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trainerr3d
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Muscaria or Flavoconia?
#19020404 - 10/23/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A friend of mine found all these on the Oregon Coast, some grew under a mail box, most of them grew under trees.
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MrMagicMushroom
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19020412 - 10/23/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shitty picture, but A. Muscaria
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trainerr3d
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Are they all Muscaria? Some are a bit more yellow than the others.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19020505 - 10/23/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A better pic would confirm it...with all the stem bases clearly visible
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: art2312]
#19020528 - 10/23/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amanita muscaria subsp. flavivolvata
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trainerr3d
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19021190 - 10/23/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The subspecicies being Flaviolvata does not mean it's effects would be different, correct?
And my friend is wondering if these are too immature in the picture to be taken for psychoactive effects, or if the maturity matters much for that purpose.
Also, if they have been touched by insects [I've heard positive and negative things], do the mushrooms become inactive or dangerous?
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19021222 - 10/23/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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trainerr3d said: Are they all Muscaria?
All are Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata. There are no other orange to red Amanitas on the west coast.
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trainerr3d said: The subspecicies being Flaviolvata does not mean it's effects would be different, correct?
And my friend is wondering if these are too immature in the picture to be taken for psychoactive effects, or if the maturity matters much for that purpose.
Also, if they have been touched by insects [I've heard positive and negative things], do the mushrooms become inactive or dangerous?
The effects are pretty much the same as all the other muscaroid / gemmatoid / pantherinoid taxa.
There is no such thing as one that is too immature for psychoactive effects. The maturity does not matter much for that purpose. What matters is how much you eat, and how strong your stomach is. If your stomach is not that strong you will throw up.
Insects are good for you and will not give you any problems. Bacteria can cause problems, and insects can lead to bacteria. Do not eat rotting mushrooms.
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trainerr3d
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Alright, thank you all for the information. My friend's a bit new to all of this and when my friend saw them growing in his yard, they wanted a bit more information on them before just diving in.
Better safe than dead.
Any preparation tips? Not sure if my friend's willing to eat them raw or if they have all the proper tools to make it into a tea.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19021296 - 10/23/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think they are best fried at high temperature in butter until golden brown, and then add a bit of salt and pepper.
Might be good with teriyaki.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19021321 - 10/23/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also they are completely legal. Lol.
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trainerr3d
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: jet li]
#19021464 - 10/23/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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YEAH I JUST REALIZED THEY'RE COMPLETELY LEGAL.
Well shit, now I just need to find out a good way to prepare these without killing the desirable chemicals.
I'm just not exactly sure if I want to eat them or if I want to actually attempt making them into a tea. Hard to decide when I'm not sure how they taste either way.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19021525 - 10/23/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: I think they are best fried at high temperature in butter until golden brown, and then add a bit of salt and pepper.
Might be good with teriyaki.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19021526 - 10/23/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They taste really nice.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Ganzig]
#19021595 - 10/23/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I trust that they taste good, SWIM claims cubes taste like chocolate. SWIM also likes the taste of certain other plants, as well.
Anyway, I was reading the preparation page on this site and the instructions weren't really all too clear, and nothing on Youtube seems to show the in depth preparation of them.
The one thing that seems to be common between all of these is the temperature.
190 degrees, no higher than 212 degrees. The time for drying it like that varies from ten minutes to over an hour. Not clear if meant to be dried in an oven or a pot of water.
After they're dried, they'll be edible as is though, correct?
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: trainerr3d]
#19021693 - 10/23/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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trainerr3d said: I trust that they taste good, SWIM claims cubes taste like chocolate. SWIM also likes the taste of certain other plants, as well.
SWIM = Someone Who Is Me?
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Anyway, I was reading the preparation page on this site and the instructions weren't really all too clear, and nothing on Youtube seems to show the in depth preparation of them.
That is because all preperation methods work fine.
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The one thing that seems to be common between all of these is the temperature.
190 degrees, no higher than 212 degrees.
I disagree. They really taste best when fried in butter at a temp higher than 212.
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The time for drying it like that varies from ten minutes to over an hour.
If you dry them they will taste awful.
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Not clear if meant to be dried in an oven or a pot of water.
Drying them in a pot of water sounds difficult and ineffective.
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After they're dried, they'll be edible as is though, correct?
Is cardboard edible?
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Ganzig
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Quote:
Alan Rockefeller said:
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Not clear if meant to be dried in an oven or a pot of water.
Drying them in a pot of water sounds difficult and ineffective.
Definitely. I tried it a couple of times. Did not work.
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Re: Muscaria or Flavoconia? [Re: Ganzig]
#19021735 - 10/23/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up. Only reason I'm not considering eating them raw is due to the bug bites in the caps and stems.
And I'm a bit concerned about the taste and texture of the spores.
Also, if frying them in butter over 212 degrees, does it negatively impact the potency or kill off the desired chemical all together?
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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correct me if I'm wrong, but if I wanted to eat these without the psychoactive effects, aren't the chemicals water soluble? couldn't they be prepared chopped, boiled for short period, then boiled again in a separate batch of water???
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art2312
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boil for 15 mins dump the water then boil 10 mins....i think the last 10 mins isnt necessary tho
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jet li
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Quote:
trainerr3d said: Thanks for clearing that up. Only reason I'm not considering eating them raw is due to the bug bites in the caps and stems.
And I'm a bit concerned about the taste and texture of the spores.
Also, if frying them in butter over 212 degrees, does it negatively impact the potency or kill off the desired chemical all together?
Cooking them like frying in butter/garlic will provide a nice flavor, while also helping to cook out the muscarine content, which isn't really that significant anyways. ARock makes a good point when he responds "Is cardboard edible?"
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MonkeyJesusFresco said: correct me if I'm wrong, but if I wanted to eat these without the psychoactive effects, aren't the chemicals water soluble? couldn't they be prepared chopped, boiled for short period, then boiled again in a separate batch of water???
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