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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19031817 - 10/25/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Which is why we need more regulation to keep company's from sending jobs overseas for cheap labor.




Never going to happen, the profits are too high. I'm in favor of tariffs, but the R and D machine never even allows for debate on this subject.

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Minimum wage should also increase with inflation. $2-3 dollars an hour  in america would lead to a revolt. No one can survive on those wages here in America.




That is the economic reality, do you think working in China for .50 to $1.00 per hour is fun?  They do it, they have no choice.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19031822 - 10/25/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've never received  government assistance in my life. I bet you think that because I'm black.
It's just a simple truth that if your not being paid enough from your job to support your family, the only way for you to survive is to receive government assistance.  You can call those people all kinds of nasty things, but it is  beyond shameful to mock those less fortunate then yourself.  Only fools blame the poor for the worlds problems.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19031829 - 10/25/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alot of workers overseas actually make alot more than would if they had stayed on the small farms many of them left to get a better life in the city. Sure the wages our low for our standards but things also cost less overseas many of the workers are happy to provide for their family and become part the growing global middle class.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: qman]
    #19031831 - 10/25/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of corse they don't enjoy it. Why do you think they installed suicide nets on those Foxconn factories?
The cost of living in china however is allot less then in America.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420] * 1
    #19031903 - 10/25/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've never received  government assistance in my life. I bet you think that because I'm black.




You seem to be asking for it.
I had no idea that you were a Negro.  Don't really give a shit, either.  Panhandling bums are panhandling bums no matter what color they are
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It's just a simple truth that if your not being paid enough from your job to support your family, the only way for you to survive is to receive government assistance.  You can call those people all kinds of nasty things, but it is  beyond shameful to mock those less fortunate then yourself.  Only fools blame the poor for the worlds problems.




Are you intellectually incapable of answering the questions posed?.

In what way do you think I am "fortunate"?  Because I didn't have a shit load of babies?

Should the living wage be determined by how many children you have?


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19031969 - 10/25/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Smokey420 said:
I've never received  government assistance in my life. I bet you think that because I'm black.




You seem to be asking for it.
I had no idea that you were a Negro.  Don't really give a shit, either.  Panhandling bums are panhandling bums no matter what color they are
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It's just a simple truth that if your not being paid enough from your job to support your family, the only way for you to survive is to receive government assistance.  You can call those people all kinds of nasty things, but it is  beyond shameful to mock those less fortunate then yourself.  Only fools blame the poor for the worlds problems.




Are you intellectually incapable of answering the questions posed?.

In what way do you think I am "fortunate"?  Because I didn't have a shit load of babies?

Should the living wage be determined by how many children you have?




I don't give serious answers to racist old men who think families should starve on the street.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19032007 - 10/25/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Of corse they don't enjoy it. Why do you think they installed suicide nets on those Foxconn factories?
The cost of living in china however is allot less then in America.



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Smokey420 said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Smokey420 said:
I've never received  government assistance in my life. I bet you think that because I'm black.




You seem to be asking for it.
I had no idea that you were a Negro.  Don't really give a shit, either.  Panhandling bums are panhandling bums no matter what color they are
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It's just a simple truth that if your not being paid enough from your job to support your family, the only way for you to survive is to receive government assistance.  You can call those people all kinds of nasty things, but it is  beyond shameful to mock those less fortunate then yourself.  Only fools blame the poor for the worlds problems.




Are you intellectually incapable of answering the questions posed?.

In what way do you think I am "fortunate"?  Because I didn't have a shit load of babies?

Should the living wage be determined by how many children you have?




I don't give serious answers to racist old men who think families should starve on the street.



Do you agree that the national association of colored people is racist?


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19032044 - 10/25/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd rather not get into a race discussion with a bunch of white folks.  But I will answer your question . No. I do think BET is incredibly racist tho.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Smokey420]
    #19032068 - 10/25/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd rather not get into a race discussion with a bunch of white folks.  But I will answer your question . No. I do think BET is incredibly racist tho.



I agree that BET is pretty bad.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19032081 - 10/25/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I will say that the NACP is far from perfect, and needs reform.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19032100 - 10/25/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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how do you define a living wage? I make $15 dollars an hour. Is that a living wage in your opinion? I'd barely get by in san francisco yet i would thrive and have more than enough in some of the cheaper areas in the country. So i ask you, what is a living wage? How can you norm the entire country into one catch all number?

And instead of creating regulation and forcing people to keep jobs here wouldn't it be better to simply make is more appealing to do business here? That would have the benefit of keeping jobs here AND attracting oversee's jobs.

And what no one seems to mention about those oversees jobs where people make a lot less is that the cost of living is extraordinarily low in places like india and china. Sure they make a lot less but it costs $90 a month in india to rent an apartment on average.




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Alot of workers overseas actually make alot more than would if they had stayed on the small farms many of them left to get a better life in the city. Sure the wages our low for our standards but things also cost less overseas many of the workers are happy to provide for their family and become part the growing global middle class.




All this implies is that since a) companies will hire whoever they can pay the least, b) the ones who will accept the least pay have much lower standards of living than the developed world, then c) the only way to incentivize companies to stop hiring overseas workers is to incentivize American workers to accept the same pay rate as workers in India and China, therefore d) we must make the standard of living in the US as low as it is in India or China.

Oooor we can just at least regulate businesses from hiring overseas workers.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: TalesfromtheTrypt] * 1
    #19032555 - 10/25/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OR we can achieve higher standards of living AND bring jobs back. There was a time in america where we paid the highest wages in the world yet were still a net exporter.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19032791 - 10/25/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OR we can achieve higher standards of living AND bring jobs back. There was a time in america where we paid the highest wages in the world yet were still a net exporter.




Yes that is true, but large corporations also had smaller profit margins as a result.

The distribution of wealth has continued to accelerate to the top 1/10 of 1%, even more so since the financial collapse of 2008.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: qman]
    #19032844 - 10/25/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

interesting how throughout time the more government regulation we see the more income inequality we see...


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19032862 - 10/25/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Smokey420 said:
I've never received  government assistance in my life. I bet you think that because I'm black.




You seem to be asking for it.
I had no idea that you were a Negro.  Don't really give a shit, either.  Panhandling bums are panhandling bums no matter what color they are
Quote:


It's just a simple truth that if your not being paid enough from your job to support your family, the only way for you to survive is to receive government assistance.  You can call those people all kinds of nasty things, but it is  beyond shameful to mock those less fortunate then yourself.  Only fools blame the poor for the worlds problems.




Are you intellectually incapable of answering the questions posed?.

In what way do you think I am "fortunate"?  Because I didn't have a shit load of babies?

Should the living wage be determined by how many children you have?




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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19033170 - 10/25/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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interesting how throughout time the more government regulation we see the more income inequality we see...




So do you want income inequality or not?


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: viktor] * 1
    #19033310 - 10/25/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
interesting how throughout time the more government regulation we see the more income inequality we see...




So do you want income inequality or not?



i believe that a free market and less government intrusion will mean that prosperity will increase for everyone.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: psyconaught]
    #19033431 - 10/25/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

'Highley skilled jobs are leaving the country....they can do anything the US can"

I remember about 1990, they said the Japanese would spell an end to the US semiconductor industry, specifically computer/microprocessor innovation, by about 2010.

Hmmm....when I was in graduate school, 2 years past, in VLSI design, it was stated that Intel Corporation in the US was about 20~30 years ahead of any foreign competitor in semiconductor technology. 

Of course one reason is--that people in the US don't know--is that there are now high-tech resources and technologies that the US government forbids to be moved out, and the companies don't want to move them out either.

One example is wafer fabrication, the small gate-width processes aren't allowed to leave the US because the foreign countries will steal the tech.  Any technology that is shipped out of the country is near obsolete.

Its ridiculously easy to get a job if you have the right skill set.  It took me a month to find my current job.

I make some bank too.  Now, if you want to go ahead and work putting bolts on wheels, or sweeping floors--I'm NOT saying that all work is not dignified, because I respect someone who works hard at labor--don't expect your job to be safe, and don't expect to make money like a design engineer. 

Expect a salary that is commensurate with the demand for your skill set.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: viktor]
    #19036431 - 10/26/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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viktor said:
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psyconaught said:
interesting how throughout time the more government regulation we see the more income inequality we see...




So do you want income inequality or not?



I want to stop gearing about it.  It's fucking stupid.  If Jamie Dimon makes less money you will not make more.


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Re: Libertarian discussions (both for and against) [Re: viktor]
    #19038836 - 10/27/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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viktor said:
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psyconaught said:
interesting how throughout time the more government regulation we see the more income inequality we see...




So do you want income inequality or not?





Name me one system that has had 'income equality'  That is a buzzword for a redistribution system where the only ones left rich are the elitists who run the show.

Where does 'income equality' end?  If they preach 'income equality' well fine.  I want a fucking jet plane like Obama, and be able to fly around to exotic golf course, take vacations when I want, and have movie stars and bands over to the house to jam while I party down.

If we have income equality, why can't I have the same thing that Obama has?  :smirk:


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