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OfflineKubensis
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Anti Depressants
    #19022163 - 10/23/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Need some insight. What was/is your experience with anti depressants.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19022180 - 10/23/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

posting to subscribe, i'll come back and shed what insight i've got on 'em tomorrow.

I'm not on them anymore, not because they didn't work..because they did in a weird way, but I felt like I was able to deal with it on my own in other ways with more success and less side effects.

Also I wanted to trip.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #19022215 - 10/23/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Made up bs. Just do shit that makes you happy and toughen up some. Everyone wants the easy way out...


Never taken them before... :shrug:


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: unknown1123]
    #19022253 - 10/23/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wellbutrin is an atypical anti-depressant that is a mild dopamine releaser/reuptake inhibitor and rather strong noradrenaline releaser.  Chemically it is an a ketone analog of amphetamine and central nervous system stimulant. 

That is, it is a cathinone--more commonly called 'bath salts.'  And it has effects at first like you hear about bath salts, at least it did to me.  I got weird thoughts about killing my neighbors and shit, and really paranoid.  After about two weeks I had this awesome body high and was real happy, and was popping a woody about 5 times a day I was so horny.  The high at the two week point was kind of like a mild MDMA high.

They prescribe it to older women sometimes to make them horny.

I don't recommend it.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: unknown1123]
    #19022280 - 10/23/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Very little effect. Felt slightly dumber, had some slight tingles in the head.

Never take them for too long, or you will end up worse than when you started.

My mom was addicted to Bupropion for 20 years and now she's depressed permanently.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19022291 - 10/23/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Subscribing. I've been on Zoloft but I think I got the lesson they taught and kinda integrated into my life. They were very subtle though.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19022365 - 10/23/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I understand and totally agree with figuring it out and doing what makes you happy. Iv met a few people who took them got what they needed to get out of there funk and tossed them away. Not sure what to make of my situation as its been going on for some time.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19022391 - 10/23/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

From what I understand, they have some serious long-term, if not permanent effects, on your psyche. I would definitely be careful about getting on them and not taking a doctor's word without a grain of salt.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19022438 - 10/23/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Kratom is a miraculous antidepressant and should be used instead of pharmaceutical SSRI etc antidepressants in my opinion.

It is a CURE for depression with less addiction and side effects and much higher effectiveness.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Snotfish]
    #19022446 - 10/23/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I recently started taking zoloft, hasn't quite fully kicked in but my mood has def been better.

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From what I understand, they have some serious long-term, if not permanent effects



Oh? Prove it.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: unknown1123]
    #19022466 - 10/23/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
Made up bs. Just do shit that makes you happy and toughen up some. Everyone wants the easy way out...


Never taken them before... :shrug:







lol that's the worst advice to give someone with clinical depression. It's a chronic, lifelong condition and it really can't be cured - only managed.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19022569 - 10/23/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Kubensis said:
Need some insight. What was/is your experience with anti depressants.




I have heard a lot of warnings from people who take them that they are really bad news.

That they can cause suicidal or homicidal thoughts and behaviour, that they are addictive, that the withdrawal if you try to come off them is horrific, and that they make you a bit of a zombie (flat, blurred).

I have never taken them myself.

My brother and law takes one. He started feeling better so he decided to stop. He said the withdrawal felt like he was trying to crawl out of his skin. The withdrawal was so horrible he had to go back on them and still is.

Its basically a lifelong commitment to take them, which to me is not acceptable.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19022606 - 10/23/13 10:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not gonna lie snri withdrawal is by far the worst thing ive went through and I've had withdrawal from benzo's, opiates, and meth.

But I was also taking crazy amounts, and with anti-depressants you're usually not dosed that high and you should be fine as long as you taper off them.

I plan to keep taking my zoloft for another 2 months I think, and I'll taper. Also I'm not on it for depression but anxiety.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19022619 - 10/23/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lsd is da best anti depres cuz den it maks u fuqd up


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Sheekle]
    #19022626 - 10/23/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The only thing I really have to say about the prescription anti-depressants these days is that if you end up on MAOI's never take MDMA cuz u'll get serotonin syndrome


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19022630 - 10/23/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Kubensis said:
Need some insight. What was/is your experience with anti depressants.




I have heard a lot of warnings from people who take them that they are really bad news.

That they can cause suicidal or homicidal thoughts and behaviour, that they are addictive, that the withdrawal if you try to come off them is horrific, and that they make you a bit of a zombie (flat, blurred).




That was exactly my experience with them!!!

Stay away from antidepressants. Its nothing but bad news. The very first time I tried them I got extremely suicidal and got admitted to a psych ward where those fucking quacks (yes psych doctors are not real doctors IMO) doubled my dose which didn't help one bit.

I got addicted. I got fat and slow. I was sleeping +14 hours a day, waking up to eat like 15 doughnuts and go back to sleep.

Then I stopped cold turkey and it was insane. I couldn't sleep I couldn't eat I was breaking down emotionally.

As I said DON'T USE ANTIDEPRESSANTS. You will almost certainly regret it.


The best antidepressant that I found was sex. Lots and lots of hot, horny, nasty, slimey sex :yesnod: Go fuck a bitch man, stay away from the pills unless you want to die.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mellowparty]
    #19022652 - 10/23/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I took Zoloft for awhile and later on Wellbutrin. They really are not something that you want to get involved with unless you have severe long term depression.
They have some pretty shitty side effects.

But if you do decide to, I would give Wellbutrin a shot. It seemed to work pretty well for me and I know others who have had success with it as well. But I decided not to continue taking it because it gave me insomnia/nightmares.

Anti-depressants are generally more trouble than they are worth and WAY over-prescribed. Depression is a part of life, and unless you've been that way for a long time and can't get over it I would not mess with them.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #19022680 - 10/23/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had anxiety last year and the doctors put me on xanex for the short term attacks and tried various ssris to stabilize my mood. After taking the ssris I felt like a zombie, never laughed, cried, or even felt happy or sad. I hated this feeling! I tried tripping while i was medicated and the effects were completely absent. I took a break from the ssris and tripped again. I had the most profound trip of my life! I realized i shouldn't be using medications like this, I just wanted to be me and see where life took me. After the trip i told my parents I stopped taking xanex and prozac. I haven't taken those drugs since. My cure is psychedelics, weed, and friends! Just because the antidepressants didn't work for me doesn't me they don't for you. If they make you enjoy day to day life, then great for you. If you want to trip I would suggest taking at least a week or more of the prozac before you trip.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19022741 - 10/23/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone has sad depressing thoughts sometimes, deal with it its part of life, just another test on your path to greatness. Or destruction if your weak.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: MystiqueMushroom]
    #19022763 - 10/23/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Everyone has sad depressing thoughts sometimes, deal with it its part of life, just another test on your path to greatness. Or destruction if your weak.




I am convinced. :thumbup:
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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19022831 - 10/23/13 11:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: stay strong


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19023001 - 10/24/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
Made up bs. Just do shit that makes you happy and toughen up some. Everyone wants the easy way out...


Never taken them before... :shrug:







lol that's the worst advice to give someone with clinical depression. It's a chronic, lifelong condition and it really can't be cured - only managed.



Like I said, that is made up shit. You can't be lifelong depressed. That's just believing something is wrong when in reality its just life.
Depression is a state of mood, not an illness


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023055 - 10/24/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been on Prozac for almost a year and it has made a significant difference in my mental state and I really don't think I'd be here without it. Of course you need to change your way of thinking along with actually trying to get better instead of just taking the pill and expecting it to work.
You really have to want to get better and work at it.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: unknown1123]
    #19023064 - 10/24/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
Made up bs. Just do shit that makes you happy and toughen up some. Everyone wants the easy way out...


Never taken them before... :shrug:







lol that's the worst advice to give someone with clinical depression. It's a chronic, lifelong condition and it really can't be cured - only managed.



Like I said, that is made up shit. You can't be lifelong depressed. That's just believing something is wrong when in reality its just life.
Depression is a state of mood, not an illness




Clinical depression is a chemical imbalance in your brain. That's just like saying Schizophrenia or Bipolar is a state of mood. Mental illness is a disease of the brain.
It's really hard for someone who hasn't experienced it first hand to understand.
It's like there's something else controlling your thoughts, and you can't just snap out of it. You need some form of treatment.
Now if you're just depressed because you broke up with your boyfriend or girlfriend or something, you can snap out of that.
But being diagnosed with depression is a completely different story.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023117 - 10/24/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been on Zoloft for several years now, and I'm not a zombie, my health is okay and my severe clinical depression is greatly alleviated.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023121 - 10/24/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I went on A/d's once, and became devoid of any emotion, and lost my sex drive. Stopped after a few months... years later tried again, same thing. Its been 4+ years since then, and I'm in a constant state of mental confusion. In my opinion, anti depressants have negatively altered my mind forever, and it really sucks, but there's nothing I can do to reverse the damage,


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19023149 - 10/24/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not on them anymore, not because they didn't work..because they did in a weird way, but I felt like I was able to deal with it on my own in other ways with more success and less side effects.

Also I wanted to trip.




This. I stopped taking antidepressants when I turned 18. I felt I was becoming dependant on them for a while, until I finally realized I never needed them to begin with. My anxiety can sometimes feel like it's crippling me, but it's all in my mind, so I feel I must fight it the same way. The dark thoughts, the doubts, they're a part of me. I feel much more "sane" being off them.

I have nothing against antidepressants, or anyone who takes them, but I learned they're just not for me.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Viol]
    #19023289 - 10/24/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I describe the feeling of antidepressants to feel like the days after the speed comedown when you feel retarded and emotionless.

Good fucking shit.

They almost ruined me.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Kubensis]
    #19023404 - 10/24/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi, I have been on prozac in the past, and my experience with prozac was mainly positive. My depression subsided, and I started feeling that good feeling again, kind of like being on a small dose of cocaine, all the time. Then I noticed a kind of ''flatness'' of emotion, which really started to get on my nerves, so I came off prozac. 

I would say overall this treatment was effective in the short-term.

Recently I have tried a number of antidepressants, all of which caused Sexual Dysfunction, a common problem. Eventually the Doc prescribed me 'Mirtazipine' which apparently has lower incidence of this problem. The medication has relieved me of the symptoms of depression. The only side effect I have experienced on antidepressants is sexual dysfunction and involuntary movements.

Overall I think antidepressants are effective in the short-term only, to help lift the symptoms of debilitating depression so steps can be made to get on with things (like training wheels). Then once you feel like you don't need the medication anymore you can taper off.

I have not had reoccurring depression after stopping treatment.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Scoobiedoobie]
    #19023413 - 10/24/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You lil depressed people look up kratom. I promise you it will change your life :smile:


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #19079496 - 11/03/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I wanted to bump this thread with a bit of an update and some insight into my prior experiences with traditional ssris.

As you may or may not know, I have had long term issues with clinical depression since about age 9. I was started on anti-depressants first at 13, and have mainly only dealt with ssris - namely lexapro. I am not generally a big advocate or fan of meds, especially for just anyone. I am a huge advocate of responsible use of psychedelics to help treat depression and PTSD(which I also have a relatively minor case of, or had, as it doesn't much affect me these days).

Depression can definitely be treated with healthy life choices, and many people are able to pull themselves out of it enough to instill those choices and help themselves. The meds are not a cure and the major problem with treatment for mood disorders, to me, seems to be that doctors tend to pull out their RX-pads, write a shitload of scripts for some very powerful drugs and then send people on their way - a lot of the times they're not even psychiatrists or make no suggestion to said patient to consult with a psychiatrist or enter therapy which I personally think should be voiced to ANYONE taking psych meds. Long story short, meds are not a fix or a cure, they are a tool to help you help yourself - which anyone who has ever struggled with serious reoccurring mood disorders knows, helping yourself is not necessarily an easy thing.

You need to want to improve your life and only after that happens will you really truly start to feel better. The problem with me and anyone who has a mood disorder, is that my brain simply does not give me the same amount of 'feel good' chemicals(some of these include seratonin, dopamine, nooephenrine, etc). That's just the way the cookie crumbles. I have in the past, realized that it is entirely possible for me to live a fulfilling and happy life and manage my depression with no meds, and have spent a lot of time off of them and a lot of time not taking them when I had it scripted - and apart of that is sensing that I'm slipping and confronting it head on, changing my diet and exercise accordingly, getting sunlight, getting out(I'm really open about having depression with my friends, and often they know that pulling me out when I start to feel an episode coming on is a huge help). Sometimes, however, I don't pull myself out before it gets to be too much. And once I'm in the hole, digging myself out gets harder and harder each day.

This is why someone like me should occasionally be openminded about psych meds. I am a very rational, objective person when it comes to my depression, I'm generally a very rational person about everything and when it manifests I'm not a risk to anyone and I'm not a risk to myself in terms of self-harm - but others are, and they need care and meds. Medication will give the tools needed to dig yourself out of the hole, you've still gotta do the shoveling, and doctors do not tell people this.

I'm incredibly sick of people stigmatizing mood disorders, it makes it harder for people who do need help for something that is actually nothing to be ashamed of and is determined largely by genetics. I totally agree that medication is not a cure, I totally agree that it is definitely not for everyone, but that doesn't mean that some people do need it.


That being said, OP, ssris have traditionally made me spacey and feeling "flat". Energy is a problem for me, and they don't really help that, but I did feel them working. You don't feel so glum anymore...you just don't really feel, or atleast, I didn't, and it didn't help. Recently, I made the decision to ask my doctor about wellbutrin which does not act on seratonin(like traditional anti-depressants), but dopamine and  nooephenrine(sp). It seems to be helping me a lot, it isn't overly euphoric or psychoactive like amphetamines, but it does have a mild stimulating effect..in a way that just makes me feel, well, for lack of a better word...normal.
I've been instructed to take them in conjuction with a cocktail of amphetamines, lexapro, and amyltriptaline.

So far I am just using the welbutrin and ampetamines a few days a week. the wellbutrin seems to moderate my behavior in a lot of ways, and one of those is not being so tempted to redose amps, and simple things like making sure I am getting at least 6 hours of sleep a night, drinking enough water, sitting down and doing stuff because I actually need to do it and not because I'm stimmed out of my mind and just want SOMETHING to do(usually that manifested in doing everything but what I needed to get done lol).


I'm sorry to wall of text it up, but this is a subject I feel like I have insight on, and there is absolutely no reason for you not to be open minded about something that might help. Talk to the doc. Every brain's different, a traditional ssri might help you when they've done nothing for me.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19079605 - 11/03/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mood and/or personality disorders are not a "disease of the brain" in the same way adhd is not a "disease". This is Pharma propaganda generated to create as much profit as possible. I am disappointed in how many people in this thread talk of "having an open mind about anti-depressants/anti-psychotics". The truth is this: These diagnosis are based on deviations from established behavioral norms Big pharma pays billions if not trillions of dollars on making sure people believe the Big Lie of "disorders".

Disorder: that can mean anything. I bet everyone here would be considered to have a "disorder" of some kind. Mine was schizoid personality disorder. Know what it means? That I exhibit non-normal behaviors such as:

1. unsociability, quietness, reservedness, seriousness, eccentricity
2. timidity, shyness with feelings, sensitivity, nervousness, excitability
3. pliability, honesty, indifference, silence, cold emotional attitudes.

Now, I really do have these attributes. Does that mean I have "chemical imbalances in the brain" or a "pathological disease that requires drugs"? No, it means that's my personality.

Keep taking the pills, guys. Pirate Blues, I hope those amphetamines work for your depression. In my exhaustive drug experiences, I came to know that speed makes you more depressed, not less. It depletes your brains natural ability to produce dopamine and/or seratonin. That's okay, they'll find something else to put you on.

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Tne reason schizoid people are pathologized is because they are comparatively rare. People in majorities tend to assume that their own psychology is normative and to equate difference with inferiority". Therefore "[t]he so-called schizoid personality disorder is one of the more blatant examples of the APA’s pathologizing of normal human differences.




Don't even get me started on calling kids who have imaginations and energy the label "ADHD" and prescribing neurotoxic amphetamines by the millions.

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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19079714 - 11/03/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

@pirate blues.  Good post.  You give solid insight into how depression works and how antidepressants can help, but are not a cure.

I have found that many people dismiss depression as big pharma propaganda because they are going off of there own experience which doesn't include debilitating depression.  Chemical imbalances in the brain are as real as sugar imbalances in diabetic patients.  It is too bad that so many people dismiss this because they don't like pharmaceutical companies.  Sure, these drugs are over prescribed, but that doesn't mean they have no therapeutic value. In some ways this social stigma is analogous to how propaganda against cannabis worked for so many years. I just wish people would be more open-minded about this topic.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #19079743 - 11/03/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm:

If you talk to a doctor, he will definitely advise you to take anti-depressants. Almost everyone I know has been told to take them, and most of them did not even have anything close to severe depression.

"Over-prescribed" is an enormous understatement. Look at the meds they prescribed pirate. Are you kidding me?

They've tried to put me on anti-psychotics, when I had no psychotic symptoms to speak of. They tried to get me on anti-depressants, when I only test for mild depression in psychological tests.

They have my dad on anti-depressants BECAUSE OF HIS FOOT PAIN.

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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19079747 - 11/03/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mike is not a pro about depression.


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    #19079755 - 11/03/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

First of all, my name isn't mike.

Secondly, you are brainwashed. Psychologically, and probably physiologically.

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In some ways this social stigma is analogous to how propaganda against cannabis worked for so many years.



The truth is, it is people like me who are marginalized and called crazy/paranoid, "uninformed", irrational, and etc. There is no general social stigma against the use of these drugs. The masses don't even consider them drugs, they consider them "meds", and it is very widely accepted to take them, IME.

All I see is tons and tons of people taking this shit, usually every day and sometimes for years on end. That, and people defending this wide-spread dosing of the masses.

Mood stabilizers, anti-psychotics, and anti-depressants should only be used in extreme cases. Such as prescribing anti-psychotics for someone who has actual auditory and visual hallucinations.

Instead, these drugs are pushed on everybody who goes to a psych doctor (and even plenty of people who just see a GP)


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19079928 - 11/03/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I challenge any of you who take anti-depressants to show me physical evidence of your depression.

Oh wait, your doctor never ran brain scans and showed you the proof of your depression? Oops, I forgot it was a psychological state of mind, not a physical "disease".


Cue selective and biased research paid for by pfizer and co.


We don't even know what schizophrenia is or how exactly it's caused by physiological "abnormalities". It is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior.

There is no such thing as a disease called "ADHD", it is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior.

Yet I know people who were prescribed amphetamines and anti-psychotics for these so-called "disorders".

But the biggest deception by far in the prescription drug industry is the existence of depression as a physical state in the brain. There may be such a thing, but I'd wager that the vast majority of those who are prescribed these chemicals do not have such an imbalance.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19079939 - 11/03/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

fuck pharma :kingcrankey:


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    #19079950 - 11/03/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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fuck pharma :kingcrankey:



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    #19079965 - 11/03/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry for the double posts, but I've seen too many people duped and victimized in my life to let this issue go without taking a stand for what I consider to be true.

Personal introspection, philosophy, and perhaps psychedelics are much more palpable pills to swallow when battling this phenomenon, from my perspective.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: mikeisapro]
    #19080072 - 11/03/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, I have had severe issues with depression since I was a child, sleeping for days unable to take care of myself, suicide risk sort of depression, the kind that has severe impact on a person's life. It's gotten better in the last few years because I've learned to manage episodes with everything you have ALREADY suggested in terms of life choices and making actual changes.

It is not going to go away or be cured - my brain simply does not naturally produce the same amount of feel good chemicals and it will always be a fact. I said nothing about being on psych meds or years or permanently in anyway, and honestly you're assertions that schizophrenia is not a real and very serious disorder is ridiculous. If you are not aware of the fact that mood disorders are a real, physiological issue that are caused by things outside of a person's control then that is pretty telling of your lack of knowledge of the topic at hand.


Here is the logic behind the current cocktail I'm prescribed.
- Amphetamines, no Doctor ever suggested these to me, personally, I know that my brain works in a different way, linear thought and action is very difficult. I was briefly put in my school's equivalent of special education due to the issues normally associated with ADD and the mathematical equivalent of dyslexia. Regardless of what you believe in terms of if ADD is real or not, I have always had focus issues to the point where it severely impacted my life. It wasn't hard to get amphetamines, but it was totally my own action and they were hardly thrusted at me. I maintain the script by choice and take them as needed.

- Lexapro - a traditional ssri that acts on seratonin, primarily. Alone, it has made me feel less sad, but not particularly happy. It's spaced me out more, and has not done much for energy.

- Wellbutrin - Acts on dopamine, nooephenrine - less side effects, related to stimulants without the abuse potential. My suggestion, and is often combined with an SSRI due to the combination of the two acting on seratonin.

- Amiltrypaline - This is an offlabel prescription given to me for sleep. Insomnia has been another pervading issue in my life since I was a small child, and I have been on ambien and chose to go off of it.



I have been diagnosed with ADHD, and my opinion on if it exists is pretty much irrelevant because I agree that it is extremely overdiagnosed and it is a travesty the way they hand out amphetamines to children like candy. I agree that big pharma drives the medical industry and that it is more about profit than anything, but that does not make clinical depression any less real for those that really, truly suffer from it. The claims that you're making are totally ridiculous and quite frankly, completely uneducated.

Psychedelics have helped me, but once again a cure-all they are not. I have no plans of being on the psych meds for years on end, I have fought against them tooth and nail in the past, but ultimately none of these were shoveled at me. They were started one at a time usually at MY request, and given weeks to months of trial to figure out what was working or not working.


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I'm not telling anyone to go or not go on drugs and frankly, to hell with anyone who says anything other than to let the person in question listen to their own body and let that make the decision for them.


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    #19080082 - 11/03/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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    #19080137 - 11/03/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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First of all, my name isn't mike.



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    #19080155 - 11/03/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/breakingbipolar/2011/04/biological-evidence-for-depression-mental-illness-exists/



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Cue biased reports paid for by pfizer and co




Did I say schizophrenia was fake? I think I said:
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We don't even know what schizophrenia is or how exactly it's caused by physiological "abnormalities". It is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior.



Do they really test people's brains to determine if they are schizophrenic? No. It is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior, period.

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my brain simply does not naturally produce the same amount of feel good chemicals and it will always be a fact. I said nothing about being on psych meds or years or permanently in anyway



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But the biggest deception by far in the prescription drug industry is the existence of depression as a physical state in the brain. There may be such a thing, but I'd wager that the vast majority of those who are prescribed these chemicals do not have such an imbalance.( I also did not say that you personally would take them for years. I believe the quote was "most people take them everyday, some even take it for years")




I apologize if you felt personally attacked by my observations. I did single you out by noting how many meds you were on, but this is a widespread issue, it's not only about you.


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    #19080630 - 11/03/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, not at all, I wouldn't have listed the meds if I wasn't okay with people commenting on them :shrug:, it's nothing personal, just oppositional opinions in a discussion, so no worries.

I just wanted to make it clear that it's been a very prevalent problem throughout my life and it's not one of those things where I'm going through a phase or a bit glum. I am a very optimistic person, and I refuse to live what I consider a mediocre life, let alone one dominated by depression, so it's not something I use to cling to as an excuse. It's just another obstacle to get over. If a few months on medicine and working really really hard to modify my beheavior, eliminate the triggering stressors in my life or learn to manage them, and so on and so forth, is what it takes for me to dig myself out of the rut I've found myself drawn back to again, I'm gonna try it. Additionally, the reason I suggested wellbutrin is because it is not an SSRI and lacks, well, to me, all of the negative side-effects and honestly seems to make me just feel, well, normal. Which is like a huge sigh of relief to me at the moment.

I think that I probably agree with you on quite a few things regarding the pharmaceutical industry and the fact that it is more profit driven than anything. I think a lot of people make life choices that enable this so called depression and then use meds to cover it up, and I think it's a total fucking outrage that we make kids sit at desks inside for 6+hours a day, pump them full of sugary foods and drinks(to a point where it's almost stigmatized if you don't let your child eat processed foods or whatever) and then wonder why they're so rambunctious and all over the place. It's entirely possible OP does not actually have depression and can eliminate it by managing stressors and modifying behavior(ever meet someone who is a complete couch potato, doesn't do anything other than maybe sit around and smoke pot, and then wonders whyyyy they're so glum? yeah, those people)..but it's also possible they're like me and really need some help.

Ultimately the thing that really grinds my gear is the continued stigmatization of people who really have disorders, like I said, I'm very blatantly open and objective about my issues and people are usually receptive to that. I also don't have a diagnosis like, for instance, schizophrenia, which is much more stigmatized than depression/PTSD, and I really really feel for people who struggle and are afraid of get help or who are cast out by others and labelled insane because they struggle with something like that(and i've seen it happen). So, I tend to advocate seeking help and being open minded to medication which is not a popular opinion among others who are aware of the bullshit pharma pulls.


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Re: Anti Depressants [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19081685 - 11/03/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Every little depressed munchkin on this thread please buy kratom and you will be alright yo.


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    #19081688 - 11/03/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Every little depressed munchkin on this thread please buy kratom and you will be alright yo.



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    #19081724 - 11/03/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, kratom won't help any serious depression.

It comes with a nice mood lift/euphoria during the comeup, but after that it's nothing special.

I'd rather take opiates than be on anti-depressants, though.

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    #19081763 - 11/03/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'd rather do a hit of smack then take an antidepressant.


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    #19081775 - 11/03/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who wouldn't?  :thefuckisthis:


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    #19081841 - 11/03/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The MADD moms probably.


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    #19081935 - 11/03/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's strictly because they never tried it. :archiebunker:


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