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Re: Gymnopilus luteus Active? Or non-active look-alike [Re: Eligilbert12]
    #19052075 - 10/29/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yes your Gymnopilus are safe to consume.  Hard to say if they are active or not.  Probably do not have psilocybin but they might have other drugs.  I guess the best name for them is Gymnopilus ventricosus since they are on conifer on the west coast and do not stain green/blue.


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Re: A few others... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19052111 - 10/29/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There seems lot be a lot of confusion between G. luteofolius and G. aeruginosus, so I'd to point out some of the macroscopic differences between the two species based on (Peck) Singer description.

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Gymnopilus aeruginosus

Veil present (when young); stem less slender (length up to 2x cap diam); gills adnexed-adnate, at first slightly decurrent, then seceding; cap context pallid, tinged greenish or bluish green

-CAP 2-5 (rarely to 23!) cm broad, convex, dry; at first dull bluish gray green , or aeruginous to variegated green and yellow, at times with patches of salmon or livid red, becoming warm buff, pinkish buff, or at times brown or drab; fibrillose scaly, becoming rimose-areolate, each areola with 2-8 cushion-like to fibrillose scales, or sometimes squamulose without areolae, the scales tawny or blackish, margin even. Context pallid or whitish, tinged greenish, or dull bluish green, when dry becoming yellowish to vinaceous.

-GILLS "cream buff" to "pale ochraceous orange", lamellulae numerous, edges even to slightly rough.

-STIPE (3-) 5-12 cm long, (4) 10-15 (-40) mm thick, concolorous, appressed fibrillose or glabrous, dry, sometimes striate, solid becoming ± hollow, at times 3-8 connate at base, equal.

-VEIL arachnoid, yellowish, slight, fugacious, leaving apical evanescent zone.

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Gymnopilus luteofolius

Fruiting body not uniformly colored: at first dark red to reddish brown from dense fasciculate scales, then pinkish red, yellowish red, to yellow; cap without umbo, may stain or appear to stain light grayish green where bruised

-CAP 2-6(-8) cm broad, convex, obtuse, dry, when young dark red to reddish brown from dense fasciculate scales which become erect, especially at disc, then fading pinkish red or yellowish red, finally yellowish; margin fibrillose or appressed-scaly. Context at first reddish, light purplish vinaceous or lavender, fading to yellowish.

-GILLS adnate to uncinate or emarginate, at first yellow, then bright ferruginous, close or subdistant, edges serrate.

-STIPE 3-9 cm long, 3-10 mm thick, concolorous, fibrillose, equal or enlarged toward base, solid.

-VEIL arachnoid to submembranous, yellowish, forming a fugacious annulus.


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Re: A few others... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19052331 - 10/29/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is that based on the original descriptions or the Hesler monograph?


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Re: A few others... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19052336 - 10/29/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Talk about paranoid. The coyotes seemed to get closer and closer tonight as i worked in the dark. My hound was even on edge. Alot of times for me The hunt is way better than even a 100 Cyan high. IMO.




Your hound seems like a happy dog. Keeping 'em happy is the best way to keep 'em working for you... you've got a hound/mix?! If he's not too old , you can teach 'em what shrooms smell like and how to point 'em out to you...

better off talking about this elsewhere...


Cecil's into his own things (Coons & squirls). He's Black and Tan Treeing Coon Hound and Plott Hound cross.


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Re: A few others... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19052445 - 10/29/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is that based on the original descriptions or the Hesler monograph?



I got the description from here;
http://www.svims.ca/council/Gymnop.htm

The source sited says
"(Peck) Singer"

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"SYSTEMATIC ARRANGEMENT OF SPECIES INCLUDED

According to Hesler"

So I don't know who the hell wrote the description... :shrug:


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Re: A few others... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19052493 - 10/29/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I believe it is Hesler's writing.  When comparing descriptions it is helpful to include the text from the monograph, and also the text from the original species descriptions.

Reviewing the two descriptions, I am not so clear on exactly what is different.  Aeruginosus is supposed to have thicker stems?  Or maybe just the collections they measured happaned to have thicker stems?

I have definitely seen luteofolius with thicker stems than it claims that they have.  Or maybe it wasn't luteofolius.

Laura Guzman has found microscopic differences between the taxa but they are not mentioned in Hesler's monograph or anywhere else.

I wonder if it is true that luteofolius is enlarged towards the base and aeruginosus is not.

I think both taxa can be aerolate in dry weather.


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Re: A few others... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19053605 - 10/29/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
I believe it is Hesler's writing.  When comparing descriptions it is helpful to include the text from the monograph, and also the text from the original species descriptions.

Reviewing the two descriptions, I am not so clear on exactly what is different.  Aeruginosus is supposed to have thicker stems?  Or maybe just the collections they measured happaned to have thicker stems?

I have definitely seen luteofolius with thicker stems than it claims that they have.  Or maybe it wasn't luteofolius.

Laura Guzman has found microscopic differences between the taxa but they are not mentioned in Hesler's monograph or anywhere else.

I wonder if it is true that luteofolius is enlarged towards the base and aeruginosus is not.

I think both taxa can be aerolate in dry weather.



IMO the differences between the two is; aeruginosus has a thicker stem and no veil in maturity, black scales, white/yellow context color, and green a color (not just green from damage)

How do they determine the sample size needed to make an accurate description of a species? Can we add to these descriptions?
What I think to be aeruginosus looks very different from luteofolius but I don't not if they are just variations within a single species or two separate species. 
The Gymnopilus phylogenetic tree lists them the two as separate things, so I would assume they are different from one another.  How do we know these guys weren't wrong?
Is there any proof they should be considered separate?


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Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19054080 - 10/29/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Tucked back in the corner behind my captive salmonberry.





Put a mister above, I installed a drip system years ago and have been meaning to do that in this corner.  Already had the larger log that had lots of F. pinicola babies on it, they've atrophied for lack of moisture, maybe they'll come back now.

I planted a couple blewitt butts in some sawdust I had to go into the compost.  Relocated that chunk and it looks like it had taken off.

Need more sawdust!  I just may go hack down a small alder and hack at it with the miter saw to create some nice fresh stuff,

Now I need someone to send me a few cyan butts...


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"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: fry day]
    #19054093 - 10/29/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have any close up pictures of those gyms?


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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19054109 - 10/29/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My good cam is broke 'till I send it back to Fuji in a few more days... 

Which "gyms" are you referring to?  The ones I have another thread on or these mysteries:





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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: fry day]
    #19054146 - 10/29/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those look more like Tricholomopsis than Gymnopilus, my bad. Weird looking mushrooms.


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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: fry day]
    #19054168 - 10/29/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the input.  All of this stuff on woodchips lately has prompted me to drag logs and sticks out of the forest.

Rutilans fits. 

The couple of shrooms up and to the left slightly are a bolete with a shabby shaggy cap.  Not woodlovers, but I dug up a big chunk of duff with 'em so figured I'd plant 'em here.


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"Shrub, 30-90 cm. Leaves 2.5-) 4-9 cm, sessile or amplexicaul, broadly ovate to ovate-oblong, obtuse or rounded to subapiculate or subacute, when crushed not smelling of goats."

"The initial quake was a 6.6 but fairly shallow. I felt it as a prolonged up and down vibration followed by a jolt forward and then to the left, like square dancing."


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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: fry day]
    #19066088 - 10/31/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This question my sound very noobish but I'm curious about the umbos on cyans that you guys find.

I found a feral patch of cyans a week ago and I noticed that all of the umbos have a small. Blackish blue dot in the middle. I don't know if this is common but I haven't seen many pictures of them with this feature.  Is it possibly just the environmental conditions?  :confused:


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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: nomadbrad]
    #19066140 - 10/31/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe their nipples got cold?


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Re: Made a little woodlovers garden today... [Re: nomadbrad]
    #19066812 - 10/31/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This question my sound very noobish but I'm curious about the umbos on cyans that you guys find.

I found a feral patch of cyans a week ago and I noticed that all of the umbos have a small. Blackish blue dot in the middle. I don't know if this is common but I haven't seen many pictures of them with this feature.  Is it possibly just the environmental conditions?  :confused:




I see it often. Could be drying or cold. That is all I would imagine.


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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: Ganzig]
    #19067427 - 11/01/13 12:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can anyone tell me this species?



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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: fonzi]
    #19077493 - 11/02/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Id request please, found on wood chips 5 feet from a cyan patch spore print blackish purple




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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: Tacoma]
    #19077499 - 11/02/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like a Psathyrella to me.


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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19077760 - 11/02/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Azurecens?


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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: thewall14]
    #19077773 - 11/02/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Stem looks too big to be an azure


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