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Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please!
    #19019501 - 10/23/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am very interested in any and all personal info or experiences with these three drugs.

I am of the impression that the effects of APVP and MDPV closely resemble the effects of meth.

Is that correct?

Can you describe the feeling, high, sensation etc of using these drugs?

What ROA did you use?

Which had the worst and least side effects?

If you have tried them all, which is best?

Any major consequences to your use?

I am sure I took meth accidentally in more than one E pill but because I cant be sure I cant really speak on it but please share your stories!


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19019542 - 10/23/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I had been up for six days without sleep when this happened. I was using meth.

let me give a quick story
It was late at night and I was ready to go to sleep
the floors were covered with pencil width worms, looking further away they were bigger
i took a seroquil and went to take a shower
when i would close my eyes, mathematical formula's would appear before my eyes. theywould change one after another without stopping and were usually accurate equations
i wanted to hang out, called jay and he wasn't able to come because of work
i then decided i would hang out and have some people over
a few of my buddies would drop in here or there and get some pint. i really wanted a shot of heroine and i remember one group made one for me.
i bring the shot over, close the blinds and when i turn back everyone in the room is gone and so is the shot
i look around every object in the computer room and still can't find it

more people come and go
i keep getting frustrated because I was having normal conversations and thought it was all real but people would just randomly leave when i turned away
i searched around my house for them and they were all gone and i knew they didn't go out the front because the door was locked
then, i remember walking outside and i see that kid spencer (who stole brianna) with other chicks in my flower garden having heart to heart converssations
he gets really loud  and attracts some attention from police. i handle the situation well and tell him to calm down.
I hang out with the chicks on moly and I talk about how much molly sucks compared to meth. i felt like after a while they didn't say too much.
more people came to the party in the garden in front of my house. i had a really good time actually
then, they eventually leave
more people from my school come over
at this point, it had been a while since I had any pint
they began sparking up bowls of pint and passing it around. i kept asking when it was my turn to hit the pipe but they said i didn't share so why should they
i started to become a little frustrated and called up ryan to get some pint from me and valium
he eventually shows up, then hints for me to go to the van and i see these native guys. i try and open the door but they don't let me in and ask to see my friend
my buddy takes a long time, and eventually comes through. he takes forever package and organize the crystals
the people from my school, who would never hit pint soon joined in. they didn't have any pipes. they would find a very dense plant, spread the breaches apart and create a pipe in the middle with it made from the plant itself
I would often go digging through my plants when they were sparking the nature bowls
I found that no matter how much i tried to hit the nature bowls it wasn't working and was convinced whatever they were smoking was not meth
i got frustrated and asked ryan for the real deal. he takes a chard out of his pocket, then liquifies it and the liquid is placed in the plant and travels down the stem. i thought it was a cultural way of smoking meth but was frustrated because it took them so long to do it. the meth would collect at the end of the branches and would form into meth acorns which could be extracted
however, every time i extracted the meth i would only get such small amounts it wasn't worth it. i kept sitting into different parts of my garden to whoever had a pipe going. they preferred hitting the pipe in the trees. sometimes the branch of the tree would transform into a pipe, then just as I was about to grab it it would dissapear.

i go inside and tell my dad about it to make sure everything is alright. everyone is still sitting outside but my mom is concerned about me and goes and talks to them. she talks to them, and brings them somewhere so she can figure out what the hell is going on.
I sense a change of mood. My mom must have told them something. I keep asking for pint, and i remember them all looking at me almost about to cry. I knew I fucked up and couldn't stop looking for more. I paid for three points, but all of it was taken from me because my friends didn't want me getting high. i told him I wanted to get the points and leave. He finally agrees, puts the points in a small bag and instead of handing it over he puts it on the branch of the tree and it disappears again.
I finally say fuck this. I didn't believe there was any way the magical vine would dissolve my own paper cup. i ask ryan to once again give me the meth, but he sends it down the stem of the tree

i had a few cups where I would try and catch the meth dew that would drop from the meth sacks that collected at the end of the branches. it just didn't seem to work at all and I was about to start a fight because I couldn't hold in my anger. I told him I wanted to have a good time but it was ridiculous that I was the only one that night that wasn't able to get high, when I was the one paying for their supply. i think i took some  seroquil and eventually went to bed
I just found out an hour ago there was nobody over at all last night


I inject meth. Smoking is way to compulsive and leads to way too many redoses. I find the come up and come down are quicker and harsher. If I do a shot I can focus on my tweak for around twelve hours and get that almighty rush.

All other ROA's are a waste of time.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19019571 - 10/23/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for sharing BC will read now!


I also wanted to share this one I found online about APVP and MDPV

"I am curious about the substances APVP and MDPV and would love to hear all your experiences.

Is it true that APVP and MDPV are mostly similar to meth in their effects?

An online report:

"My uncle Nate discovered MDPV after a lengthy sobriety, he had 8 months on Subutex for a pain pill/poppy tea/heroin issue. He fell in love immediately, and on his 3rd day of using he had already decided there were people on his parents roof attempting to hurt his family, and he played sentry, almost stabbing his mom in the process and having the humbling experience of being frisked by the police in his own living room.

After a few months of maintenance use (24/7, literally) he entered treatment, but he stashed 5 grams of MDPV at home and after his first pass returned with it in his sock, and cringe worthy shenanigans were had. He left AMA soon afterward as no one in rehab likes to be given advice by someone who was clearly cracked the fuck out, and those people so often feel the need to chime in.

He experienced blackouts frequently when he would vaporize too much of the drug, and on one occasion he wandered the house mumbling like a zombie, throwing research chemical filled vials all over the place, then fished out on the couch. His mother witnessed much of it, and the next morning he was told to stop using or kick rocks. He defiantly sniffed a bump in front of his parents and was promptly told to fuck off.

He hotel hopped/resided in his car for a while, still using (he began injecting the drug at this point) and, conveniently never sleeping as cars get very very cold at 3 am, even in sunny California in June. He eventually developed what was probably CO poisoning from running the heater for hours at a time, came home unable to eat without vomiting and his parents helped him aquire a lovely condo.

After a few months he became convinced that there were bugs and worms all over his apartment, in his drugs and as a result inside him as well. It is important to mention that he was working with volatile solvents performing extractions and oxidations of a certain stigmatized OTC, and as a result not only was he inhaling xylene/naphtha on a daily basis, he was also using a wide variety of RCs and alkaloids he had cooked up. Anyway the worms were seen in his food and as a result he became unable to eat anything.

Yet the fun continued, slamming smoking and sniffing MDPV, as well as a plethora of other chemicals. Then, without warning 10/21/11 arrived, a day that will live in semi-infamy. MDPV became unavailable along with mephedrone and methylone in the US, as we are all aware (thanks a lot bath salt makers. Douchebags.) He crashed after an almost year long run of 24/7 use of the drug, and after sleeping for 3 days straight, woke up ridiculously depressed and dismal. Anhedonia, suicidal ideation, extreme lethargy, and of course an almost all consuming need for the drug were the symptoms of his withdrawal. It persisted for a long time, and in that time he tried the following substituted cathinones (as well as other drugs too numerous to mention, but I am limiting this story to cathinone derivatives) in the following ways to achieve what he hoped would be a similar effect"

And now the reason why I'm sharing this story. Alpha-PVP, when vaporized, provided a very similar high to MDPV, with possibly more euphoria. Other cathinones did the trick to some degree (and shooting methylone proved to be an extremely compulsive and addictive activity, as did shooting NEB but those are different stories). He was off and running, ordering 5 gram bags and sniffing and shooting the drug, along with pentylone which he quite enjoyed as well, as evidenced by his lengthy and (hopefully) amusingly self indulgent experience report written while under its influence (think really good coke, now make it 5x cheaper, multiply the % pure by 3 and make it smokeable without freebasing it first; your probably thinking, damn that might be habit forming).

He began to hear several different voices. They would tell him they were the neighbors, and wanted to have him arrested. They followed him everywhere; told him they were extorting his family and making his friends hate him, and one in particular claimed to be having a sexual relationship with his girlfriend of a year, who he also claimed hated Nate more than anyone and stuck with him to gather blackmail material for him. He became withdrawn and paranoid, keeping it together through his continuing knowledge of potential schizoid experiences when one sleeps only 2x a week for a year, especially when that sleep would better be described as blacking out after 4 days up, waking up fully clothed (including shoes), sitting up and noting that the apartment had been rearranged with no recollection of the act or motive for it.

He could never quite convince himself that the voices weren't real, they had good reason for not approaching him face to face, he was armed all the time, extremely frightened, angry and alone, an equation that usually has unfortunate solutions. As he continued to vaporize and inject alpha-PVP, the voices became gang affiliated, then y----- affiliated (yeah, think the people who the US Marshals are afraid of, with influence in NorCal).*He feared every day for the safety of those he loved, including the girlfriend he thought hated him. His concern for himself had evaporated about the time he began injecting a batch of the drug that smelled very strongly of solvent. He attempted suicide a few times, one with an empty syringe which he punctured the skin with but never pushed the plunger (thank God for divine intervention, he recieved phone calls from several people and got distracted by a mission to get icy hot for his girlfriends sore back), once with a knife which he held over his wrists until the voices said his parents were outside, once when the voices told him his girlfriend had planted cyanide in his drugs and he proceeded to almost OD himself trying to ingest enough to die, and once when he had what he thought was a laser site on his head and he threw open the curtain and stood in full "view" with his eyes squeezed shut as here voices counted to 3...

The worst nights were when his condo was surrounded by police, his parents and his girlfriends parents, and they told him that he had gotten her pregnant, and the voice he thought was having sex with her and gotten her high on OCs and given her a coat hanger abortion. He charged outside with a knife, crying and screaming death threats to someone he now knows doesn't exist, and drove around trying to find him so that he could ----------- use your imagination he doesn't want to go there, although he said something that described an act popularized by hungry pre-colonial Hawaiians... The second one was New Years when he roamed around Sausalito alone, convinced the police and everyone living there were after him after he had fled a restaurant where his friends were celebrations convinced that his food was poisoned. He rang in midnight alone in his condo vaping alpha-PVP.

He eventually lost the trust and respect of everyone, lost the girlfriend and scared the parents to death with wild accusations and cryptic messages about motorcycle gangs and extortion schemes. Finally his supply dry dry, and with $0 to his name (well, more like $-4000, he managed to spend a five figure sum in a year period, the vast majority of which went to websites in Poland and China) and he passed out for 3 days, awakening every few hours to shoot his rapidly dwindling supply of methylone and promptly pass out again.

Finally he ran out of methylone and decided to move onto 4-MEC. He became anxious after a few shots, and balanced it out with a hefty, unmeasured dose of phenazepam (effectively roofieing himself). He vaguely remembers his parents and an interventionist breaking in, he remembers snatching a bottle of GBL and dashing to the bathroom where he pounded probably 4-5 mls of pure G, walking through airport security impressed with how charming he was being, and then being carried to med time and meals at a SoCal facility by angels in the form of 40 something tattooed ex-felons (God bless you Rodney, Kenny, Richard, Chase, and anyone else I may have forgotten. My uncle will never forget the service and strength you gave him, or at least he hears you gave him. Thank you.)*

And that's what happened. He continued to hear voices for a good three weeks, although a nightly 5 mg olanzapine dose finally erased them (and gave him a Buddha belly; 8 meals a day...). He is no longer on antipsychotics, is greatful to say he is buprenorphine free (that detox is another fucking story, 5 weeks of absolute misery). His girlfriend is tentatively back in his life via phone, and although he knows they are probably finished the way her voice cracked when she talked about how healthy he sounded and how happy she was was one of the most wonderful things he experienced in sobriety so far. He loves her with all his heart, and being a broke ass boyfriend who sent essays full of insults and accusations to her at 4 am whenever she upset him had caused him more shame and regret than she will ever know. For her to be proud of him and recognize his attempt to become a better person meant so much. The last time he saw her he had told her to shut up, and she had punched him.

So that's what happened, my posts from the past year (subtly in some and not so subtly in others) document his decline into madness and severe abusive use of pyrollidinophenones. The above is not meant to be a cautionary tale, I have no motives for sharing, and no anti drug sentiments. I still love and respect this community and want only to provide a subjective account of what can happen when these drugs are misused or treated without due respect.

If one decides that one is interested in using beta ketones, I beg you to remember a few things. First and foremost, these drugs are research chemicals (!!!). While they often feel benign, and who knows, physically they probably are, if you are in need of medical or other kinds of treatment for your use, prepare to receive a blank stare along with a random assortment of medications if you chose to be honest about your DOC. Additionally, I have never heard of this happening to others, but blackouts were commonly the result of overindulgence of MDPV and to a lesser extent alpha-PVP, especially with the more direct routes like vaporization or IV injection, be cognizant of this possibility. Remember that violent and erratic behavior is often reported in inexperienced users, and my uncle definitely behaved in a way that, had those he was mad at been real, he would be risking several felony charges. These drugs are wickedly addictive, my uncle has had copious amounts of experience with meth, cocaine, ecstasy, opiates, the list goes on. Nothing in his experience has been as seductive or rapidly habit forming as beta ketone derivatives. Also, one thing he notes that played a role in his "fall from grace" is the fact that these drugs lend themselves to 24/7 dosing. With meth and amphetamines as well as coke, sleep deprivation, acute toleration and lack of food would usually necessitate periods of abstinence. This is not the case with MDPV or alpha-PVP. One can run constantly while eating, crashing out when the body has had enough, and waking up to a bump, shot or blast from a pipe to an experience that is exactly what they want. Tolerance does develope, my uncle was doing about 200 mgs of MDPV a day, and went through a 10 gram bag of alpha-PVP a month. And finally, and most importantly of all, if you use these drugs and are experiencing any of the following symptoms: synchronicities, egocentrism, delusions of persecution, abnormal suspicion of trusted individuals, extreme anger or fear, hallucinations, or just things happening that don't make much sense, STOP. THEY ARE THE RESULT OF THE DRUGS, THEY ARE LIABLE TO GET YOU INTO TROUBLE, THEY WILL NOT GO AWAY IF YOU CONTINUE USING, AND THEY WILL GET WORSE THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE!!!! I cannot stress this enough. What my uncle went through was absolutely the most terrifying experience of his life. He is in therapy to deal with possible PTSD as a result, he has nightmares relating to it regularly, and he still catches himself looking for connections in random events, although he no longer indulges these brief slips from reality. Is this a cautionary tale? No. Take it for what it is, the brutally honest and earnestly given experience of what can only be described as drug induced Hell. Thank you for taking the time to indulge me, God bless."

Read more: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175637#ixzz2iZsXLnNf


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19019578 - 10/23/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just so you know, the hallucinations I described in my post looked very real. I could not tell the difference between a real person and these hallucinations. It would be exactly like talking to a friend in the same room but your friend isn't really there.

I really, really hope the neighbours weren't watching because I was outside talking to thin air for like six hours.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19019588 - 10/23/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh yeah you shared that story before I did read it LOL collecting meth dew is pretty insane and hilarious. I have been full out insane in my life also, from three days of molly and ketamine.

I was so fully psychotic it was incredible.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19019609 - 10/23/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I woke up and my garden had little paper cups everywhere that I tried to collect the meth dew from.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19019611 - 10/23/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

your lucky you didnt get locked in the mental institution , like I did.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19019654 - 10/23/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I know someone who called the cops on himself to turn himself in. He wasn't wanted :shrug:


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Magicman69]
    #19019681 - 10/23/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yes, meth landed me in the nuthouse, after having a brain aneurism, fun times!


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #19019705 - 10/23/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The only similarity between APVP / MDPV and meth is that they are both strong stimulants.

They are not really alike in effects because MDPV acts like a NDRI (so like methylphenidate (Ritalin)) - meaning reuptake ("recycling") of norepinephrine and dopamine is inhibited making a surplus exist in the brain. Meth causes norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin transporters to work in reverse (like MDMA) causing a surplus.
In this way MDPV is closer to cocaine than meth.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #19020484 - 10/23/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19020557 - 10/23/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

vaping alpha-pvp almost made me ejaculate. smoking alpha-pvp ontop of dank weed, and synthnoids had me sitting in pure bliss, laughing nonstop for 10 minutes.


snorting, and orally taking alpha pvp, gave me horrible vasoconstriction, and high BP that lasted a
few days. the stuff got me hooked, and i had to end up flushing it.at times it seemed to  keep me
up for days, and it really lacks euphoria. its a straight stimulant, not really too much "fun"


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Legend]
    #19020567 - 10/23/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i have snorted meth to study for 6 subjects (from the start of the semester to the midterm) in 14 hours. i felt kinda burnt out in the middle of the week even though it was probably like 30-40 mg total.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19020573 - 10/23/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

when i was using meth i was a mess.

it got so bad one day, i had been up for a countless many days. i had thought that i was wanted.. i saw a helicopter with swat type people repelling from the helicopter into my back yard. i freaked out.. my parents came over.

that ended me locked up for about 7 months.

fuck that drug.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: rackem]
    #19020585 - 10/23/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

rackem said:
when i was using meth i was a mess.

it got so bad one day, i had been up for a countless many days. i had thought that i was wanted.. i saw a helicopter with swat type people repelling from the helicopter into my back yard. i freaked out.. my parents came over.

that ended me locked up for about 7 months.

fuck that drug.




I have had something similar happen. It fucking sucks. :sad::hug:


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19020594 - 10/23/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i remember alot of the time i would watch full movies not remember what the hell i just watched.

or when talking to somebody that wasnt there and then when questioned who i was talking to i would respond as if nothing was wrong.. they would try to tell me that that person i was just talking to was not there.

i wouldnt believe them.

crazy shit.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: rackem]
    #19020610 - 10/23/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I once thought I was being chased by the police, so I ate a gram of meth in my bag. Literally hid in people's garages, sheds, crawled under cars, thought there were helicopters in the sky after me, ect. All the fucking lights, no matter where they are from, were pointed at me and they were all cops in my mind. Fucking stupid and embarrassing. I love the stuff though but that was not my proudest moment.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #19020628 - 10/23/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah the psychosis and paranoia is the worst part of stims, especially combined with the sleep
deprivation. i once though my friends were working with cops to set me up. :nonono:


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    #19020633 - 10/23/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

we def have walked down similar paths with that drug.

when i was using it i must have weighed in at only a 100 pounds wet.

dont know how i survived those years.


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Re: Share your Meth, APVP and MDPV stories please! [Re: rackem]
    #19020637 - 10/23/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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we def have walked down similar paths with that drug.

when i was using it i must have weighed in at only a 100 pounds wet.

dont know how i survived those years.




On meth I was pretty much kidnapped. I got stabbed, bitten, punched out, almost thrown off a parcade, force fed seroquil pills. Got my phone stolen, parent's car slightly damaged, lied to, ect. I learnt about the nature of people. They suck.


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