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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19022831 - 10/23/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup: stay strong


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19023001 - 10/24/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Made up bs. Just do shit that makes you happy and toughen up some. Everyone wants the easy way out...


Never taken them before... :shrug:







lol that's the worst advice to give someone with clinical depression. It's a chronic, lifelong condition and it really can't be cured - only managed.



Like I said, that is made up shit. You can't be lifelong depressed. That's just believing something is wrong when in reality its just life.
Depression is a state of mood, not an illness


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023055 - 10/24/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been on Prozac for almost a year and it has made a significant difference in my mental state and I really don't think I'd be here without it. Of course you need to change your way of thinking along with actually trying to get better instead of just taking the pill and expecting it to work.
You really have to want to get better and work at it.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: unknown1123]
    #19023064 - 10/24/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
Made up bs. Just do shit that makes you happy and toughen up some. Everyone wants the easy way out...


Never taken them before... :shrug:







lol that's the worst advice to give someone with clinical depression. It's a chronic, lifelong condition and it really can't be cured - only managed.



Like I said, that is made up shit. You can't be lifelong depressed. That's just believing something is wrong when in reality its just life.
Depression is a state of mood, not an illness




Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance in your brain. That's just like saying Schizophrenia or Bipolar is a state of mood. Mental illness is a disease of the brain.
It's really hard for someone who hasn't experienced it first hand to understand.
It's like there's something else controlling your thoughts, and you can't just snap out of it. You need some form of treatment.
Now if you're just depressed because you broke up with your boyfriend or girlfriend or something, you can snap out of that.
But being diagnosed with depression is a completely different story.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023117 - 10/24/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been on Zoloft for several years now, and I'm not a zombie, my health is okay and my severe clinical depression is greatly alleviated.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023121 - 10/24/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I went on A/d's once, and became devoid of any emotion, and lost my sex drive. Stopped after a few months... years later tried again, same thing. Its been 4+ years since then, and I'm in a constant state of mental confusion. In my opinion, anti depressants have negatively altered my mind forever, and it really sucks, but there's nothing I can do to reverse the damage,


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19023149 - 10/24/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not on them anymore, not because they didn't work..because they did in a weird way, but I felt like I was able to deal with it on my own in other ways with more success and less side effects.

Also I wanted to trip.




This. I stopped taking antidepressants when I turned 18. I felt I was becoming dependant on them for a while, until I finally realized I never needed them to begin with. My anxiety can sometimes feel like it's crippling me, but it's all in my mind, so I feel I must fight it the same way. The dark thoughts, the doubts, they're a part of me. I feel much more "sane" being off them.

I have nothing against antidepressants, or anyone who takes them, but I learned they're just not for me.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Viol]
    #19023289 - 10/24/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I describe the feeling of antidepressants to feel like the days after the speed comedown when you feel retarded and emotionless.

Good fucking shit.

They almost ruined me.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023404 - 10/24/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hi, I have been on prozac in the past, and my experience with prozac was mainly positive. My depression subsided, and I started feeling that good feeling again, kind of like being on a small dose of cocaine, all the time. Then I noticed a kind of ''flatness'' of emotion, which really started to get on my nerves, so I came off prozac. 

I would say overall this treatment was effective in the short-term.

Recently I have tried a number of antidepressants, all of which caused Sexual Dysfunction, a common problem. Eventually the Doc prescribed me 'Mirtazipine' which apparently has lower incidence of this problem. The medication has relieved me of the symptoms of depression. The only side effect I have experienced on antidepressants is sexual dysfunction and involuntary movements.

Overall I think antidepressants are effective in the short-term only, to help lift the symptoms of debilitating depression so steps can be made to get on with things (like training wheels). Then once you feel like you don't need the medication anymore you can taper off.

I have not had reoccurring depression after stopping treatment.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Scoobiedoobie]
    #19023413 - 10/24/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You lil depressed people look up kratom. I promise you it will change your life :smile:


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #19079496 - 11/03/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I wanted to bump this thread with a bit of an update and some insight into my prior experiences with traditional ssris.

As you may or may not know, I have had long term issues with clinical depression since about age 9. I was started on anti-depressants first at 13, and have mainly only dealt with ssris - namely lexapro. I am not generally a big advocate or fan of meds, especially for just anyone. I am a huge advocate of responsible use of psychedelics to help treat depression and PTSD(which I also have a relatively minor case of, or had, as it doesn't much affect me these days).

Depression can definitely be treated with healthy life choices, and many people are able to pull themselves out of it enough to instill those choices and help themselves. The meds are not a cure and the major problem with treatment for mood disorders, to me, seems to be that doctors tend to pull out their RX-pads, write a shitload of scripts for some very powerful drugs and then send people on their way - a lot of the times they're not even psychiatrists or make no suggestion to said patient to consult with a psychiatrist or enter therapy which I personally think should be voiced to ANYONE taking psych meds. Long story short, meds are not a fix or a cure, they are a tool to help you help yourself - which anyone who has ever struggled with serious reoccurring mood disorders knows, helping yourself is not necessarily an easy thing.

You need to want to improve your life and only after that happens will you really truly start to feel better. The problem with me and anyone who has a mood disorder, is that my brain simply does not give me the same amount of 'feel good' chemicals(some of these include seratonin, dopamine, nooephenrine, etc). That's just the way the cookie crumbles. I have in the past, realized that it is entirely possible for me to live a fulfilling and happy life and manage my depression with no meds, and have spent a lot of time off of them and a lot of time not taking them when I had it scripted - and apart of that is sensing that I'm slipping and confronting it head on, changing my diet and exercise accordingly, getting sunlight, getting out(I'm really open about having depression with my friends, and often they know that pulling me out when I start to feel an episode coming on is a huge help). Sometimes, however, I don't pull myself out before it gets to be too much. And once I'm in the hole, digging myself out gets harder and harder each day.

This is why someone like me should occasionally be openminded about psych meds. I am a very rational, objective person when it comes to my depression, I'm generally a very rational person about everything and when it manifests I'm not a risk to anyone and I'm not a risk to myself in terms of self-harm - but others are, and they need care and meds. Medication will give the tools needed to dig yourself out of the hole, you've still gotta do the shoveling, and doctors do not tell people this.

I'm incredibly sick of people stigmatizing mood disorders, it makes it harder for people who do need help for something that is actually nothing to be ashamed of and is determined largely by genetics. I totally agree that medication is not a cure, I totally agree that it is definitely not for everyone, but that doesn't mean that some people do need it.


That being said, OP, ssris have traditionally made me spacey and feeling "flat". Energy is a problem for me, and they don't really help that, but I did feel them working. You don't feel so glum anymore...you just don't really feel, or atleast, I didn't, and it didn't help. Recently, I made the decision to ask my doctor about wellbutrin which does not act on seratonin(like traditional anti-depressants), but dopamine and  nooephenrine(sp). It seems to be helping me a lot, it isn't overly euphoric or psychoactive like amphetamines, but it does have a mild stimulating effect..in a way that just makes me feel, well, for lack of a better word...normal.
I've been instructed to take them in conjuction with a cocktail of amphetamines, lexapro, and amyltriptaline.

So far I am just using the welbutrin and ampetamines a few days a week. the wellbutrin seems to moderate my behavior in a lot of ways, and one of those is not being so tempted to redose amps, and simple things like making sure I am getting at least 6 hours of sleep a night, drinking enough water, sitting down and doing stuff because I actually need to do it and not because I'm stimmed out of my mind and just want SOMETHING to do(usually that manifested in doing everything but what I needed to get done lol).


I'm sorry to wall of text it up, but this is a subject I feel like I have insight on, and there is absolutely no reason for you not to be open minded about something that might help. Talk to the doc. Every brain's different, a traditional ssri might help you when they've done nothing for me.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19079605 - 11/03/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mood and/or personality disorders are not a "disease of the brain" in the same way adhd is not a "disease". This is Pharma propaganda generated to create as much profit as possible. I am disappointed in how many people in this thread talk of "having an open mind about anti-depressants/anti-psychotics". The truth is this: These diagnosis are based on deviations from established behavioral norms Big pharma pays billions if not trillions of dollars on making sure people believe the Big Lie of "disorders".

Disorder: that can mean anything. I bet everyone here would be considered to have a "disorder" of some kind. Mine was schizoid personality disorder. Know what it means? That I exhibit non-normal behaviors such as:

1. unsociability, quietness, reservedness, seriousness, eccentricity
2. timidity, shyness with feelings, sensitivity, nervousness, excitability
3. pliability, honesty, indifference, silence, cold emotional attitudes.

Now, I really do have these attributes. Does that mean I have "chemical imbalances in the brain" or a "pathological disease that requires drugs"? No, it means that's my personality.

Keep taking the pills, guys. Pirate Blues, I hope those amphetamines work for your depression. In my exhaustive drug experiences, I came to know that speed makes you more depressed, not less. It depletes your brains natural ability to produce dopamine and/or seratonin. That's okay, they'll find something else to put you on.

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Tne reason schizoid people are pathologized is because they are comparatively rare. People in majorities tend to assume that their own psychology is normative and to equate difference with inferiority". Therefore "[t]he so-called schizoid personality disorder is one of the more blatant examples of the APA’s pathologizing of normal human differences.




Don't even get me started on calling kids who have imaginations and energy the label "ADHD" and prescribing neurotoxic amphetamines by the millions.

Wake up, people.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19079714 - 11/03/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

@pirate blues.  Good post.  You give solid insight into how depression works and how antidepressants can help, but are not a cure.

I have found that many people dismiss depression as big pharma propaganda because they are going off of there own experience which doesn't include debilitating depression.  Chemical imbalances in the brain are as real as sugar imbalances in diabetic patients.  It is too bad that so many people dismiss this because they don't like pharmaceutical companies.  Sure, these drugs are over prescribed, but that doesn't mean they have no therapeutic value. In some ways this social stigma is analogous to how propaganda against cannabis worked for so many years. I just wish people would be more open-minded about this topic.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19079743 - 11/03/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:

If you talk to a doctor, he will definitely advise you to take anti-depressants. Almost everyone I know has been told to take them, and most of them did not even have anything close to severe depression.

"Over-prescribed" is an enormous understatement. Look at the meds they prescribed pirate. Are you kidding me?

They've tried to put me on anti-psychotics, when I had no psychotic symptoms to speak of. They tried to get me on anti-depressants, when I only test for mild depression in psychological tests.

They have my dad on anti-depressants BECAUSE OF HIS FOOT PAIN.

WAKE UP!


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19079747 - 11/03/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mike is not a pro about depression.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19079755 - 11/03/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, my name isn't mike.

Secondly, you are brainwashed. Psychologically, and probably physiologically.

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In some ways this social stigma is analogous to how propaganda against cannabis worked for so many years.



The truth is, it is people like me who are marginalized and called crazy/paranoid, "uninformed", irrational, and etc. There is no general social stigma against the use of these drugs. The masses don't even consider them drugs, they consider them "meds", and it is very widely accepted to take them, IME.

All I see is tons and tons of people taking this shit, usually every day and sometimes for years on end. That, and people defending this wide-spread dosing of the masses.

Mood stabilizers, anti-psychotics, and anti-depressants should only be used in extreme cases. Such as prescribing anti-psychotics for someone who has actual auditory and visual hallucinations.

Instead, these drugs are pushed on everybody who goes to a psych doctor (and even plenty of people who just see a GP)


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19079928 - 11/03/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I challenge any of you who take anti-depressants to show me physical evidence of your depression.

Oh wait, your doctor never ran brain scans and showed you the proof of your depression? Oops, I forgot it was a psychological state of mind, not a physical "disease".


Cue selective and biased research paid for by pfizer and co.


We don't even know what schizophrenia is or how exactly it's caused by physiological "abnormalities". It is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior.

There is no such thing as a disease called "ADHD", it is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior.

Yet I know people who were prescribed amphetamines and anti-psychotics for these so-called "disorders".

But the biggest deception by far in the prescription drug industry is the existence of depression as a physical state in the brain. There may be such a thing, but I'd wager that the vast majority of those who are prescribed these chemicals do not have such an imbalance.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19079939 - 11/03/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

fuck pharma :kingcrankey:


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: daz01]
    #19079950 - 11/03/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fuck pharma :kingcrankey:



Werd bruh  :bobmarley:


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: daz01]
    #19079965 - 11/03/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry for the double posts, but I've seen too many people duped and victimized in my life to let this issue go without taking a stand for what I consider to be true.

Personal introspection, philosophy, and perhaps psychedelics are much more palpable pills to swallow when battling this phenomenon, from my perspective.


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