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perkysmiles
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Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship
#19012944 - 10/22/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I went hunting yesterday and found my first specimens of craterellus tubaeformis on decaying wood. It was my understanding that all chanterelles formed a symbiotic relationship with the root structures of living trees. The vast majority of chanterelle species cannot be found growing on decaying wood, however this particular species' habitat is that of moss or rotten wood and is found mostly in Spruce forests in eastern North America and Western Hemlock and Douglas Fir in western North America. My question is; how does this species form an ectomycorrhizal relationship with any root structures when it's host is dead? I would have thought that this would surely make it saprotrophic. Is it forming the symbiotic relationship with the mosses that are growing on the decaying woods?
-------------------- To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget. Arundhati Roy
Edited by perkysmiles (10/22/13 10:39 AM)
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pseudotsuga


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Re: Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship [Re: perkysmiles]
#19017874 - 10/23/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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perkysmiles said: My question is; how does this species form an ectomycorrhizal relationship with any root structures when it's host is dead?
The host wasn't dead, it was just fruiting on decaying wood but still is associated with a living root system. I've seen few other mycorrhizal fungi do this, in particular I found candy caps on dead wood as well. You're one lucky duck to be finding C. tubaeformis, they are one of my favorite edibles.
Edited by pseudotsuga (11/03/13 06:34 PM)
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship [Re: pseudotsuga]
#19062028 - 10/31/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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agreed! The mycelium is still connected to living roots somewhere under the ground. The fruiting bodies just happened to bust up thru the decayed wood. I dont think YOu will never find these species on non- decayed downed trees like you would say, a pleurotus species. their myc has to be in the ground.
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Terry M
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Re: Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship [Re: Amanita virosa]
#19080066 - 11/03/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the jury is still out on all Craterellus species. At some point, I'm going to try and fruit my Craterellus cornucopioides culture. I have some hope for it:
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/craterellus_cornucopioides.html
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perkysmiles
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Re: Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship [Re: Terry M]
#19080080 - 11/03/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Terry M said: I think the jury is still out on all Craterellus species. At some point, I'm going to try and fruit my Craterellus cornucopioides culture. I have some hope for it:
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/craterellus_cornucopioides.html
my thoughts exactly. I think not enough is known to make a empirical statement about them regarding there relationship or lack there of with root systems.
-------------------- To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget. Arundhati Roy
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Amanita virosa
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Re: Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship [Re: Terry M]
#19080109 - 11/03/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Terry M said: I think the jury is still out on all Craterellus species. At some point, I'm going to try and fruit my Craterellus cornucopioides culture. I have some hope for it:
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/craterellus_cornucopioides.html
Go for it! Add some moss spores.
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pseudotsuga


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Re: Craterellus tubaeformis and ectomycorrhizal relationship [Re: Amanita virosa]
#19082037 - 11/03/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am going try cloning species of Craterellus we have here in California, C. tubaeformis and C. cornucopioides. Perhaps out east it is a little more ambigious, but here I've collect a lot of black trumpets and they have always found them with tanoak/live oak and/or huckleberry. Never found it with moss though. I guess there is only one way to really find out. I am excited to hear about your progress growing it Terry.
I'm also going to try out Lactarius fragilis var. rubidus (aka L. rubidus) as well, though i am gonna try growing those with potted tanoak or doug-fir. Candy caps are just too good to not give them a shot a cultivation. Looking forward to this hunting season.
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