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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19160703 - 11/19/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
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blessed said:
No im not saying that (sorry if i came across that way, my writing skills aren't that great), in fact there is no way for me to tell if you have/are/or will truly seek the truth.




Well, it seems to me that is what you are saying.  I do not get my truths from the bible, while it seems you are saying that is the one true path.



Again sorry about that, text makes it hard to convey what would be obvious in a face to face conversation.  As for what you say about not getting your truths from the Bible, that's cool, you don't have to if you don't want to.  You and i have the right to choose what we believe or don't. all i am saying is that if you look at the Bible for faults, God will allow you to find them, just in the same way that you'd look at a car for scratches, it's the same principle.

Do i believe that the Bible is the only truth?.....yes
do you have to?.....no

The right i have to say "yes", means you have the right to say "no".

I am just saying when looking at the Bible, please don't look at with preconceived thoughts (remember, the word of God knows you better then you know yourself).

But how could a loving God do such a thing?, place a ball(man) on a slope(world) and condemn it(eternal death) for rolling(sin) down it?
If you want me to answer this then let me know, and i will try my best to answer it.


Edited by blessed (11/20/13 04:31 PM)


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19161727 - 11/19/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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blessed said:
Do i believe that the Bible is the only truth?.....yes
do you have to?.....no




Alright, fair enough.  I guess that's all I have to say about this topic then.  :shrug:  Good luck out there.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19165796 - 11/20/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




Answers depend who you ask. Gnostics believe in the existence of two Gods; a creator God (Demiurge) who is seen as everything from incompetent to malevolent, and a higher God who is . . . hard to put into words. The idea being that achieving Gnosis is how we return to divinity. The demiurge is sometimes considered to be "malevolent God" of the old testament. From an Orthodox perspective, the reason why suffering and pain exist is that because of Gods love for us, He gave us a choice - since control is the opposite of love. We chose to turn away from God (the fall of man) and know pain and death. Beyond that, the suffering on earth which seems so unbearable to us is a speck of dust compared to the life of the spirit.

I've gotta say though, I'm not sure if this is a rhetorical question or not. As has come up in other threads, there are many theological explanations for this depending on what denomination you believe and if you've already decided that they're wrong, nothing is going to convince you otherwise (i'm not sure if that's what you're even seeking though??). At the end of the day, faith is not an intellectual pursuit but a lived experience. The quote "many are called, but few are chosen" comes to mind.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19166318 - 11/20/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
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blessed said:
Do i believe that the Bible is the only truth?.....yes
do you have to?.....no




Alright, fair enough.  I guess that's all I have to say about this topic then.  :shrug:  Good luck out there.



Thankyou Sleepwalker

Also thankyou for your questions too :thumbup:

Hope things are/go well for you :thumbup:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: blessed]
    #19211424 - 12/01/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with stromrider.  If God is real and Hell exists, I would believe in God, but I would never worship that sadist.  Eternal punishment for a finite transgression is the most vile concept ever dreamed by human minds...


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: SizlChest]
    #19211427 - 12/01/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:haha::thumbup:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: SizlChest]
    #19211553 - 12/01/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SizlChest said:
I agree with stromrider.  If God is real and Hell exists, I would believe in God, but I would never worship that sadist.  Eternal punishment for a finite transgression is the most vile concept ever dreamed by human minds...




What if this life and the reincarnation concept itself within it were to be considered the "hell" and God as a perfect "entity" has no awareness of it?

Almost like you and I being aware of the fact that people dream (or have "nightmares" to keep in the context of hell), but we have no idea of the substance of the dream...

Additionally, with that separation concept considered how would you even begin to understand the God concept and prove that it's "real" if you've already decided that it isn't?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19211579 - 12/01/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One of my main concerns about organized religion is that they all claim to have all the answers and know who or what God is. I find that laughable

People that think they have all the answers are indeed the most lost.

We should all be talking about religion and spirituality with a little less certainty and a little more mystery. Let's face it. No one really knows for sure the answers to the big questions.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19211685 - 12/01/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

we belong to evil end realms.. face that too

when good people are tortured and bad people are powerful then we are meant all to garbage .. we don't belong ever to present logics and never will.. as if we don't exist .. that is why all is allowed .. and worse is the winner ..

it is the end of before.. for new base to after .. where all and any that was before wont be after ever ..

this is what is pointed by religions to understand now.. the end according to the monster will.. is god going to rule hell forever ?? no but for a long time yes.. he is too big.. and live by using others.. so the end wont touch him before he has no one else to throw to death instead 

but it is clear that it is the beginning of the end .. worse end of anyone


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19211693 - 12/01/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19211700 - 12/01/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This thread is a month old and I just stuck my thumb up in the middle of a lengthy discussion

Oh well


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19212434 - 12/01/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's all good man. Welcome to the thread. The more the merrier


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19212561 - 12/01/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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One of my main concerns about organized religion is that they all claim to have all the answers and know who or what God is. I find that laughable

People that think they have all the answers are indeed the most lost.



Word.

The mystical traditions of all the institutional religions (Islam included, btw (Sufism)) warn against "declarative statements" when it comes to this stuff. 

The Philosophical Daoists were among the earliest to make the point:

"Those who speak do not know.  Those who know do not speak."


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty] * 1
    #19213063 - 12/01/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The Philosophical Daoists were among the earliest to make the point:

"Those who speak do not know.  Those who know do not speak."




How did they make that point?


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19213082 - 12/01/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You really like to challenge people don't you Duncan.

I like it :grin:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19213179 - 12/01/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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all this beauty said:

"Those who speak do not know.  Those who know do not speak."




on the contrary the more you know the more you speak, because the truth is about being a real true individual, so you must be independent and care for yourself realities but also in right relations with everything and everyone else ...

I don't know what you might mean there ..

who doesn't know are obviously the ones that feel wrong about saying anything .. they don't feel right to act independent out of what they see or hear others saying ..

I don't understand how you reach to glorify words .. like also I can prove to you how all jesus words are wrong, and I can even prove that the reverse of what he said is right .. try me I would show you !


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: absols]
    #19213444 - 12/01/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I can prove to you how all jesus words are wrong, and I can even prove that the reverse of what he said is right .. try me I would show you !




You'd need to begin by proving that Jesus actually said the words before you consider attempting to disprove them...


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19213502 - 12/01/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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How did they make that point?



Lao Tzu made the point in the Tao Te Ching, generally regarded as the source document for Philosophical Daoism.  (Opinions differ as to whether Lao Tzu actually wrote the book, or whether the book is a composite document that was written over time by one or more other authors.)

After the Christian Bible, the Tao Te Ching is the second-most frequently translated book in the history of humankind.  There are a gazillion translations of the Tao Te Ching, in every language imaginable.  Hundreds of different English translations are available online.

This particular sentence from the Tao Te Ching, as translated and shown above, is widely respected by English-speaking scholars, but there are other takes on it as well -- as a review of the various translations will show. 

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absols said:
"...on the contrary the more you know the more you speak..."



Could be.  In which case, you are right and Lao Tzu was wrong.

Me, I'm going to have another beer now.  :wink:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: all this beauty]
    #19213506 - 12/01/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

My point was that the philosophy was "said" thus rendering it a paradox. :wink:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19213558 - 12/01/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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My point was that the philosophy was "said" thus rendering it a paradox. :wink:



Lol.  Exactly right.  It is a paradox, isn't it.

This is the inherent "angst," if you will, of the mystical experience.

You know it to be ineffable -- unspeakable -- yet you feel compelled to speak it.

Not everyone, though.  There are mystics throughout the ages who have retreated from the world -- into caves and monasteries and temples and the like -- and who did not speak.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.  :wink:


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