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Dude, I have had severe issues with depression since I was a child, sleeping for days unable to take care of myself, suicide risk sort of depression, the kind that has severe impact on a person's life. It's gotten better in the last few years because I've learned to manage episodes with everything you have ALREADY suggested in terms of life choices and making actual changes.
It is not going to go away or be cured - my brain simply does not naturally produce the same amount of feel good chemicals and it will always be a fact. I said nothing about being on psych meds or years or permanently in anyway, and honestly you're assertions that schizophrenia is not a real and very serious disorder is ridiculous. If you are not aware of the fact that mood disorders are a real, physiological issue that are caused by things outside of a person's control then that is pretty telling of your lack of knowledge of the topic at hand.
Here is the logic behind the current cocktail I'm prescribed. - Amphetamines, no Doctor ever suggested these to me, personally, I know that my brain works in a different way, linear thought and action is very difficult. I was briefly put in my school's equivalent of special education due to the issues normally associated with ADD and the mathematical equivalent of dyslexia. Regardless of what you believe in terms of if ADD is real or not, I have always had focus issues to the point where it severely impacted my life. It wasn't hard to get amphetamines, but it was totally my own action and they were hardly thrusted at me. I maintain the script by choice and take them as needed.
- Lexapro - a traditional ssri that acts on seratonin, primarily. Alone, it has made me feel less sad, but not particularly happy. It's spaced me out more, and has not done much for energy.
- Wellbutrin - Acts on dopamine, nooephenrine - less side effects, related to stimulants without the abuse potential. My suggestion, and is often combined with an SSRI due to the combination of the two acting on seratonin.
- Amiltrypaline - This is an offlabel prescription given to me for sleep. Insomnia has been another pervading issue in my life since I was a small child, and I have been on ambien and chose to go off of it.
I have been diagnosed with ADHD, and my opinion on if it exists is pretty much irrelevant because I agree that it is extremely overdiagnosed and it is a travesty the way they hand out amphetamines to children like candy. I agree that big pharma drives the medical industry and that it is more about profit than anything, but that does not make clinical depression any less real for those that really, truly suffer from it. The claims that you're making are totally ridiculous and quite frankly, completely uneducated.
Psychedelics have helped me, but once again a cure-all they are not. I have no plans of being on the psych meds for years on end, I have fought against them tooth and nail in the past, but ultimately none of these were shoveled at me. They were started one at a time usually at MY request, and given weeks to months of trial to figure out what was working or not working.
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I'm not telling anyone to go or not go on drugs and frankly, to hell with anyone who says anything other than to let the person in question listen to their own body and let that make the decision for them.
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STFU mike
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pirate-blues said: http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/breakingbipolar/2011/04/biological-evidence-for-depression-mental-illness-exists/
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Cue biased reports paid for by pfizer and co
Did I say schizophrenia was fake? I think I said:
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We don't even know what schizophrenia is or how exactly it's caused by physiological "abnormalities". It is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior.
Do they really test people's brains to determine if they are schizophrenic? No. It is characterized by loosely connected patterns of behavior, period.
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my brain simply does not naturally produce the same amount of feel good chemicals and it will always be a fact. I said nothing about being on psych meds or years or permanently in anyway
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But the biggest deception by far in the prescription drug industry is the existence of depression as a physical state in the brain. There may be such a thing, but I'd wager that the vast majority of those who are prescribed these chemicals do not have such an imbalance.( I also did not say that you personally would take them for years. I believe the quote was "most people take them everyday, some even take it for years")
I apologize if you felt personally attacked by my observations. I did single you out by noting how many meds you were on, but this is a widespread issue, it's not only about you.
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pirate-blues



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No, not at all, I wouldn't have listed the meds if I wasn't okay with people commenting on them , it's nothing personal, just oppositional opinions in a discussion, so no worries.
I just wanted to make it clear that it's been a very prevalent problem throughout my life and it's not one of those things where I'm going through a phase or a bit glum. I am a very optimistic person, and I refuse to live what I consider a mediocre life, let alone one dominated by depression, so it's not something I use to cling to as an excuse. It's just another obstacle to get over. If a few months on medicine and working really really hard to modify my beheavior, eliminate the triggering stressors in my life or learn to manage them, and so on and so forth, is what it takes for me to dig myself out of the rut I've found myself drawn back to again, I'm gonna try it. Additionally, the reason I suggested wellbutrin is because it is not an SSRI and lacks, well, to me, all of the negative side-effects and honestly seems to make me just feel, well, normal. Which is like a huge sigh of relief to me at the moment.
I think that I probably agree with you on quite a few things regarding the pharmaceutical industry and the fact that it is more profit driven than anything. I think a lot of people make life choices that enable this so called depression and then use meds to cover it up, and I think it's a total fucking outrage that we make kids sit at desks inside for 6+hours a day, pump them full of sugary foods and drinks(to a point where it's almost stigmatized if you don't let your child eat processed foods or whatever) and then wonder why they're so rambunctious and all over the place. It's entirely possible OP does not actually have depression and can eliminate it by managing stressors and modifying behavior(ever meet someone who is a complete couch potato, doesn't do anything other than maybe sit around and smoke pot, and then wonders whyyyy they're so glum? yeah, those people)..but it's also possible they're like me and really need some help.
Ultimately the thing that really grinds my gear is the continued stigmatization of people who really have disorders, like I said, I'm very blatantly open and objective about my issues and people are usually receptive to that. I also don't have a diagnosis like, for instance, schizophrenia, which is much more stigmatized than depression/PTSD, and I really really feel for people who struggle and are afraid of get help or who are cast out by others and labelled insane because they struggle with something like that(and i've seen it happen). So, I tend to advocate seeking help and being open minded to medication which is not a popular opinion among others who are aware of the bullshit pharma pulls.
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Every little depressed munchkin on this thread please buy kratom and you will be alright yo.
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kratom sucks and is for childeren
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Yeah, kratom won't help any serious depression.
It comes with a nice mood lift/euphoria during the comeup, but after that it's nothing special.
I'd rather take opiates than be on anti-depressants, though.
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I'd rather do a hit of smack then take an antidepressant.
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Who wouldn't?
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The MADD moms probably.
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That's strictly because they never tried it.
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