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SydFloyd

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Can you do it without psychedelics?
#19019114 - 10/23/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you make it without using psychedelic drugs?...you know what im talking about expaning your mind,sacrificing of your ego and anger,living and being aware of the presence and reality and becoming a man of peace and love and stuff... is there a natural way to do it?because i cant find any psydrugs and also because im curious i guess you can do it by meditation and having a happy lifestyle without worries ive been depressed for some time and when i started meditating i got out of depression,been happier in general,expressing myself easier,im controlling and organizing myself now and everything is better even tho still about 5 months of meditating i still get the depression and social anxiety back sometimes and i still have problems expressing myself sometimes so i guess it need some time... wat do u think?
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19019130 - 10/23/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need a kick in the psyche usually to trigger the "awakening" "shift" whatever you call it. This can happen with meditation, Near death experiences, dreaming practices, breathwork, sensory deprivation,
Also psychedelic drugs as far as the shamanistic ones are very easily to legally acquire, its the more recreational ones that are elusive to someone outside the "know"
Go to some fests, ask around, open yourself up.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19019162 - 10/23/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I understand what you mean. I believe that experience is the best teacher. This experience can possibly be achieved by meditating, strong belief in something, maybe in near death experiences etc. I believe you can achieve the bliss in meditation similar to a psychedelic experience, but I don't know. By just trying to convince yourself into such a life you're describing, is it then really legit or only a simulation? Who knows. I at least couldn't do it but then again I'm incredibly inpatient.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19019176 - 10/23/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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solo11
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: bulipap]
#19019211 - 10/23/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, years of diligent meditation practice, it basically is the same process as a therepeutic trip. Go to some vipassana courses, ten day retreats for free, and tell me that doesn't line right up. Have u ever heard some of these guys from Tibet talk about spending YEARS alone meditating on a mountain in silence, they reach the ego death state, and they can reach concious control over it, both do essentially the same thing, peel back layers, untie habitual knots and release anything repressed mentally and physically. And both "end" in the same place, Buddhism and psychadelics are very similar. Meditation requires deligence, practice, focus, all are learned, the drugs just force u there whether your ready or not, a vipassana course is far more rewarding, and essentially the same thing, and the teachings are free. Look it up. Also, maybe check out the book dharma punx. About basically punks who get into the vipassana thing, can't actually say much, as it was just given to me, however so far it seems very entertaining and a good read, maybe a little bit on the same subject, but leaning towards the more spiritual side of things, just a thought.
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s240779

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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: solo11]
#19019234 - 10/23/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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solo11 said: Buddhism and psychadelics are very similar. Meditation requires deligence, practice, focus, all are learned, the drugs just force u there whether your ready or not, a vipassana course is far more rewarding, and essentially the same thing, and the teachings are free. Look it up.
Indeed. I've heard several practitioners directly compare the two. These opinions are included in my link above. Here's one brief example:
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
#19019270 - 10/23/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some say you can get a lot higher without drugs than with them, but I've had no such luck.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: Deemstar]
#19019342 - 10/23/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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@Deemstar yeah i guess its possible but you have to become a fucking tibetian mystic,guru,yogi,enlightned,buddha,whatever to do it
youtube.com/watch?v=-S2wAjLwNUs
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s240779

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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
#19019362 - 10/23/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some of these people allege that psychedelics are bad to take. This man, for example:
LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
#19019894 - 10/23/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes.
I spent the past year looking for answers and found them during my last trip.
The answers don't go away when your done tripping. But your brain works differently when your done tripping so it can be hard to harness that enlightenment.
It is possible however.
I have lived without ego since my last trip and have been different ever since. its more than just the ego death though. Its a freedom I really cant explain, you have to just experience it.
I worry about nothing I fear nothing. I feel no shame no regret,
nothing but acceptance and love.
Even when some random thing triggers my human brain to associate "negative" memories, I accept them, I address them, and let them go.
So to answer your question, yes it is possible.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: Vagrant42791]
#19020027 - 10/23/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can do it without yeah, but it is indisputable that psychs are the most efficient and quickest method to seeing through the illusion of reality. It's just such a kick in the face, you can't miss it.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: s240779]
#19020126 - 10/23/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Da2ra said: Some of these people allege that psychedelics are bad to take. This man, for example:
LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi
thanks for the link , good read
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s240779

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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: Al_Killiya]
#19020202 - 10/23/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure. I posted a link to whole bunch of those types of evaluations of psychedelics in the first post of mine in this thread. And that document is included in the link.
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s240779

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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: Al_Killiya]
#19084166 - 11/04/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Al_Killiya said:
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Da2ra said: Some of these people allege that psychedelics are bad to take. This man, for example:
LSD: A Shortcut to False Samadhi
thanks for the link , good read
So do you think he substantiated his recommendation to "don't take LSD again"?
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19084201 - 11/04/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can do it without psychedelics through meditation, I've found self-inquiry to be the best meditation for "expanding your mind, sacrificing of your ego and anger, living and being aware of the presence and reality and becoming a man of peace and love and stuff"
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: Chronic7]
#19084350 - 11/04/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would say no, because low doses allows me to exercise more and have sharper mind without hallucinations. Also it helps with learning meditation and can speed up the process to being able to do it sober, so for me I would be sad for a while if psychs were gone.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19085228 - 11/04/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19085819 - 11/04/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SydFloyd said: Can you make it without using psychedelic drugs?...you know what im talking about expaning your mind,sacrificing of your ego and anger,living and being aware of the presence and reality and becoming a man of peace and love and stuff... is there a natural way to do it?because i cant find any psydrugs and also because im curious i guess you can do it by meditation and having a happy lifestyle without worries ive been depressed for some time and when i started meditating i got out of depression,been happier in general,expressing myself easier,im controlling and organizing myself now and everything is better even tho still about 5 months of meditating i still get the depression and social anxiety back sometimes and i still have problems expressing myself sometimes so i guess it need some time... wat do u think?
Of course you can - it's what I do almost all of the time. But tripping a lot really helped me get there, so overall, if you want to play in the garden, you kind of have to smell the flowers. 
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Some say you can get a lot higher without drugs than with them, but I've had no such luck.
People say a lot of things. I've done both, and there's no difference ultimately. But I like tripping better because it's more directly productive.
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: SydFloyd]
#19085832 - 11/04/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SydFloyd said: you know what im talking about expaning your mind,sacrificing of your ego and anger,living and being aware of the presence and reality and becoming a man of peace and love and stuff...
Well I think I do all of these things but I've also tripped a bunch of times so 
I think I'll be able to continue on this path if I quit tripping, but I'm not going to stop soon so I guess I won't know
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Re: Can you do it without psychedelics? [Re: Sheekle]
#19086281 - 11/04/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just gotta say you totally can! Pshycs just really help you see what you are experiencing to help you analyse it. You could be living pshydelicly your whole life and just not of known it. Sometimes we just need to see something to believe it. Its odd eh? I've always felt my whole life that something had been pulling me to try pshys like it was in me the whole time..

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