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Clearing the Mind and Relaxing
    #19012403 - 10/22/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's been a while since my last serious mushroom trip, in which I had a largely unpleasant and unfulfilling (certainly uncomfortable) experience, and so I want to make my next trip a beneficial one. My last heavy trip had a serious bodyload component which I'm hoping to avoid or otherwise manage much better in my next trip.

Ultimately, I would love for something profound and healing in my next trip - but will settle for anything positive, or at least not intensely uncomfortable without respite.

I'm after some suggestions from people on ways to reduce or better manage bodyloads on mushroom trips, and also effective ways to clear the mind and relax in general.

I experience tension in my jaw, neck, shoulders, back/spine, and hamstrings. I also occasionally have some difficulty sitting straight, comfortably and breathing in a deep and relaxed manner. Anything which addressed these conditions in particular would be especially useful for me.

FYI, I plan to prepare a mushroom tea with ginger for ingestion. I also intend to fast.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19012434 - 10/22/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Learning how to meditate, and then meditating prior to your trip would sure help with clearing your mind and relaxing during.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: PocketLady]
    #19013383 - 10/22/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The mushroom is a catalyst for your imagination. Go in with the intention of healing yourself; be intensely aware of your problem the whole time. Just holding it in your mind will direct forces to aid the problem, even if it's on a physical level.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: circastes]
    #19015000 - 10/22/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks, guys. I intend to do both these things, so :thumbup:


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19017566 - 10/23/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

IMO one of the most important things is to physically warm up before the shrooms hit. Don't wait for it sitting or laying down, make sure you're in good physical shape, well rested, properly stretched and warmed up. Plenty of time to crash on couches after they hit, just don't start that way. What I found to work for me is focus internally, but keep physically active, like by dancing for instance.

Also take it easy with the fasting, don't go overboard. Low blood sugar will give you weird vibes, you can't be running on empty.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19022081 - 10/23/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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IMO one of the most important things is to physically warm up before the shrooms hit. Don't wait for it sitting or laying down, make sure you're in good physical shape, well rested, properly stretched and warmed up. Plenty of time to crash on couches after they hit, just don't start that way. What I found to work for me is focus internally, but keep physically active, like by dancing for instance.

Also take it easy with the fasting, don't go overboard. Low blood sugar will give you weird vibes, you can't be running on empty.



Thanks, mate. Took your advice re: warming up and staying active for the onset. Took 1.5g P. subs this morning. I had to lie down when they started to hit though. The body load is so strong and strange. It completely transforms the way I feel, like I no longer feel human - I feel very moist and sticky. Everything is kind of soft in what might be a pleasant way, if it weren't for the nausea. So it's unsettling. I find myself feeling more like a plant than a human (or what I imagine a plant would feel like), or sometimes I don't even know what kind of lifeform I might be, and I don't know how to relate my thoughts and experiences to anything. I felt so disoriented and uncomfortable.

At that time, I found myself trying to define the experience in many ways - i guess, in a sense, trying to find a point of origin, or some frame of reference - but I ended settling for "it just is, and it's ok". So I tried to surrender and accept the experience, but it was just too uncomfortable.

I found myself thinking about some of the dreadful physical and psychological experiments the nazis (or the like) did or may have done, or what it would feel like to have some horrible physical defect, or severe mental problems, or various other inescapable sufferings. The atmosphere of old persons' homes, dementia wards, hideous hospitals with patients wailing, and so forth, felt near. The experience had me feeling that it was inhumane to deny people euthanasia.

Anyhow, as unique and interesting as it was, I wasn't having a very good time - as in my previous trip, it felt like i was metabolising a poison and the fact that it might end in a few 'hours' was not very comforting - so I decided to abort. Thankfully most of the tea still seemed to be in my stomach as I ejected it out of my body.

I still have another gram, so I'd like to take a second attempt later tonight (lower dose). For reference, I've had no difficulty with LSD the few times I've taken it. The 'body load' is bliss, so warm and fuzzy. In contrast, it makes everything feel good. It's as though I feel comfortable, no matter what.

Is my experience unique, or do most people get these kind of physical sensations? Others I've spoken to, who've taken shrooms, basically don't know what I'm talking about when I try to describe the 'body load' I experience...


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19023062 - 10/24/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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IMO one of the most important things is to physically warm up before the shrooms hit. Don't wait for it sitting or laying down, make sure you're in good physical shape, well rested, properly stretched and warmed up. Plenty of time to crash on couches after they hit, just don't start that way. What I found to work for me is focus internally, but keep physically active, like by dancing for instance.

Also take it easy with the fasting, don't go overboard. Low blood sugar will give you weird vibes, you can't be running on empty.




This is true, last time i tripped we started with a lite jog. Normally the beginning is the most uncomfortable for me and the jog completely fixed it. Turned out to be a great trip.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19023426 - 10/24/13 03:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For me the body load is a little uncomfortable for the first hour or so, but I normally just ride it out and then end up feeling great after that. 

Do you have any health issues?  If your body or immune system is already a little taxed it might be why mushrooms feel so toxic to you.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19023480 - 10/24/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't take that last gram tonight, you're likely to feel almost nothing due to tolerance. Give it a day or two, it'll work much better. Also preparation-wise, I for one recommend lemon tek. I've used it since the first trip and it never let me down :biggrin:

The good thing about it is that the come up is fast. Like super fast. I've given it to a friend who was used to take just shrooms or tea, she said she was astonished at the speed of onset. I suspect it's easier on your stomach as well, as half the work is already done by the lemons.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19026804 - 10/24/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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For me the body load is a little uncomfortable for the first hour or so, but I normally just ride it out and then end up feeling great after that. 

Do you have any health issues?  If your body or immune system is already a little taxed it might be why mushrooms feel so toxic to you.



Good point. I actually got sick a few times this winter, so my immune system is probably weak at the moment. I've been working on my health, so hopefully it's better next time around.

I feel like I was close to something with the 1.5g attempt - it was actually a lot better than my last bad trip, and I had a really nice time after I ejected the remainder of the tea - hopefully I can nail it next time.

I actually had about 1.4g left - 2 shrooms - so I just had one (0.7g) last night. After a little bit of reading, i decided to take a risk and vape some weed after drinking the tea, hoping it'd help with the nausea. The come-up/onset was very gentle, almost unnoticeable. I wasn't sure whether the shrooms were taking effect, but my pupils seemed pretty dilated. Ended up being a very pleasant, light hearted 'trip'.

I feel like I should still just work my way up the dosage ladder. Hopefully my body/mind becomes better at dealing with it. I still fear them at higher doses, but I know there's something amazing there for me with shrooms.

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I wouldn't take that last gram tonight, you're likely to feel almost nothing due to tolerance. Give it a day or two, it'll work much better. Also preparation-wise, I for one recommend lemon tek. I've used it since the first trip and it never let me down :biggrin:

The good thing about it is that the come up is fast. Like super fast. I've given it to a friend who was used to take just shrooms or tea, she said she was astonished at the speed of onset. I suspect it's easier on your stomach as well, as half the work is already done by the lemons.



I decided to take it cos the timing is good (down at a beach house at the moment, leaving today) and I didn't think my tolerance would be too bad, given I (partially) aborted yesterday's trip. You may be right though - the trip was very mild. Not sure if cos of dosage or tolerance - probably both.

Yeah, I use the lemon tek method (or lime in this case), in a tea. Sounds like a fun trip.


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19027414 - 10/24/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mate lemon tek is lemon juice or actual lemons, plus the shrooms. Blended. You're looking to make the fastest most efficient delivery, from the shroom to your blood and brain. That's why you use the acidic pH of the lemons.

If you add a bunch of water to it, that just complicates matters, reduces effectiveness and IMO increases the risk of you throwing up. It's like having a huge glass of weak Ayahuasca versus a tiny cup of potent one. The huge glass is harder to drink and more likely to get spewed out again, simply due to volume. Furthermore watered down lemons cannot work their magic of breaking down mushies like they're supposed to. YOu have to use juice or the fruits themselves, undiluted.

I may be a bit biased here because I like raw lemons but can't stand them in tea, I've had stomach trouble several times from tea with lemons. Regular tea, no mushrooms :lol:

I hope you try a proper lemon tek at some point, no water, to be able to actually trip and compare. 0.7g on a little tolerance is more like a micro-dose, nowhere near anything


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: Spacerific]
    #19029019 - 10/24/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mate lemon tek is lemon juice or actual lemons, plus the shrooms. Blended. You're looking to make the fastest most efficient delivery, from the shroom to your blood and brain. That's why you use the acidic pH of the lemons.

If you add a bunch of water to it, that just complicates matters, reduces effectiveness and IMO increases the risk of you throwing up. It's like having a huge glass of weak Ayahuasca versus a tiny cup of potent one. The huge glass is harder to drink and more likely to get spewed out again, simply due to volume. Furthermore watered down lemons cannot work their magic of breaking down mushies like they're supposed to. YOu have to use juice or the fruits themselves, undiluted.

I may be a bit biased here because I like raw lemons but can't stand them in tea, I've had stomach trouble several times from tea with lemons. Regular tea, no mushrooms :lol:

I hope you try a proper lemon tek at some point, no water, to be able to actually trip and compare. 0.7g on a little tolerance is more like a micro-dose, nowhere near anything




I grind the dry shrooms very small and add lime (or lemon) so that the surface area of the shrooms is saturated with juice and let it sit for a while to react. I then add some hot water, with ginger + some honey, then let that sit for 5 mins or so. Then I strain it into another cup. The tea doesn't taste fantastic but it's fairly minimal and I prefer it to eating the shrooms raw.

I don't see why this wouldn't work as a lemon tek, but it's been a while since I've read about it - happy to be told otherwise...


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Re: Clearing the Mind and Relaxing [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19029962 - 10/25/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well then it might work indeed. The difference is that IMO the tea might still be more volume, might be more likely to be thrown up again. Someone should chime in about the extraction efficiency of lemons+5 min of infusion in hot water, as opposed to eating the paste with the shrooms inside. I myself am not that well informed in teas as I don't use them.

In general things like hot lemonade I would imagine are likely to upset the stomach, that's why I personally would stick to either simple tea, or to lemon tek, but not try to combine them.

Crap, I might just be projecting my own issues with this. I drink tea all day but the very thought of hot lemonade makes me cringe :lol:

Older thread about this topic, maybe it helps.


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