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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: Ganzig]
#19017617 - 10/23/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whats the consensus on the thing too do with cyan's that aren't fully mature but are starting to change color like when drying?
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
#19017635 - 10/23/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what thing to do with that thing you said?
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: canid]
#19017644 - 10/23/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should they be picked? Left alone?
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
#19017655 - 10/23/13 05:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It can't hurt to let them mature. If they are too dry to mature then pick them. Just because the hygrophany is showing doesn't mean they won't finish. You'll feel that they are too dry when they're too dry, because their texture will change.
I don't know that anybody's done a definitive study on what moisture content in the fruit or the mycellia will abort further growth, but I will say that every dried up cyanescens or allenii fruit I've found had a lot of bruising, so I would say if they aren't starting to bruise heavily for no apparent reason then I don't see why they might not continue maturing.
For the separate issue I've heard people spewing about picking those which are dying to keep them from damaging the colony by rotting on it; I doubt that could be much a problem, as that is exactly what happens to them in nature if critters don't eat them first.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: canid]
#19017669 - 10/23/13 05:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks. the ones Ive seen were no were near rotting. I was just curious if the color change meant they started to abort. They actually look pretty cool like that.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
#19017674 - 10/23/13 05:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, it just means that they are a hygrophanous mushroom the moisture level in the caps are below a certain threshold.
If they dry out too much of course they will not be able to grow further but I don't know exactly where that point is, and they soak it back up pretty easily. The mycellia also transport water, and probably transport it to the mushroom just fine.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: canid]
#19017677 - 10/23/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When do you think the potency is affected? When it starts to bruise heavily?
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
#19017683 - 10/23/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Probably by then, but likely [and this is just opinion] not as much as people make out.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: canid]
#19017695 - 10/23/13 05:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think it would effect your dose either unless you got it in your head that it would. Enjoy your day. I need to get my mind right for todays work load. Talk with you later. S. Book
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: NothingsChanged]
#19019072 - 10/23/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, I feel kind of bad.
I needed spore prints.
I knew of a fellow shroomerites patch. I PM'd him and asked if I could harvest his patch for the prints.
He never responded. They were getting old and drying out and shriveling up.
So, I harvested them. I printed them. And have dried them.
In the first message I told him I don't care to keep the fruits and that still stands.
They are separated and in a jar with his name on it.
Did I do bad?
Is my rationalizing it wrong? I rationalize it this way.
I don't think he is in Portland, and they were drying up, and I want to give them back to him.
Did I do bad?
I feel bad. Sort of.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: Ganzig]
#19019241 - 10/23/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just found this thread...what a great idea. Good one maynard
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: Ganzig]
#19019949 - 10/23/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: So, I feel kind of bad.
I needed spore prints.
I knew of a fellow shroomerites patch. I PM'd him and asked if I could harvest his patch for the prints.
He never responded. They were getting old and drying out and shriveling up.
So, I harvested them. I printed them. And have dried them.
In the first message I told him I don't care to keep the fruits and that still stands.
They are separated and in a jar with his name on it.
Did I do bad?
Is my rationalizing it wrong? I rationalize it this way.
I don't think he is in Portland, and they were drying up, and I want to give them back to him.
Did I do bad?
I feel bad. Sort of.
I feel it's a finder keepers deal, get their first sorta thing.
If its on public land they belong to anybody and everybody in the know.
That is also part of why I always leave some behind.
Eh, hold on to em for a while maybe he'll show up. It's is about what is on your conscious.
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They hide. 3 pics below, 1) as they were found 2) with the duff brushed off the caps 3) unearthed.
You must excavate them, they are largely underground and to get them out correctly gently dig around 'em 'till you can see the base stipe narrowing. They will kinda pop off their attachment with gentle persuasion, don't cut or rip. I carry a weeder tool that's just a forked bit of metal on a wooden handle, perfect tool for the job. I take care not to damage any babies nearby if possible. If you look carefully, you can see the spodosol layer that the shroom likes as you're excavating, it's got a different texture.
When done, I fill the hole with what came out of it, in order of layer, and you wouldn't know anyone had been there. I like to think it's good for the mycelium.
The one on the left was coming up under a root - you can see how it was creased. Probably would have cut it in half had it not been harvested young.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: fry day]
#19020810 - 10/23/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it strange to anyone else that there are so many different species of mushrooms that are growing in record numbers this season?
I mean, across habitats and substrates, this is just an incredible year for fungi.
Leaves me scratching my head. What do they know that we dont?
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: Ganzig]
#19020847 - 10/23/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: Is it strange to anyone else that there are so many different species of mushrooms that are growing in record numbers this season?
I mean, across habitats and substrates, this is just an incredible year for fungi.
Leaves me scratching my head. What do they know that we dont?
It's not only fungus that are doing it. It's been a bumper crop for loads of different kinds of produce, specially pears and apples. I was listening to an NPR article the other day, and they were saying that there aren't enough immigent farm works in the entire county to to pick amount of pears that are in Yakama valley alone. Loads are rotting on the vine. I don't know if it has something to do with climate change or the long hot summer we had but it's real fucking cool, I'm not complaining... Unless this is a sign of the end of the world.
Edited by maynardjameskeenan (10/23/13 06:23 PM)
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Forgive me if I am incorrect, but aren't those (if Amanita muscaria is the correct I.D.) poisonous?
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#19021209 - 10/23/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hallucinating Hamm said: Forgive me if I am incorrect, but aren't those (if Amanita muscaria is the correct I.D.) poisonous?
What mushroom are you talking about?
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Hallucinating Hamm said: Aren't Amanita muscaria poisonous?
They have molecules considered to be toxins in them yes. You can still enjoy them though.
You can cook out the toxins or leave them in and cook them to change them so one can get high from them.
They are very tasty. Full of glutemates.
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They are an intoxicant. One most people find unpleasant to a greater or lesser degree.
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Re: PNW fall 2013 discussion, and ID requests thread [Re: canid]
#19021255 - 10/23/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ahh, i should have read the link Anthrax posted along with his find. I'v heard that people used to feed the mushroom to a donkey and drink its piss to rid the poisons. Fact or fiction? Try it I say.
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