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pluteus species ID request
    #19013857 - 10/22/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi all,

Pretty confident these are pluteus, but would like one of the resident experts to confirm which species.  I suspect cervinus but would like to be surer.

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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19013883 - 10/22/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/pluteus.html
This key will be very helpful in determining the species you've found.


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19013907 - 10/22/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yes, thanks for the link, its the one i use... and

sorta tastes like radishes....

i just wanted a confirmation from a mod


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19014342 - 10/22/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are the gills free?


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Joie]
    #19014398 - 10/22/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They look free IMO.
Looks like Pluteus cervinus group although they aren't usually clustered like that.


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19014405 - 10/22/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably Pluteus, but species identification requires a microscope.

How are the forms of the lamellar cystidia?  Does the pileipellis have clamp connections?


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19014455 - 10/22/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you using European keys or did Fredo hook you up with a sneak peek?


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Joie]
    #19014678 - 10/22/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are the gills free?




Hi Joie,

Yes, the gills are free.  More aged specimens at the site had pink gills.

The grouping could be a result of some serious sawdust to work with, it was slabwood covered in sawdust to form a ramp

I was kinda excited to actually eat these (in stew) seeing how, for once, i actually found something before the bugs did.


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19014695 - 10/22/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Probably Pluteus, but species identification requires a microscope.

How are the forms of the lamellar cystidia?  Does the pileipellis have clamp connections?




over my head technically, but give me a year...

would you know how local colleges feel about folks dropping in to use their scopes lol (i'd do it if they let me)


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19014697 - 10/22/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:smile: Cool, thanks for settling that.


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Joie]
    #19014715 - 10/22/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Gravija said:
Are you using European keys or did Fredo hook you up with a sneak peek?




moi?


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19014732 - 10/22/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you using European keys or did Fredo hook you up with a sneak peek?





FAN keys are good but if I was working on one I would speak directly with Fredo & Vellinga.

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would you know how local colleges feel about folks dropping in to use their scopes lol (i'd do it if they let me)




Usually it works out pretty well, I have had very good luck doing this.

Last year I was working on one and I kept posting pics of cheilo and Else kept telling me that those were pleuro.  After 3 go arounds with this Else told me to keep scoping the gill edges until there were no gill edges left, lol....


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Joie]
    #19014825 - 10/22/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i'm sorry i didn't upload a pic of a bigger one where it was more obvious, thank *you* for verifying

many were growing solitarily but there were a few big clumps

the one with the lighter was immense



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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19014844 - 10/22/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That looks like a hell of a place to put Psilocybe/Gymnopilus spores/spawn.


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19015017 - 10/22/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol yes, i'll have to actually find some first :wink:

you should see the piles of sawdust... two stories high

i did lob a few of these pluteus up on the side of one.

speaking of which... i DO have some spores from another post i had a week or so ago, bloodworm was ambivalent, and despite checking the spot, no new fruit.
that said, i have a baggie with quite a few spores in it i saved in case he asked.  the collection bag was coated and when they dried they dropped off nicely into a powder in the corner.


mycowalt was just a few miles away last week (from posts on MO,) too bad i couldn't have asked him lol

this was the first time i've ventured on this site, it was um.. unsanctioned but i couldn't resist.  for now i look forward to spring?


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19015045 - 10/22/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

blablabla


Edited by RuralAnomaly (11/02/13 09:21 PM)


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19077235 - 11/02/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

for the sake of anyone trying to ID in the future, I'm adding to my old post now that I think I have the species narrowed down.  Sorry if its not good form, but on revision i feel these are Pluteus petasatus

http://www.mushroomexpert.com/pluteus_petasatus.html

no micro to confirm, but the above fits very well


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19077473 - 11/02/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I find Pluteus cervinus like those ones all the time but never in a cluster like them! Cool!!! Nice finds OP and yes definitely do something with that area it prime!


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: xfsketch]
    #19077479 - 11/02/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You know what I would spread there? Pluteus salinicus :wink:


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: xfsketch]
    #19077546 - 11/02/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

got spores???? :wink:


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: RuralAnomaly]
    #19077579 - 11/02/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry I dont. But maybe someone else here does :wink:


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: xfsketch]
    #19078618 - 11/03/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IIRC Pluteus spores don't germinate easily unless they're very fresh, and P. petasatus likes this kind of pseudo-terrestrial habitat much more than other members of the genus, so sadly I think that plan won't work out.

Also I think it's excellent form to update threads a week or two later if that's how long it takes to figure out the mushroom's identity. Thank you!


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Re: pluteus species ID request [Re: thiotimoline]
    #19079212 - 11/03/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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IIRC Pluteus spores don't germinate easily unless they're very fresh, and P. petasatus likes this kind of pseudo-terrestrial habitat much more than other members of the genus, so sadly I think that plan won't work out.

Also I think it's excellent form to update threads a week or two later if that's how long it takes to figure out the mushroom's identity. Thank you!




thank you, for this info too.

it'll be fun to watch just to see what all pops up there over time. I'll be checking in the spring


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