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Muscaria or Flavoconia?
    #19020404 - 10/23/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A friend of mine found all these on the Oregon Coast, some grew under a mail box, most of them grew under trees.



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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19020412 - 10/23/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Shitty picture, but A. Muscaria


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MrMagicMushroom]
    #19020430 - 10/23/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are they all Muscaria?
Some are a bit more yellow than the others.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19020505 - 10/23/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A better pic would confirm it...with all the stem bases clearly visible


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: art2312]
    #19020528 - 10/23/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Amanita muscaria subsp. flavivolvata


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #19021190 - 10/23/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The subspecicies being Flaviolvata does not mean it's effects would be different, correct?

And my friend is wondering if these are too immature in the picture to be taken for psychoactive effects, or if the maturity matters much for that purpose.

Also, if they have been touched by insects [I've heard positive and negative things], do the mushrooms become inactive or dangerous?


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021222 - 10/23/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are they all Muscaria?





All are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata.  There are no other orange to red Amanitas on the west coast.

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trainerr3d said:
The subspecicies being Flaviolvata does not mean it's effects would be different, correct?

And my friend is wondering if these are too immature in the picture to be taken for psychoactive effects, or if the maturity matters much for that purpose.

Also, if they have been touched by insects [I've heard positive and negative things], do the mushrooms become inactive or dangerous?




The effects are pretty much the same as all the other muscaroid / gemmatoid / pantherinoid taxa.

There is no such thing as one that is too immature for psychoactive effects.  The maturity does not matter much for that purpose.  What matters is how much you eat, and how strong your stomach is.  If your stomach is not that strong you will throw up.

Insects are good for you and will not give you any problems.  Bacteria can cause problems, and insects can lead to bacteria.  Do not eat rotting mushrooms.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19021245 - 10/23/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, thank you all for the information.
My friend's a bit new to all of this and when my friend saw them growing in his yard, they wanted a bit more information on them before just diving in.

Better safe than dead.

Any preparation tips?
Not sure if my friend's willing to eat them raw or if they have all the proper tools to make it into a tea.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021296 - 10/23/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think they are best fried at high temperature in butter until golden brown, and then add a bit of salt and pepper.

Might be good with teriyaki.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021321 - 10/23/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also they are completely legal.  Lol.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: jet li]
    #19021464 - 10/23/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

YEAH I JUST REALIZED THEY'RE COMPLETELY LEGAL.

Well shit, now I just need to find out a good way to prepare these without killing the desirable chemicals.

I'm just not exactly sure if I want to eat them or if I want to actually attempt making them into a tea.
Hard to decide when I'm not sure how they taste either way.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021525 - 10/23/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think they are best fried at high temperature in butter until golden brown, and then add a bit of salt and pepper.

Might be good with teriyaki.




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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021526 - 10/23/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They taste really nice.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19021595 - 10/23/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I trust that they taste good, SWIM claims cubes taste like chocolate. SWIM also likes the taste of certain other plants, as well.


Anyway, I was reading the preparation page on this site and the instructions weren't really all too clear, and nothing on Youtube seems to show the in depth preparation of them.

The one thing that seems to be common between all of these is the temperature.

190 degrees, no higher than 212 degrees.
The time for drying it like that varies from ten minutes to over an hour.
Not clear if meant to be dried in an oven or a pot of water.

After they're dried, they'll be edible as is though, correct?


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021693 - 10/23/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I trust that they taste good, SWIM claims cubes taste like chocolate. SWIM also likes the taste of certain other plants, as well.




SWIM = Someone Who Is Me?




Quote:

Anyway, I was reading the preparation page on this site and the instructions weren't really all too clear, and nothing on Youtube seems to show the in depth preparation of them.




That is because all preperation methods work fine.



Quote:

The one thing that seems to be common between all of these is the temperature.

190 degrees, no higher than 212 degrees.




I disagree.  They really taste best when fried in butter at a temp higher than 212.


Quote:

The time for drying it like that varies from ten minutes to over an hour.




If you dry them they will taste awful.


Quote:

Not clear if meant to be dried in an oven or a pot of water.




Drying them in a pot of water sounds difficult and ineffective.



Quote:

After they're dried, they'll be edible as is though, correct?




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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19021720 - 10/23/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not clear if meant to be dried in an oven or a pot of water.




Drying them in a pot of water sounds difficult and ineffective.






Definitely. I tried it a couple of times. Did not work.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19021735 - 10/23/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for clearing that up.
Only reason I'm not considering eating them raw is due to the bug bites in the caps and stems.

And I'm a bit concerned about the taste and texture of the spores.

Also, if frying them in butter over 212 degrees, does it negatively impact the potency or kill off the desired chemical all together?


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19021756 - 10/23/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

correct me if I'm wrong, but if I wanted to eat these without the psychoactive effects, aren't the chemicals water soluble? couldn't they be prepared chopped, boiled for short period, then boiled again in a separate batch of water???


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19021770 - 10/23/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

boil for 15 mins dump the water then boil 10 mins....i think the last 10 mins isnt necessary tho :thumbup:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19021771 - 10/23/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks for clearing that up.
Only reason I'm not considering eating them raw is due to the bug bites in the caps and stems.

And I'm a bit concerned about the taste and texture of the spores.

Also, if frying them in butter over 212 degrees, does it negatively impact the potency or kill off the desired chemical all together?




Cooking them like frying in butter/garlic will provide a nice flavor, while also helping to cook out the muscarine content, which isn't really that significant anyways.  ARock makes a good point when he responds "Is cardboard edible?"

Also:


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correct me if I'm wrong, but if I wanted to eat these without the psychoactive effects, aren't the chemicals water soluble? couldn't they be prepared chopped, boiled for short period, then boiled again in a separate batch of water???




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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19021779 - 10/23/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If the desired chemicals are water soluble, then that would remove all water-based preparations from consideration in my situation.

I'm thinking the butter frying method may be the one I go with.

Oh, and rinsing them off won't have any negative effect on the desired chemicals, correct?


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021783 - 10/23/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no, it would be good to give it a quick rinse if there is debris on it.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021793 - 10/23/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

'desired' chemicals...hmm, welp, they're legal for a reason!
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: jet li]
    #19021800 - 10/23/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just taking every step in this with caution as I don't want to ruin the whole batch.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021812 - 10/23/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Many will agree that the best you could do is cook out the toxins, because they are a good edible, but the "Desirable" compounds is an ongoing debate. Some like but most don't.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: jet li]
    #19021824 - 10/23/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I, honestly, have never had a negative experience with anything other than Spice.

In fact, I find psychoactives to be medicinal to me while many people I know find them to be frightening.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19021853 - 10/23/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ibotenic acid / muscimol is different than the alkaloids you find in Psilocybian mushrooms.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: jet li]
    #19021885 - 10/23/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

also, save your pee after eat'n 'em...FREE "TRIP"


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Ganzig]
    #19021914 - 10/23/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They taste really nice.



:whathesaid:

Oh and what art said too! He sent a link to me of a guy eating amanita just for the flavor. Preparing them like art mentioned here :wink:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19021924 - 10/23/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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also, save your pee after eat'n 'em...FREE "TRIP"



Ive never had the balls to do this nor do o think I will ever lmao! I believ it to be 100% true tho! Water into wine baby!


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: xfsketch]
    #19021946 - 10/23/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Water into wine baby!




:rofl2:

hey OP! If you're dead set on eat'n 'em, save and drink your pee for trip #2 and dooo a trip report!

I hear the pee-trips are suppose to be much "cleaner"


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: xfsketch]
    #19021959 - 10/23/13 09:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Muscimol connects to many areas of your brain because it connects to GABA receptors which occur in several areas throughout your brain.  Just know that you can completely be taken over by too much of it, and lose complete control of yourself.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: jet li]
    #19021978 - 10/23/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19026165 - 10/24/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a babysitter prepared, eight of them washed up and nearly prepared.

I know they aren't like psilocybes, but I've always had a curiosity to Muscaria.

And I don't think I'll be drinking my own urine, I'm not Bear Grylls. xD

But I'm thinking of just frying them up properly to keep the psychoactive effects and then putting them into a Teriyaki bowl.
That seems to be the only thing in my house that'd actually go nicely with this, since I lack a coffee grinder to powder it with for the preparation of tea or masking it in yogurt or any other possible foods.

I've been researching the effects of these for a while now, I've just never looked into actually preparing them since I haven't found them until I moved to the coast just recently.

I find this to already be a pretty good spiritual experience and I haven't even consumed them yet.
Just letting them grow on my property and finding them and picking them and washing them gives off a mystical feeling.

I believe finding and preparing them myself will just enhance the experience, as I'll be more connected to them than if I just bought them off a dealer and took them for the high.

I plan to weigh them out and dose myself properly, if not a little under the normal starting dose at first.

Every step necessary will be taken with caution. Especially from this point on, now that they're practically ready for the cooking process.

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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19026786 - 10/24/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
I think they are best fried at high temperature in butter until golden brown, and then add a bit of salt and pepper.

Might be good with teriyaki.







I add shallots to mine... mmmmmm.

OP... I wouldn't ever suggest eating them raw, although some do. That can lead to very unpleasant side effects. Drying isn't worth the time or effort. If you want to preserve them, fry or sautee, or dip in spirits, then freeze. If you don't preserve them somehow before freezing, they'll still rot over time in the freezer, or so I've heard.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
    #19026828 - 10/24/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I know they aren't like psilocybes, but I've always had a curiosity to Muscaria.

They're not even psychedelics. What they do isn't really a trip in any way most psych users would recognize.

I plan to weigh them out and dose myself properly, if not a little under the normal starting dose at first.

do yourself a favor and start very small. There's no reason why you can't take more tomorrow. They don't agree with everyone, and some people absolutely hate the experience... I feel ok saying this since you won't get "the fear" the same way you would with normal trips. I strongly suggest taking a very small test dose your first time to see if you'll ever want to do it again at all.





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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: happyfunguy]
    #19026911 - 10/24/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I've never gotten "the fear" with muscaria, what I have gotten is an overwhelming nausea and feeling of shittiness like being seasick and drunk to the point of alcohol poisoning, accompanied by some weak-ass close eyed "visions" that are more like disoriented fever dreams than cool visuals. 

I do agree with Alan on the cooking prep though, you fry them 'til they get a bit of a butter crust and they have a kind of bacon-y umami flavor that is just delicious.  IMO, muscaria are far better for eating than for tripping.  I've got a few in the fridge that I'm going to try parboiling to see if I can get the enjoyment of eating them without the displeasure of their awful trip. :lmafo:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19027872 - 10/24/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Eating poisonous mushrooms is not condoned :shrug:

With that said...

Speak of the devil! this morning, I found the biggest patch of these things (a. musc. var. flavivolvata)

along with 1 puny a. jacksonii and 2 beautiful amanita the-white-ones-that-will-kill-yo-assii


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19028289 - 10/24/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Daanng! Death caps eh MonkeyJesusFresco?


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19028422 - 10/24/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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All are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata.  There are no other orange to red Amanitas on the west coast.






Is this true about the west coast???

-So there are no Straight Amanita muscaria (var. muscaria)?
...and there are not Amanita muscaria var. guessowii?

This goes against everything I have read about Amanita muscarias and their locals.

maybe i am reading outdated material?

Cant mycology taxonomy just sit still for a bit... all this changing up and shifting around is hard to keep up with :frown:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: rev0kadavur] * 1
    #19028437 - 10/24/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Cant mycology taxonomy just sit still for a bit... all this changing up and shifting around is hard to keep up with :frown:




I wish. No, it will not be doing that any time in the near term, but at least where things are settling is going to put them in a more stable place in the long term.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: rev0kadavur]
    #19028681 - 10/24/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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All are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata.  There are no other orange to red Amanitas on the west coast.






Is this true about the west coast???

-So there are no Straight Amanita muscaria (var. muscaria)?
...and there are not Amanita muscaria var. guessowii?

This goes against everything I have read about Amanita muscarias and their locals.

maybe i am reading outdated material?

Cant mycology taxonomy just sit still for a bit... all this changing up and shifting around is hard to keep up with :frown:




I've read that technically all North American muscarias are the same species: A. amermuscaria.  The color variance thing is just slight regional differences like hair color in people, and there are deeper genetic differences between muscarias of the same color from different continents than the ones of different color from the same.  :shrug:  But yeah, taxonomy switches around a bit much for everybody who isn't making a career out of writing paper that switch around the taxonomy.  :lol:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: xfsketch]
    #19029926 - 10/25/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Daanng! Death caps eh MonkeyJesusFresco?




To be honest, they were white amanitas (egg and all) deathly or not
I just assume all white amanitas are "deathy" :shrug:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: MonkeyJesusFresco]
    #19029939 - 10/25/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Daanng! Death caps eh MonkeyJesusFresco?




To be honest, they were white amanitas (egg and all) deathly or not
I just assume all white amanitas are "deathy" :shrug:




Fair enough. :thumbup:


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
    #19034739 - 10/26/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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rev0kadavur said:
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Alan Rockefeller said:

All are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata.  There are no other orange to red Amanitas on the west coast.






Is this true about the west coast???

-So there are no Straight Amanita muscaria (var. muscaria)?
...and there are not Amanita muscaria var. guessowii?

This goes against everything I have read about Amanita muscarias and their locals.

maybe i am reading outdated material?

Cant mycology taxonomy just sit still for a bit... all this changing up and shifting around is hard to keep up with :frown:




I've read that technically all North American muscarias are the same species: A. amermuscaria.  The color variance thing is just slight regional differences like hair color in people, and there are deeper genetic differences between muscarias of the same color from different continents than the ones of different color from the same.  :shrug:  But yeah, taxonomy switches around a bit much for everybody who isn't making a career out of writing paper that switch around the taxonomy.  :lol:




Believe it or not, North American Amanita muscaria phylogeny is still unresolved...

Amanita muscaria subsp. flavivolvata is not the only red-capped Amanita on the west coast. The Eurasian Amanita muscaria subsp. muscaria occurs from western Alaska and maybe down to the PNW.

A. muscaria var. guessowii grows in the east to about Michigan and supposedly isn't genetically separable from flavivolvata.

A. amerimuscaria is a confusing provisional name applied to A. muscaria subsp. flavivolvata to which A. muscaria var. guessowii can be considered a "yellow form", neither of which can be truly assigned to A. muscaria.

We also have Amanita muscaria var. persicina from the southeast.

Cap color in this group isn't necessarily indicative of phylogenetic differences.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #19034873 - 10/26/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Amanita muscaria var persicina is being separated from muscaria, isn't it?


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: art2312]
    #19034909 - 10/26/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amanita muscaria var persicina is being separated from muscaria, isn't it?



I don't know that anyone is actively working on that project. There's only a handful of people that are both qualified AND inclined to do such things.


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #19035603 - 10/26/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh ok...wow, so it wont be changed anytime soon...


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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #19035731 - 10/26/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amanita muscaria var persicina is being separated from muscaria, isn't it?



I don't know that anyone is actively working on that project. There's only a handful of people that are both qualified AND inclined to do such things.





If there were a handful of people both qualified and inclined, it would be done by now.  There a handful of people qualified, but as far as I know, none are working on it at the moment.

Regarding the west coast, what I should have said is that Amanita muscaria sensu lato is the only red Amanita.  It is not necessary to view the base of the stipe or even the underside to know if it is safe-ish for consumption.


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