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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Enables]
    #19010391 - 10/21/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You forget the one factor that really makes NBoMe popular. It's cheap as shit to make. It has a simple structure, and can be synthesized from readily available precursors. Methylone hasn't disappeared, neither will NBoMe. Not until someone starts distributing cheap LSD again (I'm talking $5-8 per tab of a 100 ug dose) will NBoMe become unfavorable.

I think 25i is too potent of an agonist for the 5ht2a receptor, and it seems to have a noticeably long come up time. I like 25c much, much more. It was cheap, and although it lacked the profundity that LSD had, it was fun and helped me see beauty in the world.

On the other hand, 25i is a piece of shit. I hear the same thing with 25b.

Anyways, advances in computational SAR determination technology has made ligand design infinitely easier. A new "NBoMe" will pop up, and this time it won't be a research group that discovers it. It will be some shady business halfway across the world; a repetition of what's going on right now in the synthetic cannabinoid game.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Society]
    #19013023 - 10/22/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Society said:
I empathize with your general point of view; you're deeply upset that your scene that involves your favorite illegal drugs is significantly disrupted.  Drugs are misrepresented, deaths have occurred, etc.  It's fucking awful.






It's only "my scene" insofar as I consider myself a "psychonaut."  However, I have not purchased, or attempted to purchase LSD in over a decade. Well over. I haven't even tripped in quite a while. LSD is not my favorite drug, and your wording it this way (making it seem like my argument had more to do with personal benefit than principle) is rather strange, on top of being inaccurate. LSD is not my favorite drug (though it is one of them.)  The point of my argument is that LSD is "the market's" favorite drug.





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Here's where I have the problem with your argument:

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I'm hoping that when this becomes illegal, people will just switch back to LSD, or something else that isn't neurotoxic and dropping kids like flies.




There is no evidence to substantiate this criminalizing these three NBOMe compounds will fulfill this outcome. 

Everything you have stated is a direct result of policies similar to what you suggest perpetuating.  Criminalization of chemicals creates black markets; black markets allow/encourage for selfish/ignorant people to utilize unscrupulous methods for making money.

You are fairly informed, so I'm assuming that you are well aware of the recent "molly" deaths and incidents.  The is allegedly occurring due to MDMA being misrepresented as other chemicals.  It has been suggested that much of it "molly" is potentially methylone.  If this is true, then this is one schedule I drug being represented as another schedule I drug.  Then criminalizing methylone has proven ineffective and still results in deaths.






Maybe you're correct. You're definitely correct on the methylone thing. I've seen that one with my own eyes. Tons of "molly" in my area. But it's all methylone. And that stuff I have tested myself, and confirmed. It could be worse. I kinda like methylone. But I hate the fact that it's ruining the MDMA market. And yes, there have been deaths.... but people also die on MDMA. LSD it is not. There was that case in the last couple months or so where a couple people died at that show  in New York?  Well, if I remember correctly, that case illustrates my point nicely, as one of those deaths was methylone and the other MDMA.


However, while methylone may still be going around, people are also getting arrested for it. There have been a couple big M1 busts in recent history. People don't get to go around thinking that what they're doing is "safe" or somehow legal. They know they're taking a risk, defrauding their drug customers. And they may get arrested for doing so. I'm fine with that. Far more fine than if they got to keep going defrauding their customers without repercussion.



I also want to point out that there are some good reasons there is still so much M1 around. First of all, there was plenty of notice it was being made illegal. I know for a fact that as the schedule date approached, a number of vendors seriously slashed their prices to dump stock, and some people ended up buying major weight of that shit. That, and the fact that some of those pre-scheduling sources may not have dumped off all their stock before scheduling. Hell, I'm sure there are at least a few labs in Asia and India still making the stuff to this day. But the changed laws are still making it slightly harder, and VERY MUCH RISKIER in order for these people to pass of one drug as another. And if they're going to do a scumbag thing like that, maybe it should be risky. Maybe they should pay for it.


As I said-- you may be right, and NBOMes may be around for a while, despite my hope for the opposite. Maybe it will work just like methylone. However, I addressed that in my post. While I may generally hate the war on drugs, and while it may make me sad to see people get caught up in it, people passing off 25i are doing harm. Worse than the methylone thing, IMO.  And if those people have to pay for their reckless criminal disregard for the safety of others, then maybe that's what has to happen.


Maybe if enough people start getting charged with not only dealing, but manslaughter, or whatever it was Charles Carlton and co got charged with, maybe the supply will dry up.


But regardless of market conditions, I don't think such reckless endangerment should be tolerated. And since "the scene" (aka all labs, vendors, street dealers, and customers) seem to be completely unable or unwilling to regulate themselves, in order to prevent widespread deceit and harm, then maybe the government needs to step in.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #19013693 - 10/22/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not going to throw my hat in the ring here and offer an opinion.

I just wanted to say that I find your posts, Cidney (Society, too), whether I agree or not, to be fucking great...and not just in this thread.

I love that you take the time to clearly state your opinion and write as much as you feel you need to instead of just "WERD!" or some shit.

I often find myself too lazy to write out everything I intend, so I find it commendable that you do.

So, yeah, thanks for contributing.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: shLong] * 1
    #19024146 - 10/24/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

As much as I hate that this RC shit being passed off as LSD, I can't cheer for it to be illegal.  One, because no drug should be illegal.  And two because they're going to just make another similar acting RC.  People are making them faster than the government can make them illegal.  So let's face it.  Until LSD is made legal, some RC will be passed off as LSD or MDMA or whatever. 
















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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Learyfan] * 1
    #19024831 - 10/24/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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As much as I hate that this RC shit being passed off as LSD, I can't cheer for it to be illegal.  One, because no drug should be illegal.  And two because they're going to just make another similar acting RC.  People are making them faster than the government can make them illegal.  So let's face it.  Until LSD is made legal, some RC will be passed off as LSD or MDMA or whatever. 





This is my stance as well.  There is already 25I-NBOH on the market.  And legions of other unresearched or barely researched chemicals out there.


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