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dodgem
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How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd?
#19016015 - 10/22/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So people are always posting saying they took x µg of lsd last weekend blah blah blah. I feel like 95% of them are just making it up, or that is what their drug dealer (who most likely made it up) told them and actually believe them. Unless you are getting the tabs or liquid from a primary, secondary, or possibly tertiary source what are the actual chances you have any clue what amount you are taking? I suppose you could guestimate by comparing it to other trips you had in the past, but it is not like you knew with any certainty how much you took on those trips either.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: dodgem]
#19016039 - 10/22/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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These days most hits are well under 100 µg, so usually people are full of shit if they say 1 hit is over that
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: dodgem]
#19016045 - 10/22/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You never can really be 100% certain. 
How I get a general idea of how strong my tabs are is this: Take blotter, cut into 1/8ths. I'll take an eighth of a tab (being 12.5 micrograms if it's as strong as advertised.) And I hope to get threshold effects. Being that LSD's threshold effects start anywhere from 10-25 micrograms, if i can notice an eighth of a tab, then I can assume that my whole tab is anywhere from 90-120 micrograms. Mine was advertised as 100 ug, so I assume it's pretty close to that.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: MrHill]
#19016057 - 10/22/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Full of shit op that's what, 95% have no ideer.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: theRAPeutic]
#19016068 - 10/22/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some people lay it themselves from vials they got from people close to them, some people have sent their tabs to labs to be tested, some people use microgram scales to weigh the paper and do the math. There's a few ways. But most people are just going by what the last person told them.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: MrHill]
#19016073 - 10/22/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Either they have a very reliable source, and perhaps know other experienced trippers who have taken the same product. Or maybe they have done acid enough to know about how a certain dosage feels
But I do think most people are bullshitting about how many ug their blotters contain. If not bullshitting, just buying in to the BS someone else has fed them
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: dodgem]
#19016089 - 10/22/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suppose you have a point there, I mean I remember not being able to get a decent trip off of 2 hits. A few years later got lucky enough to get something that the guy advertised as 125ugs hit of liquid, and 3 of those blew me and my girl out of the water for a while. I've only had 1 experience with blotter that felt higher dosed, and wow not something you give away without warnings for sure. But you are right I suppose on a certain level it's all conjecture and trust. Honestly part of me hopes they were wrong and that there is something out there that will open the third eye with just 1 hit.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19016183 - 10/22/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you didn't lay it, you never truelly know.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: Agentchewy]
#19016219 - 10/22/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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some people buy their lsd online. usually from an established source. usually it is always tested.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: World of Echo]
#19020823 - 10/23/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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While many of us would like to believe we know exactly how much we're taking, it's really difficult. Even word from our dealer isn't really going to be the truth... and it's not that they're lying to us per se, but they're basically in our position. It's what they were told.
Some people do have reputable sources, but usually we're going by word of mouth and by what we experienced.
I'm sure some people lie about the dosage, which is expected, but a lot of the time it's just expected to be 100ug if it's "fluff" or what have you.
In a nutshell: It's rare for people to know what they have. Very rare.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: BleakBeat]
#19024993 - 10/24/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They guess. And then they multiply by some factor that they can personally live with?
I don't mean to be harsh, but not only is there very little certainty, there's a lot of exaggeration ... IME.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: Gratuitous Grace]
#19025088 - 10/24/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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On the street, you are not going to get accurate dosages.
When you buy from *certain* sources, it is more likely that the doses are closer to the advertised amount -- because of competition and a high expectation for quality.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: Gratuitous Grace]
#19025091 - 10/24/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some folks get it from the folks laying it. Others get it sent to a lab & tested. Most people don't really know, but that doesn't mean there aren't folks that do. Not everyone is talking out of their ass.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: Dark_Star]
#19025132 - 10/24/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Unless you're from the Netherlands of course. Free laboratory test service for all of your drugs
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: GoldenEye]
#19025176 - 10/24/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I never know for certain about the stuff I get, but I like to estimate because I know a lot of people like to know the dosage for trip reports and whatnot. I always at least try to make an educated guess as to how many ug I took!
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: MrHill] 1
#19025201 - 10/24/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Parrott said: You never can really be 100% certain. 
How I get a general idea of how strong my tabs are is this: Take blotter, cut into 1/8ths. I'll take an eighth of a tab (being 12.5 micrograms if it's as strong as advertised.) And I hope to get threshold effects. Being that LSD's threshold effects start anywhere from 10-25 micrograms, if i can notice an eighth of a tab, then I can assume that my whole tab is anywhere from 90-120 micrograms. Mine was advertised as 100 ug, so I assume it's pretty close to that.
Ignore everything in this thread but that^. You don't need a lab if you are willing to microdose to find threshold effects. My dealer has no idea what a microgram is so there is no sales pitch. In fact he asks me how they are since he doesn't touch it. I just tell him its good at 70 great at 85 and fucking awesome at over 100 (which is rare). I wouldn't put much into vendor numbers or even avengers number TBH. If I didn't take it to the lab in Amsterdam I only really trust my tongue. I have seen test results of tabs I took and I was right on though.
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frylock91 said: Some people lay it themselves from vials they got from people close to them, .
If you used a vial to lay it you won't have any clue what strength it is. And if you did something stupid like try and put a drop on each hit your sheet will not be even close to uniform. You don't lay sheets from a vial of liquid. Liquid is very diluted already. People lay sheets with crystal and a much lower percent of liquid than what is in vials. The reason being you don't want a drop being 5 hits in a vial, its hard to split a drop 5 ways. And despite all the shit talking very very few people here know the person who laid their sheet.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: my3rdeye]
#19028981 - 10/24/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The thread was about how people know how many mcg's are in their LSD. Not just their blotters. People dose candy, sugar cubes and other stuff with vials.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: Eminence] 1
#19030802 - 10/25/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are really only a few ways to know.
1. Know someone who lives in a country that has substance analysis for harm reduction. Something like The Netherlands. The Netherlands in general ties it to identity or so I have been told. As in the person has to live there and use their id to submit it. In the Capital of Amsterdam (can't recall if it is the administrative or constitutional capital, they have two) you can submit anonymously and are given a number to call for a one time disclosure. They test substance and quantity. The substance cannot be mailed in and must be submitted in person at most facilities so you have to know someone or travel to a place like The Netherlands with your stash.
2. Lay them yourself, not very likely that most people will ever see this option but it exists.
3. Know who laid them, more likely than 2, still going to be a smaller number of people all told.
Anything else and you are placing your trust in someone.
Experience goes a long ways and having had contact with one of the 3 above during your experiences goes a bit furthur... I have been eating acid since I lived on tour with the Dead. I can generally tell when someone sold to me as 130ug is 80-90 or something sold as 100ug is 60-70.
Now when most people quote a dose they are usually mentioning the reported dose, in other words what they were told they were getting. Which is why you will find some reports where people mention clean WoW or another print, and mention it being weak at x number of tabs. Some experienced trip reporters might even infer they suspect they were low dosed at that point.
But unless you are using 1-3, or are certain that where you get them from is using 1-3 no more than one step removed, then you are on trust. But in some circles trust doesn't feel such an issue.
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: Darkenshroom]
#19030895 - 10/25/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have seen 300 mic blotters so better stfu with blablah, yea its real you better fucking believe it!
Edited by rikuni (10/25/13 12:35 PM)
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: rikuni]
#19031843 - 10/25/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems like the only options from overseas were blotters well over 100 ug a couple years back...I'd say the strongest I've had was 225-250 ug on one hit...I think they were Shivas. That was pure magic. OH..if you guys get a chance you've got to watch the movie Dead Silence while you're tripping on L. It's that old "scary" movie about the ventroloquist dummy. It's hilarious!!!! lol and there's killer effects...one of the bests things I've done on acid for sure
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Re: How do people tell how many µg are in their lsd? [Re: MrHill]
#19032166 - 10/25/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Parrott said: You never can really be 100% certain. 
How I get a general idea of how strong my tabs are is this: Take blotter, cut into 1/8ths. I'll take an eighth of a tab (being 12.5 micrograms if it's as strong as advertised.) And I hope to get threshold effects. Being that LSD's threshold effects start anywhere from 10-25 micrograms, if i can notice an eighth of a tab, then I can assume that my whole tab is anywhere from 90-120 micrograms. Mine was advertised as 100 ug, so I assume it's pretty close to that.
That's what I've always done when ever I get a few new doses.
When I have asked, I've been told they should be at/around 100mcg. And from cutting the tabs into smaller fractions, feeling pronounced effects from a quarter of a tab, comparing to what I've had in the past, I'd assume they're right around 100mcg...or like mentioned above, a general window of 90mcg to 120mcg.
Most of the stuff I cross paths with has been pretty consistent. Some being slightly weaker than the stuff that's said to be at 100mcg. I've never been told the amounts on tabs with out asking either, only if I ask is it mentioned or said that it's not known, it's never some over exaggerated number.
Now the few times I have seen people hype up their doses, claiming it's something like 300mcg+, throwing around words like "family", it's been mediocre at best....or blank paper, or 25i (the last two I saw happen to a friend, I smelled & called out some BS on the dude right from the get go, but my buddy still got a couple just to see).
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