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Kalypto
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Gretchenmeister]
#19014926 - 10/22/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gretchenmeister said: Yeah I might not have messed with them so much, can take a week or more to see pins. I notice your tubs are on the ground... in general it is recommended you keep your projects at least three feet above grounds surface, as the nastiest of contams float around in this region usually.
Good to know I will try to adjust accordingly I have one metal rack I want like .... four more 
Wow good to know. Should I consolidate ? I feel like I get good flushes this way
Edited by Kalypto (10/22/13 05:49 PM)
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19014967 - 10/22/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pasteurization is between 140-160 try that next time.
Bulk doesn't need to consolidate since CVG is not high nutrition like BRF. a few day consolidation of bulk substrate wont hurt anything though.
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: bodhisatta]
#19014993 - 10/22/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good to know , so stopping wasnt bad right now.
Edited by Kalypto (10/23/13 07:39 AM)
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19017836 - 10/23/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck my life I got another contamination
What do you think the chances they all fail are ?
so far 3 or 5
This contam seems small and I do need these
Should I just spray with bleach
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19018032 - 10/23/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: Fuck my life I got another contamination
What do you think the chances they all fail are ?
so far 3 or 5
This contam seems small and I do need these
Should I just spray with bleach
Well what's the contaminant? A TC would tell you never to try to fuck with a sporulating mold, in the words of RR, "unless you want to stop practicing this hobby until you move to another location."
If I needed the fruit and it was a bacterial contaminant, I would cut out a nice chunk around it. Some people have success with excision; some would prefer to also use a bleach/alcohol drip for the duration of the flush. None are really good options, so there's not a whole lot of information that I've found comparing their merits.
These procedures might also work for molds before sporulation, but I'm not really even sure how that works. Does a mold colony begin sporulation simultaneously? Or could there be little pockets sporulating before the colony turns color? These are things I don't know.
If all at once, I imagine there's not too much harm in excision/drip therapy. If there might be sections of the colony sporulating too small to see as a color yet, it would still be quite dangerous (in regards to future cultivation).
Edited by retaardvark (10/23/13 09:07 AM)
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: retaardvark]
#19018041 - 10/23/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its trich , I took it outside And sprayed some bleach and sealed , Its in my living room now as I dont trust it near my other tubs
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19018314 - 10/23/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's toast. Toss it. Start over.
I would not trust your pasteurization technique. Although CVG is contam resistant, it is not contam proof.
180F for 2-3 hours is not considered proper pasteurization. The core of the sub needs to be 140-170
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
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FrankHorrigan said: Once the substrate hits 140F, start a timer for 60 minutes...
If the temp goes over 165-170 for more than a few minutes, you will sterilize part of the substrate. It'd be best to toss it and try again. Since we spawn to bulk in open air, a partially sterilized substrate is often as shitty as an unpasteurized substrate.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18784975#18784975
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FrankHorrigan said: Pasteurization is not just heating the core temperature of the substrate to 140-160F for 60-90 minutes. Proper pasteurization is also rapidly cooling the substrate after the pasteurization time has elapsed.
Those temps refer to the core of the substrate.
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19019806 - 10/23/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: It's toast. Toss it. Start over.
I would not trust your pasteurization technique. Although CVG is contam resistant, it is not contam proof.
180F for 2-3 hours is not considered proper pasteurization. The core of the sub needs to be 140-170
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
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FrankHorrigan said: Once the substrate hits 140F, start a timer for 60 minutes...
If the temp goes over 165-170 for more than a few minutes, you will sterilize part of the substrate. It'd be best to toss it and try again. Since we spawn to bulk in open air, a partially sterilized substrate is often as shitty as an unpasteurized substrate.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18784975#18784975
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FrankHorrigan said: Pasteurization is not just heating the core temperature of the substrate to 140-160F for 60-90 minutes. Proper pasteurization is also rapidly cooling the substrate after the pasteurization time has elapsed.
Those temps refer to the core of the substrate.
Pretty sure I already said that I would be switching to franks timing not sure though
Just got me a probe thermometer for it
Edited by Kalypto (10/23/13 02:58 PM)
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19019859 - 10/23/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I over looked it, my bad.
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19019887 - 10/23/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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No stress So basically since I do a pillow case at a time If my center hit 160 unless its 160 in the box the outside will be hotter and steralized
So I would want to let the center hit about 145 and wait as too not burn the outside essentially
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19020003 - 10/23/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's all about the core. If the outer edges gets sterile, that's okay as long as the core does not go above pasteurization temps.
I think I would have a difficult time doing this the way you do. I like to have field capacity before I start pasteurizing and adding steam might make it too wet. 
CVG is pretty forgiving though. Your contam issue is likely due to your spawn. Proper pasteurization is a good step for troubleshooting.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18461535#18461535
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FrankHorrigan said: Actaully ... I have found that I prefer to let the water boil when bringing the core to 140-160F.
The bacteria you want will thrive in the center of the substrate while everything else begins to die at 170F+ on the outer areas. While cooling and especially while spawning, this bacteria will propagate and take hold of the whole substrate as it should.
I would venture to guess it might even be easier for the thermophiles to spread if the outer parts of the sub get excessively heated.
The key is to not go over 160-165F at the core of the substrate for more than a few minutes. That, with temps in the center held between 140-160 for 60-90min and you have a well-prepared substrate ready for open air spawning.
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Edited by SpitballJedi (10/23/13 03:41 PM)
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19020068 - 10/23/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perfect answer , Although I find no matter what water content I put my substrate in with it always comes out perfectly saturated (when you can squeeze a hand full and just a couple drops come out) i think that the right level
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19020118 - 10/23/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19020196 - 10/23/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep looks good to me though I'm no expert. Also mine took more than two weeks to colonize then finally decided to pin right on it's own and all is looking well right now. Parts of it seem to be consolidating while it's pinning, too.
Patience is key yo! Patience and good vibes
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: jackalope9517]
#19020236 - 10/23/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Normally Im like fuck It I have all the time in the world but this time I dont
Thank you for the vibes hahah
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19021068 - 10/23/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tuned my tubs and got pins woooo
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: Kalypto]
#19021461 - 10/23/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: Tuned my tubs and got pins woooo
Tuned?.. o.O
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Re: Problems : Tubs wont pin , Contam starting to take over [Re: jackalope9517]
#19021471 - 10/23/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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For proper air flow and humidity
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