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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19015911 - 10/22/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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But you do not know that it wasn't.  The knee jerk response from the idiots at Alternet and many users here is that the cops are lying and were totally in the wrong.  Facts do not concern them.  They do not care about facts that get in the way of a narrative they prefer.  Their favorite narrative being that cops suck.  Do you really think cops go out looking to shoot random non-menacing stray dogs?



There is no mention of the officers being physically attacked, from neither the family or the police statement--the story is that the dog was running up to them quickly in a threatening manner. AKA, agression.

showing aggression ≠ attacking

There are other responses that are far more appropriate when dealing with a (possibly) aggressive dog. For example, the owner was there--they could have commanded the owner to call off their dog--thye could have used pepper spray--simply kick the dog--but shooting the dog in the back of the head was out of proportion to the situation.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: propensity] * 1
    #19015924 - 10/22/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Only Zappa would argue for a dog getting shot in the head for not being on a leash. :whatever:



I'm not arguing that.  I'm arguing that you have no idea what happened and just assumed that the cops were dicks.  Maybe they were dicks.  I don't know.  One thing I do know is that none of you know.  I object to your default position that they are dicks unless proven otherwise.  Especially given the chosen news source and general sensationalizing of stories like this.  You swallow this crap whole without any seeming skepticism that maybe somebody is trying to sell a story or that there might be another side that you haven't heard.  You are selective skeptics who will buy anything that suits your narrative even if the source is questionable.  I did a Google search and found another article that paints quite a different picture than Alternet.  Maybe you guys should reconsider Alternet.  They have a greater interest in narrative than accuracy.  Unless that's what you're after, of course.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19015926 - 10/22/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

just to say, not all cops are bad. these particular cops should  not be on the job. they are not only IDIOTS. but absolute scared fools. hope they die themselves, by wolf.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19015942 - 10/22/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
But you do not know that it wasn't.  The knee jerk response from the idiots at Alternet and many users here is that the cops are lying and were totally in the wrong.  Facts do not concern them.  They do not care about facts that get in the way of a narrative they prefer.  Their favorite narrative being that cops suck.  Do you really think cops go out looking to shoot random non-menacing stray dogs?



There is no mention of the officers being physically attacked, from neither the family or the police statement--the story is that the dog was running up to them quickly in a threatening manner. AKA, agression.

showing aggression ≠ attacking

There are other responses that are far more appropriate when dealing with a (possibly) aggressive dog. For example, the owner was there--they could have commanded the owner to call off their dog--thye could have used pepper spray--simply kick the dog--but shooting the dog in the back of the head was out of proportion to the situation.



This may well be entirely true.  Neither you nor I know, though, do we, but Alternet deliberately distorted the story and left information out.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19015946 - 10/22/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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just to say, not all cops are bad. these particular cops should  not be on the job. they are not only IDIOTS. but absolute scared fools. hope they die themselves, by wolf.




I'm going to say this again.  You do not know what happened.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19015951 - 10/22/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, well, this happens. cops make mistakes. plus, alot of them are morons. don't need a news story to tell me that.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19015957 - 10/22/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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This may well be entirely true.  Neither you nor I know, though, do we, but Alternet deliberately distorted the story and left information out.



http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Family-outraged-after-dog-was-shot-and-killed-by-Boise-Police-Officer-228565911.html

Follow the source alternet used to the local news outfit that originally covered the story, and states the exact same thing.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19015966 - 10/22/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

could it be possible to distort a story towards the cops favor? or is that just science-fiction?


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy [Re: Brakepad]
    #19015974 - 10/22/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Someone should shoot the cop in the back of the head





they should do the same with the owners of the dog for not having it in a fenced yard or on a leash


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19015980 - 10/22/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

there should be no dogs for pussy Americans who need a law for EVERY SINGLE THING.

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Someone should shoot the cop in the back of the head





they should do the same with the owners of the dog for not having it in a fenced yard or on a leash




oh, and for every fucking puerile, fascist ingrate too.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19015990 - 10/22/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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could it be possible to distort a story towards the cops favor? or is that just science-fiction?



i mean, theoretically i guess--but i've never seen it actually happen in the real world--keep it in the realm of sci-fi


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19016010 - 10/22/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

best just leave things where they are. i'm scurred of the repercussions.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19016043 - 10/22/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

again: pepper spray.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #19016052 - 10/22/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

shoot it in the head if it's scaring you


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19016054 - 10/22/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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there should be no dogs for pussy Americans who need a law for EVERY SINGLE THING.






we wouldnt have a need for the laws if people managed to keep their pets
under their control, I've shot at least a dozen myself because in my state
these nuisance, animals cost people their livelihood. dogs have been known to
run horses and cattle to death, they've been known to kill chickens and eat
the eggs and they've also been known to bite. I'm sure it goes on everywhere
and the irresponsible owners that dont care enough about their animals to
keep them under control clearly dont deserve the animals or they'd do their
part to protect them from being shot by keeping them in a fenced yard or on a
leash instead of allowing them to roam because the owner is too fucking lazy
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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #19016059 - 10/22/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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again: pepper spray.





send me the pepper spray, enough for the dog and the owner, until then it's a .45 spray


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19016062 - 10/22/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well, i can't argue against that. hence, my original assertion. American's shouldn't be allowed dogs as pets.

PS: also, there shouldn't be such confusion in the differences in the laws between states, in your country. i mean, so many idiots, can only do so much thinking. best not to confuse them.


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #19016063 - 10/22/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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zappaisgod said:
This may well be entirely true.  Neither you nor I know, though, do we, but Alternet deliberately distorted the story and left information out.



http://www.ktvb.com/news/local/Family-outraged-after-dog-was-shot-and-killed-by-Boise-Police-Officer-228565911.html

Follow the source alternet used to the local news outfit that originally covered the story, and states the exact same thing.



Your link

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Other witnesses to the incident described the dog as barking and snarling at officers as it approached them.




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The City of Boise does have a leash ordinance; dog owners are required to keep their dogs on leash, except in specified areas.




Facts left out of the Alternet article


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19016067 - 10/22/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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could it be possible to distort a story towards the cops favor? or is that just science-fiction?



Sure can be


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Re: Idaho Cops Kill Dog In Front of Two-Year-Old Boy (moved) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19016075 - 10/22/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

but not the other way around?


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