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US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet * 8
    #19017519 - 10/23/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet
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Public opinion on pot legalization appears to have crossed a major threshold: For the first time, a Gallup poll found that a solid majority of American adults supports making marijuana legal.

Fifty-eight percent of Americans say the drug should be legal, according to Gallup's latest survey, compared with 39 percent who oppose legalization. The other 3 percent had no opinion.

When Gallup first asked about pot in 1969, only 12 percent favored marijuana legalization. That weed-backing minority grew to 28 percent by 1977 and then stagnated for two decades before starting to steadily pick up more supporters around the year 2000. [Trippy Tales: The History of 8 Hallucinogens]

As far as Gallup's surveys go, public support for pot legalization hit a previous record high of 50 percent in 2011. Last year, 48 percent of Americans told the polling organization that they supported legalization.

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Self-described Independents have driven the most recent changes in public opinion, with 62 percent now in favor of pot legalization, up from 50 percent in November last year. Democrats and Republicans remain divided on the issue; 65 percent of Democrats favor making marijuana legal, while just 35 percent of Republicans said the same.

Younger Americans, ages 18 to 29, are more likely to support legalizing pot than any other age group, with 67 percent in favor. Americans 65 and older are the only age group with a majority (53 percent) opposing pot legalization.

Marijuana is currently legal for medical use in more than 15 U.S. states, including California, Arizona and Maine. Most patients need to obtain a prescription for the drug from their doctors and buy the drug from dispensaries.

Recreational marijuana sales, meanwhile, are set to begin in Colorado and Washington as early as January 2014 after both states passed ballot initiatives in 2012 to legalize weed. Earlier this year, the Department of Justice announced it would not challenge those laws, as long as the states follow strict sale and distribution rules.

The acceptance of marijuana use over the past four decades could be attributed to changing social mores, Gallup researchers said.

"The increasing prevalence of medical marijuana as a socially acceptable way to alleviate symptoms of diseases such as arthritis, and as a way to mitigate side effects of chemotherapy, may have also contributed to Americans' growing support," Gallup officials wrote, adding that the changing tide in public opinion on pot will likely spur further legalization measures.

The latest survey was conducted from Oct. 3 to 6, 2013, using phone interviews with a random sample of 1,028 adults, ages 18 and older, Gallup said.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Ythan]
    #19017529 - 10/23/13 03:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's like the people that oppose have their brains plugged into some news outlet somewhere and can't make any assumptions on their own.:facepalm:


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Konyap]
    #19017688 - 10/23/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
It's like the people that oppose have their brains plugged into some news outlet somewhere and can't make any assumptions on their own.:facepalm:




It really depends on how the question is worded in the survey on how some people will respond. It also doesn't allow people to express their opinion in why they think it shouldn't be legallized, that makes a difference too.

I am sure a small percentage of those opposed to legallization are opposed to it because they believe that if pot is legallized that the industry will eventually be taken over by the tobacco companies, the process industrialized, and the market would be flooded with marijuana cigarettes full of harsh chemicals the way that the tobacco industry was 100+ years ago.

Personally I think marijuana is definitely safe enough for legallization but I am very, very weary of what the end result would be. I am much more in support of complete decriminalization so that production stays on the small scale ensuring high quality bud instead of full legallization that would inevitably result in a flood of extremely cheap, alterred, and mass produced low-midquality cigarette style distribution.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Smushroom] * 1
    #19017734 - 10/23/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but you can harvest a marijuana plant yourself

you can't really just start extracting stuff from a tobacco plant


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Konyap]
    #19017870 - 10/23/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:awebigvaped: :omgawesome:

The politicians are going to have to wake up and smell the bacon.

Maybe the tea party/conservative Republicans will hop on this (doubtful), but with their small government mentality and low public opinion their party in the recent years. John McCain came out with his support recently...its only a matter of time.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Smushroom] * 2
    #19017919 - 10/23/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Smushroom said:
Personally I think marijuana is definitely safe enough for legallization but I am very, very weary of what the end result would be. I am much more in support of complete decriminalization so that production stays on the small scale ensuring high quality bud instead of full legallization that would inevitably result in a flood of extremely cheap, alterred, and mass produced low-midquality cigarette style distribution.



:facepalm:

The whole "if it's legalized THE CORPORATIONS WILL GET IT MAAAAAAAN" is such a dumb argument. You can get all-natural cigarettes and tobacco (not that they're necessarily better for you), plus you can always grow your own when it's legal.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: NetDiver]
    #19017961 - 10/23/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying that it will completely turn to that because of the myriad of ways you can consume marijuana and everyone has a personal preference. However you have to be pretty naive to not think that it won't play a role.

You can grow your own tobacco, process it, and smoke it by rolling your own cigarettes, using a pipe, chewing, dipping, etc. The reason people don't, because it is more convient to just go buy pre-packaged cigarettes.

It is a lot cheaper and quite a bit more efficient to grow huge fields of mediocre quality pot plants than it is to grow an equal portion of high quality plants. Right now shitty pot is shitty but if it can be processed on an industrial scale, have various chemicals removed and/or added to the point that shitty pot turned into marijuana cigarettes tastes similar to high quality pot then a large portion of people will turn to that.

I would have to say a majority of pot smokers nationwide would pick cheaper mj cigarettes over higher priced good bud. This would drive the price of good weed down which in turn would make it far less profitable to grow it. This would make high end pot a niche market.

Yes people could grow their own but when given the option to just go to the store and buy it versus growing your own, 99% of people will go to the store.

When marijuana is legallized it needs to be done in a way to benefit small time growers and not allow corporate america to take over. However corporate america will be the ones lobbying lawmakers to make it easier for them to achieve their goals. It is also easier to tax and regulate (on a national level) a handful of large corporations instead of 1000s of smaller ones.

The corporate takeover would not be instant at all, it would take decades but without regulation to protect small producers and keep the price on par with effort of production then corporate america would eventually win out.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Smushroom]
    #19017988 - 10/23/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Im sure there will be a grassroots movement of growers if it ever becomes legal.
Its so easy, if you can grow tomatoes, you can grow marijuana.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19018019 - 10/23/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How many Americans grow their own tomatoes versus buying them at the store?

Yes there will be a lot of people that grow their own pot but if politicians allow corporate America into the marketplace they will take a huge chunk of the business.

And I would like to clarify that given the choice of continued prohibition or all out legalization I would vote for legalization hands down. I just DO NOT trust out politicians not to let corporate greed influence their law making.

With only a handful of states having legal pot and low regulations on medical pot the dispensary model is working very well. Big tobacco won't even consider jumping into the mix until they can 100% legally produce it and market it nationwide.

That is why I would rather see national decriminalization and state by state legalization instead of complete national legalization.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Smushroom]
    #19018061 - 10/23/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Smushroom said:
How many Americans grow their own tomatoes versus buying them at the store?

Yes there will be a lot of people that grow their own pot but if politicians allow corporate America into the marketplace they will take a huge chunk of the business.

And I would like to clarify that given the choice of continued prohibition or all out legalization I would vote for legalization hands down. I just DO NOT trust out politicians not to let corporate greed influence their law making.

With only a handful of states having legal pot and low regulations on medical pot the dispensary model is working very well. Big tobacco won't even consider jumping into the mix until they can 100% legally produce it and market it nationwide.

That is why I would rather see national decriminalization and state by state legalization instead of complete national legalization.



That seems like the safest option to avoid corporations but the problem is that at the decriminalization level, will we be worried about employers constantly drug testing and firing people who are legally smoking at the state level because at the national level it is still technically illegal?


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Smushroom]
    #19018078 - 10/23/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Smushroom said:
How many Americans grow their own tomatoes versus buying them at the store?

Yes there will be a lot of people that grow their own pot but if politicians allow corporate America into the marketplace they will take a huge chunk of the business.

And I would like to clarify that given the choice of continued prohibition or all out legalization I would vote for legalization hands down. I just DO NOT trust out politicians not to let corporate greed influence their law making.

With only a handful of states having legal pot and low regulations on medical pot the dispensary model is working very well. Big tobacco won't even consider jumping into the mix until they can 100% legally produce it and market it nationwide.

That is why I would rather see national decriminalization and state by state legalization instead of complete national legalization.




I grow my own tomatoes I had 16 plants this year.  :smug:

However I see your point, and hope it doesn't play out like that but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.  Regardless, I love to grow plants and I love to harvest marijuana so I'd probably just grow my own.

Interesting article though


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: ClockCode] * 1
    #19018812 - 10/23/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As obama says "the american ppl have spoken." Doubt he will be listening, however.


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    #19018932 - 10/23/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Saw this in the NORML E-mail. Way to go!


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Atrium]
    #19019813 - 10/23/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That seems like the safest option to avoid corporations but the problem is that at the decriminalization level, will we be worried about employers constantly drug testing and firing people who are legally smoking at the state level because at the national level it is still technically illegal?




It doesn't matter if it is 100% legal on the national level, employers can and will still drug test for it for multiple reasons.

One is that employers can dictate things that effect your health/performance and even dictate certain aspects based on their own beliefs as long as you are aware of it before you start the job.

The second and more important is that until there is a reliable, quick, and accurate test for how high you are at any given time urine tests are the only proven accurate way of testing for pot. There are some jobs that shouldn't be performed when stoned and until there is something similar to a breathalyzer (that is actually reliable and accurate) there isn't really a way to see if the pilot flying your plane smoke yesterday, took a couple puffs this morning, or just gravity bonged 1/4 oz in the bathroom before boarding the plane. This means employers in those types of occupations would rather eliminate weed usage completely than risk something bad happening.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Smushroom]
    #19021006 - 10/23/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so sick of hearing these types of articles! Why can't it just not be a big deal that some people choose to grow and smoke marijuana. Fuck it drives me crazy thinking how many people are in jail getting  :ass2mouth: because they had pot. It is so baffling to think that it raises that much attention whether people smoke or not. Can't we just get high or not get high and not give a shit about it? Let the corporations make shitty ass bud, as long as I can grow my own I don't care. I grow plenty of my own fruits and vegetables. Habenaro peppers, serrano, jalapeno, cantaloupes, eggplant, tomatos, apples...


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: nn-IlliniSpiralDMT]
    #19021159 - 10/23/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

they can limit the amount of thc that can be found in buds at the store then people would have to smoke copious amounts to get thc sickness while also making themselves tired


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Ythan]
    #19021339 - 10/23/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm curious as to what demographic is most likely to disfavor legalization


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: ChiefGreenLeaf]
    #19022421 - 10/23/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm curious as to what demographic is most likely to disfavor legalization




Older conservatives who have zero experience with drugs aside from catching their grandson with a "bag of that grass."  The world is black and white.  They are white and drugs are black.  Satan's evil is what creates all drugs and tempts spiritually pure white children to ingest ghetto nigger drugs.  If you need any more reasons than that, then maybe you are a druggo who belongs in jail.  Just ask Christ.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: dokunai]
    #19023263 - 10/24/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I am sure a small percentage of those opposed to legallization are opposed to it because they believe that if pot is legallized that the industry will eventually be taken over by the tobacco companies, the process industrialized, and the market would be flooded with marijuana cigarettes full of harsh chemicals the way that the tobacco industry was 100+ years ago.





You're off your rocker who puts chemicals in weed and who would be dumb enough to buy that. Off course the same can be said about cigarettes but there is a law to prevent people growing their own.


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Re: US Support for Marijuana Legalization at Its Highest Yet [Re: Braindead]
    #19024334 - 10/24/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Braindead said:
Quote:

I am sure a small percentage of those opposed to legalization are opposed to it because they believe that if pot is legalized that the industry will eventually be taken over by the tobacco companies, the process industrialized, and the market would be flooded with marijuana cigarettes full of harsh chemicals the way that the tobacco industry was 100+ years ago.





You're off your rocker who puts chemicals in weed and who would be dumb enough to buy that. Off course the same can be said about cigarettes but there is a law to prevent people growing their own.




It is not illegal to grow your own tobacco and make your own cigarettes, smoke it from a pipe, etc. You are completely free to do that.

How much do you know about the tobacco and cigarette industry? My family lived off tobacco farming from ~1840 until ~1985. Originally cigarettes were just shredded tobacco put into casings. The tobacco companies paid more for high quality tobacco so they could have high quality cigarettes. Around mid-century they decided that they wanted mass produced consistency so they started buying medium grade tobacco in bulk, extracting & analyzing the chemical makeup of each batch, and then adding various chemical combinations to produce a very consistent product which produced increased physical dependence (and increased the risk of cancer in the process). Since the market for high quality tobacco shrank fewer people started to grow it and everyone turned to whatever was easiest to mass produce.

Right now there are a TON of people that buy shitty, seedy brick weed. If they were given the option to buy packaged mj cigarettes that tasted a lot better for the same price or cheaper, don't you think they would? Do you think those people really care enough to investigate to see if companies are adding chemicals to it?

100 years ago no one would have ever thought about adding chemicals to their tobacco. Right now the marijuana industry (while more advanced) is where the tobacco industry was 100 years ago. As long as it stays in the hands of true aficionados and small producers it will support a thriving economy with money to go around and produce extremely high quality products. When corporate America takes over it will be 100% about profits and quality will take a back seat. That will leave high quality bud as a niche market for people that actually enjoy the art of smoking and aren't just doing it to get high.


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