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Icelander
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19031686 - 10/25/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's true. I'm glad. But with having me for a parent that would have been the least of their problems. I would have been a lousy parent.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Icelander]
#19031721 - 10/25/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Icelander
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19032272 - 10/25/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Win/win.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Icelander] 1
#19053557 - 10/29/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obumblecare was a gift to the insurance companies, a payback for campaign contributions. Business as usual. Everything he said about it was a lie from it covering everyone to your costs will go down.
O'stumble will go down in history as the most inept, incompetent and wrong headed president in history and he has a lot of competition.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19054036 - 10/29/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Obumblecare was a gift to the insurance companies, a payback for campaign contributions. Business as usual.
And Medicare part D was written by??????
That would be "all of the above" And the roll out for that was JUST as Fucked up as the ACA only the Dems help to make that work unlike the pubs with the ACA.
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O'stumble will go down in history as the most inept, incompetent and wrong headed president in history and he has a lot of competition.
He'll still be more popular then that piece of shit lil'bush.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19056356 - 10/30/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said:
O'stumble will go down in history as the most inept, incompetent and wrong headed president in history and he has a lot of competition.
As much as I dislike Obama I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Just because you dislike him hardly makes him the worst. Live long enough and you'll see. http://civilliberty.about.com/od/historyprofiles/tp/Worst-Presidents-Ever.htm
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Icelander]
#19056464 - 10/30/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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O'stumble will go down in history as the most inept, incompetent and wrong headed president in history and he has a lot of competition.
And b_boy just like you and your "384 examples of Obama lying", I didn't read all of lil'bushes resume.
George W. Bush's Resume
George W. Bush (Dubya) The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, D.C. 20500
Past Work Experience
Ran for congress and lost. Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie. Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox. With father's help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas. Accomplishments in Previous Positions
Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
Set record for most executions by any governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my father's appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments As President
Attacked and took over two countries. Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury. Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history. Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market. First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. Set the record for most campaign fundraising trips than any other president in U.S. history. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job. Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in U.S. history. Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television. Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history. Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed. Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans. Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history. My presidency is the most secretive and unaccountable of any in U.S. history. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history (the 'poorest' multimillionaire, Condoleezza Rice, has an Exxon oil tanker named after her). First president in U.S. history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt. Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world. First president in U.S. history to order a U.S. attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation. Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States. Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history. First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission. First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the elections monitoring board. Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history. Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. Withdrew from the World Court of Law. Refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions. First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections). All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations. My biggest lifetime campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation). Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history. First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community. First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government. Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year made the U.S. the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in U.S. and world history). With a policy of 'disengagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years. Fist U.S. president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability. First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea. Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts. Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive.' Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects. In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States. Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in U.S. history. In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War. Entered office with the strongest economy in U.S. history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. Records and References
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available) AWOL from National Guard and deserted the military during a time of war. Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (they can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19056737 - 10/30/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This isn't about Bush, (who was TOOL) this is about the monumental failure called Obama. Get back on topic and talk about Obama and Obamacare or is it too painful, the truth?
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sweeper54



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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: starfire_xes]
#19056795 - 10/30/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not painful at all and when it finally gets working it will help millions of people whether they want it to or not.
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psyconaught
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19056827 - 10/30/13 10:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Not painful at all and when it finally gets working it will help millions of people whether they want it to or not.
fun fact. more people have lost health coverage that have gained health coverage under the ACA. And across the board average premiums are going up by sometimes 100-200 percent.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: psyconaught]
#19056947 - 10/30/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fun Fact: People lost their insurance because it was substandard and the insurance companies were ripping them off.
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B_BOY
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: sweeper54]
#19056972 - 10/30/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Fun Fact: People lost their insurance because it was substandard and the insurance companies were ripping them off.
Fun fact those people that lost their insurance get a worse plan that costs more now
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057058 - 10/30/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is priceless gotta watch this Sebelius won't answer if she would sign up for Obamacare. Says off mic " Don't do this to me".
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Grapefruit
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: cez]
#19057184 - 10/30/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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From what I've read the NHS works well for us here in the UK at considerably less than a third of the cost of your healthcare. There are many other countries who are even more efficient in providing nationalised healthcare. Most people, even the very well off, are extremely happy with it.
I don't get why you guys seem to be having such a problem with it. I'm sure it's difficult to implement at first but what's the problem with it overall? Seems to me you should be looking at other countries and imitating those systems that seem to work better.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19057200 - 10/30/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well our country is forcing people to buy something that costs a lot more than what they are happy with right now. Would you like to be told you have to buy something or else pay a fine?. Most of us Americans don't want to be like European countries. How long do you have to wait for a dr. appointment?
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Grapefruit
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057212 - 10/30/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Same day, or next day if not an emergency. 
It might be more expensive for now but obviously it can be done much cheaper and I'd imagine that'd be what you'd want to work toward.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19057229 - 10/30/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually it will just increase in costs over the years. I know it is easy for someone not from america to think we should want this garbage. I mean why should people be forced to buy shit they don't want? People in their 60's are being forced to buy plans that cover them for maternity issues.
And where you forced to buy your healthcare?
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057265 - 10/30/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess but (looking it up) it costs an average of £277 per person per year. Probably a little more if you don't count people who don't pay taxes. Still peanuts so I don't care. And who the hell doesn't want healthcare? Certainly no one who lives here I don't think.
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: Grapefruit]
#19057276 - 10/30/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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not saying people don't want healthcare, i am saying why should we be FORCED to buy exactly what the government wants? I mean why can't WE choose what we want covered? and were you forced to buy it or face a fine?
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Re: Is theree any chance for the repeal of Obamacare? [Re: B_BOY]
#19057312 - 10/30/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's part of my taxes so I can't really not pay it.
Socialized systems seem to work better for healthcare. I don't consider myself a socialist but if it works much better, which in this instance it seems to then I don't have a problem with forcing people to pay it, seeing as it costs almost nothing anyway and helps those who need it.
You are forced to pay all kinds of other taxes (such as defense budgets etc.) so why not this one?
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