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Almighty God My Ass!
    #19024168 - 10/24/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19024184 - 10/24/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no god.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #19024221 - 10/24/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Icelander]
    #19024223 - 10/24/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is that the best discussion yall can come up with. You better have something better whenI wake  upor iI'll be really disappointed


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19024282 - 10/24/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ascribing personality to a being outside of time and space is human fallacy. Then further arguing based upon such fallacy never gets more true or rational. It's all fallacy. I prefer masturbation because I do have some experience with the real act.  I can at least jerk off to something with some reality.  When you consider the millions of people who are basically fallacious jerk-offs (priests, etc...) then that's pretty fucking hilarious. (Or immensely sad or just plain stupid).


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19024731 - 10/24/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The bible is just one of the many story books written by men seeking to explain god thru images and parables.
God isn't a guy spirit. God is the universe. Everything that is and isnt, infinitely. Our human brains might judge and ascribe personality traits to this, but that's only natural we would try to ...its the silly way we percieve and try to explain things. Keep it simple.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19024965 - 10/24/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The Bible is so much more than just parables and shit about God. The Bible is a legal guide, a record of the tribes of the bumfuck Middle East during a time when people didn't read or write.  And a source of pride (I have a copy of the Bible - my household is genteel). It was also a way to guive others a short fuck off when they started preaching about Vespa and Ares and the other gods of the day.  To wit - piss off you door to door Venus Witness I am a Christian, see I have a bible.

The part about God is glossed over in Genesis and then doesn't come back in until those stupid books in the New Testament. The Bible shouldn't have been so acclaimed except nobody could read for 1500 years so people took someone else's word for it.  Have you had the Word?  What word? It says right here in big letters "The Word is the Bird."


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19025283 - 10/24/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Everybody knows the bird is the word :cool:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19025423 - 10/24/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

or get yo rap on
with a capon


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: eve69]
    #19025515 - 10/24/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A thinking cap preferably


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19025721 - 10/24/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Stromrider said:
So God is jealous and wrathful.

A perfect being?

I think not!


Here is my issue. If god does not exist then I can accept the way the world is and that bad things happen to good people but if god does exist than what the hell is his problem?!

If there is an all powerful god and the stories of the bible are true (which I highly doubt) than I find god morally repugnant.

I think of it this way. I am a father and as a father I would never sentence my children to eternal suffering no matter what they did. I would also never sit by and let bad things happen to them when I have the power to stop it!

Also if he wants us to believe in him so bad why not just show his self? What the hell. Christians say you got to have faith. Well that is just bull!

So even if the god of the bible exist he is not someone I would worship or love! Ever!

I worked all night and I am going to bed but I look foward to hearing what you all have to say about this. Catch you guys when I wake up.




Well the writers of the Bible could have written a fairy tale about there being no suffering, no destruction, no chaos, no loneliness, no wrath, anger or vengence. But they were smarter than that. They didn't deny what was happening and continues to happen. They utilized it for teaching. You may not agree with what is taught or how it is conveyed but IMO in the end you're fighting with the world we find ourselves in.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Universaleyeni]
    #19026043 - 10/24/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Universaleyeni said:
The bible is just one of the many story books written by men seeking to explain god thru images and parables.
God isn't a guy spirit. God is the universe. Everything that is and isnt, infinitely. Our human brains might judge and ascribe personality traits to this, but that's only natural we would try to ...its the silly way we percieve and try to explain things. Keep it simple.





Nice! Very well said. I like it :thumbup:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19026100 - 10/24/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19026126 - 10/24/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.





I really hope the cockstrong jealous asshole God of the Bible is just a fairy tale. What if it were all true?  All the story's of the Bible. Could you love and worship that God? I couldn't


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19026149 - 10/24/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Stromrider said:
Quote:

Yogi1 said:
I'll keep it simple... Ahem, there is no god. Maybe a creator, maybe a being with godlike abilities, but no cockstrong jealous asshole.





I really hope the cockstrong jealous asshole God of the Bible is just a fairy tale. What if it were all true?  All the story's of the Bible. Could you love and worship that God? I couldn't




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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19026188 - 10/24/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:werd:


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Yogi1]
    #19026539 - 10/24/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think language limits us because when I hear some one say the word god...to me it means the universe. Everything. To that person it may be the visualization they have of god (the beard guy in the clouds, etc). To me god also means the energy. The.energy. all of it. Positive negative and all colors.

I also agree with another poster...even though I do not believe certain bible stories to be factual, their importance is not that. It is the lesson taught through the story that is important. It is generally one of love, compassion, sacrifice, faith, etc...so a big thumbs up to the bible and other holy books for that.

Religion provides the visual cues and storylines that can be interpreted easily with symbols and persons with characteristics, by human like us. So, the masses...easily associate with the stories and have faith in their relevance to real life.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider]
    #19026945 - 10/24/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A question that Plato brought up in the Euthyphro was, "Did God create the good? Or is the good something that God acknowledged?"

If it's something he created, why is it so broad? And if he acknowledged the good, then he isn't omnipotent.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: Stromrider] * 1
    #19030734 - 10/25/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You haven't spent nearly enough time evaluating the value of biblical writ. You might first read Jung's Answer to Job, for example. We all need help understanding and interpreting writings that originated from pre-modern mentalities. It is mostly the author called Matthew that speaks of Hell, and that is just one of the four gospels that the creators of the canonical Bible saw as useful to their agenda. There are literally dozens of gospels, with many different theologies. The four that were selected were chosen because they could be used to control the population. These gospels do not contain theologies that acknowledge any theology that lauds any form of self-realization, as the Gospel of Thomas does. Thomas and other Gnostic and pseudo-Gnostic gospels were not only rejected from the canon, they were burned! The church authority needed gospels they could use to make their approval absolutely indispensable to the multitudes, for fear of eternal Hell. Control and tithing to enhance the absolute power of The Church. So your opinion is based on the canon alone, which means you've already bought into whatever Sunday schooling you've had, and are still stuck firmly in that little box. In 1947 the Nag Hammadi library was discovered. Many other versions of Christianity have come to light, but I'm afraid that if you want to understand, you'll have to make an effort to do so. www.gnosis.org

The Tenach (OT) was compiled over hundreds of years, and it illustrates, among other things, the mentality of humankind at various stages of development. The God of the Tenach changed in character as the mentality of the Hebrew people developed across time. The attributes of YHVH are clearly projections of a people who still organized their culture under war-lords. YHWH was originally a Semitic mountain deity that only gradually became expanded to be the Creator of Heaven and Earth - the One God. Look what happened to Pharaoh Akhenaten when he attempted to abolish the Egyptian pantheon of gods to honor the One Solar Disk, the Aten (hence his name Akhenaten). He was ousted from the throne, and possibly from Egypt. Some scholars believe that he was actually Moses, and that's what the Exodus was about. When he left Egypt, his son Tutankaten changed his name to reflect the old creator god, Amen, and called himself Tutankamen - King Tut, highly honored even in death. But I digress. You DO have to have faith, but it has to be what the Buddhists call "Right Faith." A history lesson is necessary for one to place their faith on the right aspect of what is helpful for human development. Clearly, you have not done the research yourself, but are reacting to the paltry material that has been served to you from childhood.

Early codifications of law were important stages of human development even though the penalties for breaking them were often horrific. Only fundamentalist Muslims who want to live under Shariah law want to practice these atrocities today. Orthodox Jews do not stone their unfaithful wives or gay sons and daughters to death any more. You learn to raise your children with the value of truth and compassion, not because it was used two millennia ago to mollify a people who wanted a warrior-king for a savior instead of Jesus, but because these qualities will open the possibility of your offspring to transcend their socio-biological and cultural programming, not to mention the psychodynamic baggage they're going to inherit from you and their mother. Rejecting the Bible is as shortsighted as getting rid of a car because it needs a set of new spark plugs, and maybe some engine rebuilding that is worth the effort. Too many people throw out the Bible and shop for a new religion. I did this and came back to my roots decades later with fresh insights, including the insight that I was looking at it all from an ignorant interpretation, and one that did nothing to transform me.


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Re: Almighty God My Ass! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19030760 - 10/25/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for that insight Markos


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