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The importance of fasting before shrooms?
    #18987206 - 10/16/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking about why my past mushroom trips havent been as intense as I thought they would be and I realized I have never fasted at least 4 hours before a trip. In fact my first ever trip I put 2g of cubes on a burger and ate it that way.

So could not fasting prior to a trip have a huge impact on the intensity of the trip?


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #18989282 - 10/17/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It probably could... If your stomach is empty the entire process of collecting substances will be about what the shrooms can be broken down to. If the stomach has to deal with ordinary food as well then it probably wont be able to pass along the psilocybin as fast.

In short both a little less intense trip as well as a longer duration.

This is definitely also something you have to think about when dosing and when taking advice from people about doses.

I had my very first psychedelic trip on liberty caps this monday. I fasted for 4.5 hours, drank it down with freshly squeezed oj and had a great intense time. Hit me hard in 27 minutes and lasted only for roughly 4 hours with a smoothe steady come down.

I think a lot of it is getting to know yourself and your reaction to the particular shroom. Also try out different ways of consuming. You tried eating then with food... Try drinking it next time.

But remember tolerance. If I had taken them again tuesday chances are I wouldnt have tripped at all.... You need a good break after each trip. Respect the psilocybin and the dose.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #18989392 - 10/17/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

id say it does effect the outcome

for instance, if i was to eat a big meal before i dosed it would take longer for them to hit and wouldn't be as strong as if i ate the shrooms first or just ate the shrooms hours after


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: koinkedink]
    #18989908 - 10/17/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What they said.... Could not have said it better

Digestion rate is related to uptake rate


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: HarryL]
    #18990035 - 10/17/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The other posts make it seem like 'maybe'. I'm here to tell you its a 100% YES. If your eating whole shrooms, you are at the mercy of your metabolize. Making a tea or extract type of preparation will help you subvert your stomach clock.

Ultimately its like this. When you eat; food breaks down in your stomach for a short period (<1hr). Then it's passed to your small intestine for actual digestion. If you have ate recently, there is food in your small intestine, it takes a longer time for your chemicals to be absorbed. As well as taking longer, the small amounts that are absorbed by the stomach start-up the tolerance before the dose really hits. Depending on how much food you have and your body, it can take up to 3 hours for them shrooms to really start hitting...

I have crohnes,gastrophrsis,delayed gastric emptying. Fasting for myself decides if I am going to trip or just eat them for their nutritional value. I don't wanna say I'm a self proclaimed expert on fasting.. but the only way I can life without eternal stomach pain is to not eat....

The connection between fasting and psy is so sorely understated in todays psy rhetoric -- It puts a bad taste in my mouth.

If you wanna go for the heroic levels or just want a strong #3 off 1g. Fast. Fast for days; you'll start tripping before you even dose.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: anon887]
    #18990090 - 10/17/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm also curious about this topic, I know shrooms are food so it's not like you're literally starving yourself but I know that I feel really sick and get upset when I don't eat for a while
I hear that eating before a trip can give you nausea but couldn't you get neasusa also from being really hungry?
I'm a noob on shrooms, I've eaten food right before, between and after other substances and I've been fine
I just would like some light shed onto why for shrooms it's better to not eat than to eat for nausea
Anon887 made it clear that it can make for a less intense trip if you eat before because of still digesting the food you've had earlier and such but I still don't understand the nausea
Thanks in advance!


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: iamerror73]
    #19010756 - 10/21/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Shroom and nausea. A tough beast to tackle.

I am very fortunate in this aspect of the shroom. Due to my physical conditions, I literally feel the ocean waves nausea start as I eat any food. Over the years you learn to block it, the single does not compute. Just a popup in my brain asking me to press the puke button. I am disconnected from my stomach in ways I can't explain.

Fasting for 3 days will change your body physically in many ways. It's healthy, especially in this day and age of abundance.

It's a hit or miss, and everyones different when you are entering these levels of preparation and trip. No one will give you the answer - test a few different ways and go with that works with you.

MY suggestion is defiantly fast. Maybe not 3 days, but at least that day. If you going to trip today, just eat a light breakfast and drink some milky/creamy/yogurt/heavy liquid if your stomach is getting upset from not eating.  I also think the nausea is just a body load effect, and goes away shortly if you ignore it.  --- If you fast this way the shrooms will be in your intestine and almost be fully absorbed a little over a hour after oral ingestion.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: anon887]
    #19010864 - 10/21/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i read you can also take it sublingually, i eat them raw usually with an empty stomach, the taste doesnt bother me and i chew it thouroughly i think the chitin is hard to digest, i dont get really any abdominal discomfort or nausea



some people mix it with chocolate, which apparently is a mild MAOI

i like eating the mushrooms after doing some k because it makes more vivid and highly aware


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: tokerL]
    #19010881 - 10/21/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Eating less than 4 hours prior could certainly effect your trip.  Depending on what and how much you eat, the shrooms will not be digested as efficiently as if you had a completely empty stomach.

Your metabolism also plays a factor.  If you eat small meals throughout the day, you will metabolize the shrooms much better than if you happened to eat a large meal in the past few hours

In essence, fasting plays a role in potency of the trip


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: Melkor]
    #19010966 - 10/21/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If you dont want to fast just eat an extra 3gs "yea that sounds like a good number" more and it will make upthe difference i gaurantee


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19010987 - 10/21/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

in my experiences,fasting is not important at all when shrooming.in fact,fasting makes you feel lethargic.i like to eat a nice light breakfast of oatmeal and fruit before a trip.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19010997 - 10/21/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fasting before mushrooms makes me pretty uncomfortable during the trip personally. I try to eat something easily digestible and small about 2 hours before tripping. I can fast for cactus. It pretty much just shuts down any feelings of low blood sugar or hunger, but mushrooms tend to intensify these feelings for me.

If you are disappointed with intensity try taking more and taking them in the form of a lemon tek tea.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19011264 - 10/21/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A fast helps, as your stomach will pass the shrooms to the gut quicker for faster absorption, also eating a lot will stimulate the gut to make more enzymes, like MAO, that denature and bind to the psylocin. A small snack in between or at least a couple hours prior is OK IME.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: ImFukNCLUELESS]
    #19012410 - 10/22/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you dont want to fast just eat an extra 3gs "yea that sounds like a good number" more and it will make upthe difference i gaurantee



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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: tokerL]
    #19017367 - 10/23/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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some people mix it with chocolate, which apparently is a mild MAOI




It is an MAOI. It contains catechin and epicatechin, which are MAO-B inhibitors -- stronger than the pharmaceutical selegiline, If I'm interpretting things correctly. The paper that evidences this is "Monoamine oxidase B (MAO-B) inhibition by active principles from Uncaria rhynchophylla." As the name suggests, this paper is about Uncaria rhynchophylla, not cacao. However, it is about the active principles of Uncaria rhynchophylla, which are catechin and epicatechin. The following link contains scientific papers that evidence that cacao contains catechin and epicatechin as well as the paper I already mentioned, which goes into the monoamine oxidase activity of those substances. Sorry for the long-winded explanation, but it was necessary as I haven't done a full evaluation of the literature to post it in a more concise way.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #19017405 - 10/23/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Any substance you take orally will be affected by the amount of food in your digestive tract.  The more food to digest, the less effect the substance will have.  I like to give myself 6-8 hours without food, ingesting a sugary drink and a protein shake with a multivitamin a couple hours before.  As well as eating fresh fruit during the experience.  Keeps the lethargy and hunger away plus fruit tastes dank on shrooms so there's that.
As far as nausea goes I'm under the impression that the body has a difficult time with breaking down chitin and so that can cause stomach cramps when digesting the mushroom material itself, as well as the chemicals affecting the part of the brain responsible for nausea kinda sorta like mescaline.  So theoretically making a tea and not eating the shrooms, or lemon tek it at let the acidity break down some of the chitin before you ingest should help.  All this is hearsay though I never verified the info so take it for what it's worth.  and to help with nausea ginger is good so some candied ginger or pickled ginger like they serve with sushi is good to have, or you could brew shroom tea with some sliced ginger root in it.


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Re: The importance of fasting before shrooms? [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19017448 - 10/23/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When I trip, I have a big hearty breakfast, and then stop eating for the rest of the day until it's mushroom time.

More of a ritual then anything based in experience, but it works for me. :smile:


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