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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: Illusion [Re: Chronic7]
    #19012296 - 10/22/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen those galaxies in my scope dude. :thumbup:

You are also limited and temporary and anything that tells you anything about being as a certainty is delusion.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: Illusion [Re: Icelander]
    #19012543 - 10/22/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

all delusions require belief, so simply don't believe anything & just be


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Re: Illusion [Re: Chronic7]
    #19012577 - 10/22/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You just stated a belief. :tongue:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Illusion [Re: Icelander]
    #19012758 - 10/22/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if its just a theory then its a belief sure, but if its put into practice then its self effacing


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Re: Illusion [Re: Chronic7]
    #19012988 - 10/22/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Right but you certainly can't show us anything but a belief system. :wink:  In my daily life I've heard your statement many times by various folk and have yet to see anyone live it from what I'm observing.  Sure sounds awesome though, like many seemingly impossible things. :laugh:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Illusion [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19013684 - 10/22/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

HeartAndMind said:
God and I in space alone and nobody else in view,
and where are the people oh Lord I said the earth below,
and the sky overhead, and the dead whom I once knew
That was a dream God smiled and said, a dream that seemed to be true
There were no people living or dead, There was no earth or sky overhead.
There was only myself and you
Why do I feel no fear I asked, meeting you here in this way
For I have sinned I know full well, and there is heaven and there is hell
And is this the Judgment Day?
Nay, those were dreams the great God said, Dreams that have ceased to
be, There are no such things as fear or sin,
There is no you, you have never been. There is nothing at all but you.


Thought I'd share this piece. I got good vibe from it.





I remember reading this poem in a book written by Hilton Hotema.

The last line was my favorite part, because it plays along with this second line:

"There were no people living or dead, There was no earth or sky overhead."

So if there really is no me, and there is no you.

We're left with nothing at all.

It reminds me of this passage from KONX OM PAX:

"You are quite, quite naked: you must take off your husband-clothes, and your baby-clothes, and all your pleasure clothes, and your skin, and your flesh, and your bones, every one of them must come right off. And then you must take off your feelings clothes; and then your idea clothes; and then what we call your tendency clothes which you have always worn, and which make you what you are. After that you take off your consciousness clothes, which you have always thought were your very own self, and you leap out into the cold abyss, and you can’t think how lonely it is. There isn’t any light, or any path, or anything to catch hold of to help you, and there is no Fairy Prince any more; you can’t even here his voice calling to you to come on. There’s nothing to tell you which way to go, and you feel the most horrible sensation of falling away from everything that ever was. You’ve got no nothing at all; you don’t even know how awful it is. You would turn back if you could only stop falling; but luckily you can’t. So you fall and fall faster and faster; and I can’t tell you any more."


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Re: Illusion [Re: Mr. Material]
    #19018293 - 10/23/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that it's so horrible to fall away from everything dear to me. It may be horrible when taken away from, but quite liberating when done consciously.
Maybe I'm missing something?


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Re: Illusion [Re: Icelander]
    #19018765 - 10/23/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I've seen those galaxies in my scope dude. :thumbup:





You think you have.

Illusion is very real.


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Re: Illusion [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19018810 - 10/23/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah that's what I meant.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Illusion [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19025700 - 10/24/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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HeartAndMind said:
Quote:

There is no you, you have never been.




As I understand it, it means that there's no personal you/ I, the ego. It's just an idea, and that idea arises from nothing, so in that way it does not have any real base.


Quote:

There is nothing at all but you.




Every being is 'I' deep underneath personality. Even god is 'I'.




I am that I am.


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Ah, the mystery.
When sight and seen are complete,
who looks through these eyes?

All words are lies.
This statement, too, is false.



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Re: Illusion [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19030998 - 10/25/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

HeartAndMind said:
I don't think that it's so horrible to fall away from everything dear to me. It may be horrible when taken away from, but quite liberating when done consciously.
Maybe I'm missing something?




I think it depends on the person.


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Re: Illusion [Re: Mr. Material]
    #19031253 - 10/25/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Illusion [Re: eve69]
    #19031601 - 10/25/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That was very insightful! :lol:


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