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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19057346 - 10/30/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This one gives you shity coverage in return, thats the difference.
What costs almost nothing? Not Obamacare, hell kids in college are seeing their rates double. Fair? We were also told if we liked our current policy we could keep it. Just a lie. And the website they set up doesn't even work
I mean like i said, i can see the point you have, being born where you were you have never seen the other side i assume. A free market is what's best. But thanks for the debate without all the flaming that others thrive on.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057421 - 10/30/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds to me like America needs to take a good long look at why it's health care system is so expensive, socialised or not and whether it is privatization that has made it so expensive now and in the past.
It's funny because my reason tells me privatization ought to make it cheaper, yet that does not seem to be what has happened.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19057430 - 10/30/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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America needs to do a lot of things. We already give free healthcare to poor people and those that work, but still don't make enough money.
What we need is a president that cares about others. Like creating jobs.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057547 - 10/30/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: America needs to do a lot of things. We already give free healthcare to poor people and those that work, but still don't make enough money.
Hmm, I didn't even know that. How funny, I can see more why it seems unnecessary now.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19057644 - 10/30/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would you like to be told you have to buy something or else pay a fine?.
YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW! Every time someone goes to ER and has no insurance you get to pay for it. Rates may be high now but they will come down.
Baring that, I really don't care my insurance is now paid for.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19057655 - 10/30/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean why should people be forced to buy shit they don't want?
You cons are so worried about entitlement payments to the old and the poor but you can't see that we have the highest insurance payment BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY UNINSURED!
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057664 - 10/30/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: This one gives you shity coverage in return, thats the difference.
What costs almost nothing? Not Obamacare, hell kids in college are seeing their rates double. Fair? We were also told if we liked our current policy we could keep it. Just a lie. And the website they set up doesn't even work
I mean like i said, i can see the point you have, being born where you were you have never seen the other side i assume. A free market is what's best. But thanks for the debate without all the flaming that others thrive on.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Everything you said in this is BS.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54] 1
#19057697 - 10/30/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The true blue kool aid drinking obama-ites can't argue with the fact obummer is fucked up so they fall back on their argument that maybe bush was worse. Bush was a known moron but even he didn't screw things up as much as obuma. Even if he did, saying someone else was worse is feeble praise at best and a backhanded admission of failure at worst.
I just read in the liberal media that many people are seeing their insurance policies cancelled and the alternative is going to cost more. What was that lie, "you can keep your present coverage and it will cost less"? Plus companies are laying off full time workers and hiring part timers so they can dodge obumercare. Congress exempted itself from having to get it, tells you what they really think of it.
He had 3 years to prepare for the roll out of the web site and it was handled so badly they are going to have to tear down the site and start over from scratch. Unvetted people off the street are being given access to personal and confidential information like ss numbers and so on. If that isn't incompetent, i don't know what is. And don't fall back on "bush was just as bad" Wait until the full effect of obumercare hits and see them frantically trying to backpeddle on the issue. I would not be surprised if they blamed it on the gop. Or maybe bush.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19057716 - 10/30/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would you like to be told you have to buy something or else pay a fine?.
YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW! Every time someone goes to ER and has no insurance you get to pay for it. Rates may be high now but they will come down.
Baring that, I really don't care my insurance is now paid for.
"Rates may be high now but they will come down."
How are rates going to come down if they never eliminated medical tort cases?
How are rates going to come down if you accept pre-existing conditions?
How are rates going to come down if you don't change the way they practice medicine on half dead patients?
When you still have "for profit" companies and don't create tort reform, costs will not come down. The only way to get costs down is a universal care system, Obama Care is not a socialist plan.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19057729 - 10/30/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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B_BOY said: This one gives you shity coverage in return, thats the difference.
What costs almost nothing? Not Obamacare, hell kids in college are seeing their rates double. Fair? We were also told if we liked our current policy we could keep it. Just a lie. And the website they set up doesn't even work
I mean like i said, i can see the point you have, being born where you were you have never seen the other side i assume. A free market is what's best. But thanks for the debate without all the flaming that others thrive on.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Everything you said in this is BS.
prove me wrong ot stfu i can not bring myself to your stupidity level anymore, you prove time after time you are just an uneducated troll. move along
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057809 - 10/30/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How are rates going to come down if they never eliminated medical tort cases?
Uninsured freeloaders will have to pay there way. More people in the program.
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sweeper54



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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19057831 - 10/30/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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prove me wrong ot stfu i can not bring myself to your stupidity level anymore, you prove time after time you are just an uneducated troll. move along
No amount of proof is acceptable to your side, you're a closed minded hater and a fine example of way your party is going to die.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19057930 - 10/30/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How are rates going to come down if they never eliminated medical tort cases?
Uninsured freeloaders will have to pay there way. More people in the program.
So the uninsured peasants are going to hold up the system up? LOL, that's a good one.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: qman]
#19057946 - 10/30/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No uninsured people are going to have to have insurance
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Icelander]
#19058590 - 10/30/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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O'stumble will go down in history as the most inept, incompetent and wrong headed president in history and he has a lot of competition.
As much as I dislike Obama I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Just because you dislike him hardly makes him the worst. Live long enough and you'll see. http://civilliberty.about.com/od/historyprofiles/tp/Worst-Presidents-Ever.htm
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19058608 - 10/30/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Not painful at all and when it finally gets working it will help millions of people whether they want it to or not.
What happened to the freedom to choose what is in your own interest?. This is the fascism of the liberal mind writ large. I'm being totally fucked by this. My insurance is being dropped, no Obamacare provider in my state makes any payments at all to out of network doctors and I have to pay for a whole bunch of coverage for shit I do not want. I have no idea if my payments are going to go up because I can't use the site because it is completely cornholed.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19058625 - 10/30/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would you like to be told you have to buy something or else pay a fine?.
YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW! Every time someone goes to ER and has no insurance you get to pay for it. Rates may be high now but they will come down.
Baring that, I really don't care my insurance is now paid for.
How do you figure that? We will still have to pay for the asshole losers only now there will be more of them and we will have to pay for more of their nonsense beyond emergencies. Your insurance is now paid for by who? Are you on Medicaid or Mommyaid. What are you gonna do when your 27?
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19058737 - 10/30/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What happened to the freedom to choose what is in your own interest?.
Plenty Bronze, Silver, Gold...
So Zap when you had insurance you didn't mind paying higher rates to cover the people that had no insurance?
I doubt it, unless of course you were ignorant of it.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19058891 - 10/30/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What happened to the freedom to choose what is in your own interest?.
Plenty Bronze, Silver, Gold...
Those are no choices I would select. I don't want maternal coverage. I don't want mental health coverage. I don't want rehab coverage. I don't want routine doctor visit coverage. I don't want doctor restrictions. If my doctor isn't in the network I want the network to pay what they would pay a doctor in the network. I don't give two shits about HMO coverage. Where is my choice, Benito?Quote:
So Zap when you had insurance you didn't mind paying higher rates to cover the people that had no insurance?
Aside from the fact that not everybody who doesn't have insurance fails to pay their bills, yeah, it frosted my ass. How has that changed? I still have to pay for all the fucking bums. They aren't paying.Quote:
I doubt it, unless of course you were ignorant of it.
Ignorance is thine. Answer the question.
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Your insurance is now paid for by who? Are you on Medicaid or Mommyaid. What are you gonna do when your 27?
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19058914 - 10/30/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: No uninsured people are going to have to have insurance 
No they are not, if you DON'T buy an insurance policy, they WON"T have insurance.
What makes you think the poor peasants are going to buy insurance? Not gonna happen.
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