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sof4r0ckeRs1984



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Cubensis tea, boiled for 15 minutes with acids antioxidants
#19017812 - 10/23/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yesterday I boiled some cubensis tea, but I had only a mashed apple and some vinegar to acidify the brew. As mentioned in the Subject, I boiled it for approximately a quarter of an hour and sift it through a textile kitchen towel, so I don't have to ingest the shrooms because I often had stomach pain and bloatings like that.
Ingestion was very smooth and so was the come up, it was not as harsh as just chewing them up, but still the effects were definitely there, like CEVs, moving shadows and objects, just not the typical unconfortable bodyload. Is there any explaination as to what happened? My Guess was that I somehow converted most of the active ingredients into pure Psilocybin, or I cooked out the Psilocin of which should be faster available to the metabolism. I wonder if I could even get a better yield if I cooked it with a mix of water, Coke and lemon juice to give it some more Phosphoric acid and lose even less ingredients.
Edited by sof4r0ckeRs1984 (10/23/13 07:39 AM)
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HarryL
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Re: Cubensis tea, boiled for 15 minutes with acids antioxidants [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#19018024 - 10/23/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your body converts psilocybin to psilocin ... Making tea doesn't
So whatever psilocybin that makes it into you will be converted and potentially be available Might just wanna google psilocybin and read up on that
Boiling it won't cause much loss really... Old myth
Anyway... How much mushroom did you use? Oxygen is your enemy... Other things affect your trips Food, drugs, alcohol, full stomach, tiredness, set and setting
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Re: Cubensis tea, boiled for 15 minutes with acids antioxidants [Re: HarryL]
#19018072 - 10/23/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
HarryL said: Your body converts psilocybin to psilocin ... Making tea doesn't
So whatever psilocybin that makes it into you will be converted and potentially be available Might just wanna google psilocybin and read up on that
Boiling it won't cause much loss really... Old myth
Anyway... How much mushroom did you use? Oxygen is your enemy... Other things affect your trips Food, drugs, alcohol, full stomach, tiredness, set and setting
I know loss during cooking is a myth, but I gotta correct you: playing with the acidity ant temperature the Phosphoric acid group in the Psilocybin molecule can be brought to give the Tryptamine part free. It then bonds with a water molecule which again gives of a proton, resulting in Psilocin. This does surely not only happen inside the body.
It was about 1-1,2 grams of cubes. I had eaten some bread with chicken meat and some Pickled cucumbers and drunk orange juice. It was just strange that it kicked in so slowly but although I believed to have full effect. I'm going to experiment further.
Edit: Also have to say that a loss during boiling can come through heavily chlorine treated tap water, as it breaks down LSD similarly.
Edited by sof4r0ckeRs1984 (10/23/13 09:26 AM)
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Re: Cubensis tea, boiled for 15 minutes with acids antioxidants [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#19018086 - 10/23/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The dephosphorylation reaction that converts psilocybin to psilocin requires strong acidic conditions or the proper enzymes Not vinegar in water...
So it happens in the body... Unless you are a chemist working with strong acids!
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Edited by HarryL (10/23/13 09:30 AM)
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Re: Cubensis tea, boiled for 15 minutes with acids antioxidants [Re: HarryL]
#19018794 - 10/23/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't ecaxtly buy this.
First of all the autoprotolysis of water gets stronger with temperature and sp does acidity of water. Second we don't exactly know about the balance of the dephosphorylisation of Psilocybin: Is it exo- or endothermal? Then second I doubt that I dephosphorylized my actives as the come up was quite mild.
Ah ok, got it... Erowid link
"The abstract says it, if you are planning to extract the alkaloids from either dries and pulverized fruiting bodies or from mycelium it is best to use pure methanol. Superior to aqueous solutions of alcohols (which is wet alcohol, the one you are likely to have!) is dilute acetic acid which means simple vinegar (better: vinegar essence diluted with same amount of water) which is quite nice because there is no problem obtaining it. The problem with wet alcohol is that the enzymes which dephosphorylise Psilocybin to the instable Psilocin are also extracted from the biomass. This also occurs with acetic acid but to a smaller amount and does not occur at all with pure methanol (ethanol?)."
I doubt my vinegar solution was as strong as diluted acetic acid but as I threw away the mash, I think it must have been a similar effect.
Edited by sof4r0ckeRs1984 (10/23/13 11:15 AM)
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Re: Cubensis tea, boiled for 15 minutes with acids antioxidants [Re: sof4r0ckeRs1984]
#19019642 - 10/23/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Soak for longer, at least 30 min but I normally go for 45 or so. The extraction is slow with water, acidifying speeds it up, but you still need to wait.
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