free will, more then true free wills ...
and those conditions powers are still there revealing the evil they are not willing to recognize any responsibility of that absolute evil end
Edited by absols (12/02/13 02:23 AM)
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