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Guy claims civil war will happen
    #19011374 - 10/21/13 11:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is the United States really that bad right now?

He's saying once Obamacare kicks in, shits gonna hit the fan.

Granted I do work within a hospital and they seem to be extremely worried about this as well, so although I'm ignorant with much of politics, he sounds extreme but between the hospital I work at and the news I see, shit does not look good. (Was that a run-on sentence?)

Should I grab a tinfoil hat? :tinfoil:


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez] * 1
    #19011404 - 10/21/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People claim war and apocalypse every day. When Obamacare kicks in the world will be exactly the same, except some people that would have died will live and some people that would have bought a boat will have to wait to buy a boat :lol:

People say war will happen over abortion, legal drugs, gay marriage, and the price of potatoes in Idaho. But it never happens


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: bloodsheen]
    #19011426 - 10/21/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This is kind of different though...

How are people going to pay for this healthcare when they already arent paying their bills?

Do low income people who live off welfare have to pay for this too?  That seems like a contradiction.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
    #19011449 - 10/21/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

THere are plenty of posts on this topic in the Political Forum. 

ANd all I know is my healthcare costs just went up 130% next year because of Obamacare.  Thanks Obama... :flipthebird:


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19011463 - 10/21/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

we are going to revisit the civil war.. someday


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    #19011492 - 10/21/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Jesus christ is at work in the land... Praise jesus.... Obamacare is NWO takeover scheme... Socialists and immigrants will destroy this country.

Obamacare is SOCIALISM. The day of the LORD is at hand. Turn to Jesus and resist the globalist agenda.

Don't let them take your guns. Defend the constitution.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH!

Obamacare is a false flag.

They want to destroy America and merge it with Mexico and south America.

Its the federal reserve that is behind it, the Rockefeller and Bilderberg and Rothschild banking cartels.

They have a secret space program. They have their own army.

The alien agenda is mixed up with the occult agenda. The geopolitical spectrum is only the mask of a cosmic chess game between good and evil.

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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19011519 - 10/21/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i do believe we are becoming more and more socialist.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
    #19011552 - 10/22/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grab your dick son, wrap it up!


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: rackem]
    #19011553 - 10/22/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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  Today, we discussed what has happened around this globe. Many events are in play that will finally give you a means to transform this dark realm to the Light. We simply ask that you take this information and use it to gain a better perspective on what is now happening both to you and to the societies that make up this reality! Know, dear Ones, that the countless Supply and never-ending Prosperity of Heaven are indeed Yours! So Be It! Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja! (Sirian for Be One! and Be in Joy!)




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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Shroomism]
    #19011818 - 10/22/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm pretty confident that the US will see another civil war within the next 5 yrs. IDK if Obamacare will be the final straw to bring the people to revolt, but it certainly isn't helping matters.

Yes, everyone is paying for it, and if you don't there's a monster fine. However, there are some Contitutional Lawyers who have come forward saying that Obamacare is DEFINITELY Unconcstitutional and they will represent anyone who chooses not to pay the fine free of charge. (I have no references or proof of this. My father told me about it, and I haven't checked to verify.)


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19011827 - 10/22/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Jesus christ is at work in the land... Praise jesus.... Obamacare is NWO takeover scheme... Socialists and immigrants will destroy this country.

Obamacare is SOCIALISM. The day of the LORD is at hand. Turn to Jesus and resist the globalist agenda.






so jesus wouldnt want all people to have health care that could save their life

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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: TopPmz]
    #19011831 - 10/22/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Idk if you guys new this but there already was a civil war like 200 years ago..

We won BTW


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19011836 - 10/22/13 01:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Could we lose in a civil war?:confused:


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: TopPmz]
    #19011844 - 10/22/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm pretty confident that the US will see another civil war within the next 5 yrs. IDK if Obamacare will be the final straw to bring the people to revolt, but it certainly isn't helping matters.





i believe the attempted control of firearm will be the last event before such drastic action will take place

you would think the poisoning of our food and water would be enough motivation to bring us to war lol


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 2
    #19011854 - 10/22/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We're nowhere near a civil war, I'd bet good money we won't be facing that kind of war in between now and 2015 if I believed anyone would pay-up.

Where's all the money I'm owed from the whole "2012" bs?


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011881 - 10/22/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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TopPmz said:
I'm pretty confident that the US will see another civil war within the next 5 yrs. IDK if Obamacare will be the final straw to bring the people to revolt, but it certainly isn't helping matters.





i believe the attempted control of firearm will be the last event before such drastic action will take place

you would think the poisoning of our food and water would be enough motivation to bring us to war lol



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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: TopPmz] * 1
    #19011899 - 10/22/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

IMO world war 3 will happen before a civil war, and that would only bring us together.

Americans don't have the balls to revolt against the government.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19011924 - 10/22/13 01:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it's likely the two will overlap.

Yes they do, just not enough who are willing to work together.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: volcomstoner]
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #19011968 - 10/22/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Considering our military is much more advanced than they let on tech wise... Well good luck revolutionists lololol

Soundwaves to fuck you up. Microwaves to fuck you up. Biological weapons.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Mescalean]
    #19011991 - 10/22/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

they already have declared war on us though use of psychological attacks thanks to mk ultra

fucking project paperclip


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    #19012046 - 10/22/13 02:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Paperclip = beginning of the fourth reich


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez] * 1
    #19012127 - 10/22/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is the United States really that bad right now?




No, it's not.

If it ever gets to that point, you won't have to ask.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Mescalean]
    #19012232 - 10/22/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Paperclip = beginning of the fourth reich



Paperclip = SHUT UP YOU STUPID PAPERCLIP, NOBODY LIKES YOU!


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    #19012271 - 10/22/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Guy claims civil war will happen...


What guy?  No linky?

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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Ogla]
    #19012281 - 10/22/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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rackem said:
i do believe we are becoming more and more socialist.




Good.

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http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-spends-80-million-on-armed-guards-for-civil-disturbances/
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Infowars :facepalm:


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they already have declared war on us though use of psychological attacks thanks to mk ultra

fucking project paperclip



The paperclip does engage in psychological warfare. NO, I don't want to open a new document.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
    #19012415 - 10/22/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is the United States really that bad right now?

He's saying once Obamacare kicks in, shits gonna hit the fan.





it's already hitting the fan

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/21/hundreds-of-thousands-lose-insurance
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/morning_call/2013/08/ups-to-drop-15000-spouses-from.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search

thanks to obamacare, now those that had preexisting conditions that did
have coverage, no longer have it.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/October/21/cancellation-notices-health-insurance.aspx


apparently Obama thinks that increased rates makes it affordable
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2013/October/21/cancellation-notices-health-insurance.aspx


civil war? unlikely


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Mescalean] * 1
    #19012419 - 10/22/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Considering our military is much more advanced than they let on tech wise... Well good luck revolutionists lololol

Soundwaves to fuck you up. Microwaves to fuck you up. Biological weapons.





the US military is comprised of US citizens, who will operate the advanced
equipment? think that all these US citizens will just blindly follow orders
that violate the constitution when they've sworn an oath to uphold it?

does no one think that far ahead? the military isnt comprised of robots


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    #19012424 - 10/22/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Jesus christ is at work in the land... Praise jesus.... Obamacare is NWO takeover scheme... Socialists and immigrants will destroy this country.

Obamacare is SOCIALISM. The day of the LORD is at hand. Turn to Jesus and resist the globalist agenda.






so jesus wouldnt want all people to have health care that could save their life

:huxleyfacepalm:





show us in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (obamacare) where
it will actually provide any form of health care, why doesnt anyone
actually read the shit that they so blindly support, millions have already
lost their insurance due to obamacare and millions more will lose it before
the first of the year

now please show us where obamacare provides any sort of health care


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #19012493 - 10/22/13 08:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Jesus christ is at work in the land... Praise jesus.... Obamacare is NWO takeover scheme... Socialists and immigrants will destroy this country.

Obamacare is SOCIALISM. The day of the LORD is at hand. Turn to Jesus and resist the globalist agenda.

Don't let them take your guns. Defend the constitution.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH!

Obamacare is a false flag.

They want to destroy America and merge it with Mexico and south America.

Its the federal reserve that is behind it, the Rockefeller and Bilderberg and Rothschild banking cartels.

They have a secret space program. They have their own army.

The alien agenda is mixed up with the occult agenda. The geopolitical spectrum is only the mask of a cosmic chess game between good and evil.

Satan and God.



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"Obamacare is SOCIALISM"

No it isn't, explain to me how health care companies making more money is a socialist program?

Obama Care is the corporate takeover of the health care system, the majority of Americans have been told it's a social program, it is not universal health care, it's the complete opposite.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
    #19012518 - 10/22/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Obama Care is the corporate takeover of the health care system, the majority of Americans have been told it's a social program, it is not universal health care, it's the complete opposite.





the corporate world has owned healthcare for more than a hundred years, this
is government mandating that you buy a service and levying a fine if you dont


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez] * 1
    #19012537 - 10/22/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What would the two opposing sides consist of in this imagined civil war...? It sounds like you are talking about a revolution of the people against the state, not a civil war.

You really think a war would start over healthcare..? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Less Infowars and Faux News would probably be a good idea.


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    #19012545 - 10/22/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Obama Care is the corporate takeover of the health care system, the majority of Americans have been told it's a social program, it is not universal health care, it's the complete opposite.





the corporate world has owned healthcare for more than a hundred years, this
is government mandating that you buy a service and levying a fine if you dont




I agree, Obama Care was written by the corporate health care interests, the "Socialists" had nothing to do with it, this is corporate fascism at its finest.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19012546 - 10/22/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck doctors, fuck hopitals, fuck obama care. If you find me bleeding to death on the side of the road, apply a tourniquet and move on.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Rockhound]
    #19012559 - 10/22/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What would the two opposing sides consist of in this imagined civil war...? It sounds like you are talking about a revolution of the people against the state, not a civil war.

You really think a war would start over healthcare..? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Less Infowars and Faux News would probably be a good idea.


:popcorn:




There are going to be very severe penalties for not buying the "insurance", this is not about health care.


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    #19012581 - 10/22/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So the republicans will want to go to war vs the democrats, the republican states all have the highest obesity rate.

They'll walk half a mile with the intent of war then they'll say fuck it, were going home, our feet hurt.


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    #19012624 - 10/22/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is the United States really that bad right now?

He's saying once Obamacare kicks in, shits gonna hit the fan.

Granted I do work within a hospital and they seem to be extremely worried about this as well, so although I'm ignorant with much of politics, he sounds extreme but between the hospital I work at and the news I see, shit does not look good. (Was that a run-on sentence?)

Should I grab a tinfoil hat? :tinfoil:




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    #19012660 - 10/22/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So the republicans will want to go to war vs the democrats, the republican states all have the highest obesity rate.

They'll walk half a mile with the intent of war then they'll say fuck it, were going home, our feet hurt.




If it weren't for the fact that the north had to win the civil war to end slavery, in hindsight, it would have been much better to just lose the war and let the south fester in its own idiocy. Good riddance. Those states do nothing but mooch off of the rest of the country and then complain about other people getting government handouts.

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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

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Can we stop idolizing these people and treating their words like gospel (if those are actually his words - there is a lot of fabrication when it comes to quotes of the founding fathers). They were seriously flawed human beings.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez] * 2
    #19012733 - 10/22/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look what happened when we found out about what NSA is doing.  There will never be a civil war in this country unless people started starving, or maybe if they try to take peoples guns away (though I don't think that would even do it.)  99% of the people here are way too afraid to die to start any shit, and with good reason.  Dying sucks and a civil war probably wouldn't produce a better alternative anyway.


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    #19012778 - 10/22/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare.  All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense.  THAT's Obamacare.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
    #19013107 - 10/22/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What would the two opposing sides consist of in this imagined civil war...? It sounds like you are talking about a revolution of the people against the state, not a civil war.

You really think a war would start over healthcare..? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Less Infowars and Faux News would probably be a good idea.


:popcorn:




There are going to be very severe penalties for not buying the "insurance", this is not about health care.





I understood there was a modest fine.. What is it about, and what are these "severe penalties" then..?


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
    #19013140 - 10/22/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They can't levy a fine if you don't get a tax refund (that's the only way they can take the money from you legally for this) so just work your taxes so that you aren't owed a refund, and don't pay the Obamacare tax.  It's that fucking simple, guys.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19013177 - 10/22/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
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egodeathflux said:
What would the two opposing sides consist of in this imagined civil war...? It sounds like you are talking about a revolution of the people against the state, not a civil war.

You really think a war would start over healthcare..? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Less Infowars and Faux News would probably be a good idea.


:popcorn:




There are going to be very severe penalties for not buying the "insurance", this is not about health care.





I understood there was a modest fine.. What is it about, and what are these "severe penalties" then..?




"2016- $2085 per family, or 2.5% of income, whichever is greater."

http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2012/06/2014-tax-penalties-for-not-having-health-insurance-under-obamacare.html

They will also hike the penalty every year after 2016 based on inflation.

They are trying to make citizens buy insurance in the "free market" from (for profit) companies that are going to be charging high rates for very shitty coverage (15,000 deductibles, 60/40 expense payout).


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    #19013191 - 10/22/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Welcome to every other first-world country in the world where people aren't afraid to go to the doctor when they're sick.


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    #19013202 - 10/22/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Should I grab a tinfoil hat? :tinfoil:




youll last longer, in a kevlar hat and body armor........


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    #19013241 - 10/22/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare.  All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense.  THAT's Obamacare.



Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.


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    #19013277 - 10/22/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare.  All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense.  THAT's Obamacare.



Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.




The IRS is monitoring and enforcing the penalties, people might not be fined, but they will still pay the penalty amount of money on the tax return.


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    #19013278 - 10/22/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They are trying to make citizens buy insurance in the "free market" from (for profit) companies that are going to be charging high rates for very shitty coverage (15,000 deductibles, 60/40 expense payout).




Jesus Christ. do you even remember how hard the democrats fought to get a public option? Did you support a public option? If not, stop complaining that the only providers are for profit companies (which is total bullshit, anyways. There are non-profit providers as well)


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    #19013294 - 10/22/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare.  All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense.  THAT's Obamacare.



Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.




The IRS is monitoring and enforcing the penalties, people might not be fined, but they will still pay the penalty amount of money on the tax return.




I doubt it.


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    #19013307 - 10/22/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i dont give a rats ass about their petty fine.


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They are trying to make citizens buy insurance in the "free market" from (for profit) companies that are going to be charging high rates for very shitty coverage (15,000 deductibles, 60/40 expense payout).




Jesus Christ. do you even remember how hard the democrats fought to get a public option? Did you support a public option? If not, stop complaining that the only providers are for profit companies (which is total bullshit, anyways. There are non-profit providers as well)




"fought to get a public option" 

No they didn't.

"Did you support a public option?"

I'm in favor of universal health care systems (France, Germany, Canada ect.).


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    #19013320 - 10/22/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Me too. Obamacare sucks compared to a single payer system. Single payer would never fly in this country due to the absurd mentality of conservatives.


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The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare.  All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense.  THAT's Obamacare.



Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.




The IRS is monitoring and enforcing the penalties, people might not be fined, but they will still pay the penalty amount of money on the tax return.




I doubt it.




http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2012/06/2014-tax-penalties-for-not-having-health-insurance-under-obamacare.html

I pretty sure they are serious, the IRS doesn't usually play games.


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    #19013368 - 10/22/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Show me the part where the IRS says these things.


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    #19013399 - 10/22/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Show me the part where the IRS says these things.




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    #19013470 - 10/22/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Show me the part where the IRS says these things.




If Obama Care has tax penalties in the passing of this act, what would make you question the IRS not enforcing the new provisions in the tax code?

I would love to believe that the IRS will just ignore the new tax penalties, something tells me they won't forget about it.


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    #19013480 - 10/22/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They said that the CIA predicted that the war would happen three years before it first sprung up. They informed the citizens that they weren't allowing anyone to know that they were going to postpone their decision to wage war because they had other problems. They also later found a man that claimed to have appeared in a war he cannot remember, they said all his memory was erased after the war ended. Since he never returned home with a full memory intact they had to patch him up with the greatest ambulance service known to mankind. Certain services can provide you with much more benevolent affection from a liberal entity which produces a world of lavish delights that you can marvel at, since indeed, you might seem to reveal the traits that formerly associated your pleasure receptacles to exchanging the rays of warm affection emitted to curl you up in a protective cover which saves you from worrying of your peril.

For certain places make us seem provided for without anyone even seeming to give that impression, as if they provide but also wish to give off the impression that you lost the privilege to stay any longer, and the longer you stayed the more you thought of your old home, but which may never allow you to return back from where you came from after visiting such a prestigious place. If you don't return home you will go somewhere that appears like home, or gives you a feeling of returning back to a place you recognize as home. Certain houses might not have any pictures of the houses they lived at before moving here, since, they may have sent them to their relatives so they could see where they used to live and now where they are. I knew someone that wished to see a picture of me while I lived in France, I had my picture taken outside a french cafe, this cafe I had eaten at regularly, I knew that they always served me with the utmost ability to provide nourishment in its overly satisfying staff. Actually my mother used to know that the staff members would talk about all of us entering, they would start to point at him and say something about his appearance. Sometimes they would go up to one o fthem and ask them if they wish to appear in a comic sscript, a burlesque comedy script I writ three years before actually presenting it.

I wrote it while I was in a mad house. I forgot to mention that all future reference to myself never actually happened. Noone ever knew anyone that went by my name for I signed up without my real one. I put my brothers on the papers so noone would find who I really am. Well there is an asylum close by here, I believe that it recently moved from London to France to get closer to another asylum. Incidentally it appears that there was an asylum built there 30 years before they changed its position.

The position of asylums would rotate in a vertical angle which might consist of demonstrating a reluctance to the mad house approaching occupants to be requested to appear, since some people they wouldn't invite because they felt they would scare the people inside the mad house. You know how mad men can seem to appear very calm on the outside but inside they are burning with eternal madness. You can seem the madness appear in various outlines blurred in the presented face, sometimes the face might appear to reveal an outline that resembles a life other than your own, a world that appears separate from anything you knew before it. I remember someones head actually lifted itself off its body and floated out of the theater.  All the actors watched as if stunned by the act of it leaving his head. One of the members in the audience jumped out of seat to run over to the head to place it back on his body, but it had already floated three ft away from him as he approached it, and then, even while he made a vigorous cat like springing jump, still failed to capture the head before it vanished. It actually flew out of the movie theater and noone saw it at all afterwards. They said there was a rumor it was flying outside the mans house, perhaps floating over the top of his home. That was a definite possibility because later on the news documented the fact.


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    #19013548 - 10/22/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What?


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    #19013563 - 10/22/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What?



ya really, thats what i was thinking.........

personally, i think flim-flama care ,
is an unconstitutional scam .

however,
after drkennys post, id suggest he sign up fer sure.


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    #19013713 - 10/22/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Show me the part where the IRS says these things.




If Obama Care has tax penalties in the passing of this act, what would make you question the IRS not enforcing the new provisions in the tax code?




Because nothing in this law is being implemented as planned.


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What?



ya really, thats what i was thinking.........

personally, i think flim-flama care ,
is an unconstitutional scam .

however,
after drkennys post, id suggest he sign up fer sure.




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    #19014016 - 10/22/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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now please show us where obamacare provides any sort of health care




it sounds good to me

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    #19014245 - 10/22/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Considering our military is much more advanced than they let on tech wise... Well good luck revolutionists lololol

Soundwaves to fuck you up. Microwaves to fuck you up. Biological weapons.





the US military is comprised of US citizens, who will operate the advanced
equipment? think that all these US citizens will just blindly follow orders
that violate the constitution when they've sworn an oath to uphold it?

does no one think that far ahead? the military isnt comprised of robots




Yes I know they are not robots. Im sure the us government would be overwhelmed with joy if they did have an army of robots. You have to admit though as a whole americans don't have the best ba detectors. I believe there are those who would stand up. But there would also be those who will blindly follow orders. Men blindly following orders has happened before in other nations. I don't see america as being special or any different.


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Obama Care is the corporate takeover of the health care system, the majority of Americans have been told it's a social program, it is not universal health care, it's the complete opposite.





the corporate world has owned healthcare for more than a hundred years, this
is government mandating that you buy a service and levying a fine if you dont




I agree, Obama Care was written by the corporate health care interests, the "Socialists" had nothing to do with it, this is corporate fascism at its finest.





crony capitalism... I'm curious as to what Obama's stock portfolio looks
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now please show us where obamacare provides any sort of health care




it sounds good to me

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-pros-and-cons.php





please show us where obamacare provides any sort of health care


here's a helpful tip, it should be in the actual bill, that's where I suggest
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    #19015919 - 10/22/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ObamaCare focuses more on making sure people are covered than it does on addressing the cost of care in the first place.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Mescalean]
    #19015921 - 10/22/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Men blindly following orders has happened before in other nations. I don't see america as being special or any different.





people dont blindly follow orders, they do so for 2 reason, fear and beliefs

they either fear the penalties for disregarding an order or they believe in
the order and a great example of both is seen in the nazi party during the
second world war


you dont see the US as being different because you clearly dont see
america, you see what you want to believe america to be. when hurricane
katrina hit the gulf coast the cops around new orleans decided to
confiscate guns to reduce issues of violence. the members of the national
guard refused to do so, the reason the cops did was because it's a high
crime city with a democrat mayor that doesnt give two shits about the
constitution or the rights of people while the national guard is sworn to
uphold the second amendment

most people serving in the military are constitutionalists, they wont
blindly follow orders, a few may, at most it would be in around 10%, that
would mean that 20,000 people would be left but then the 1.8 million that
refuse also have the same access to all the military weaponry

who will win? we fought for 12 years in afghanistan, 'cave people' as anti
war liberals have been known to call them, why has the war taken so long 
if we're fighting people that have no technology and we're the most
advanced military in the world?


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Konyap]
    #19015936 - 10/22/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
ObamaCare focuses more on making sure people are covered than it does on addressing the cost of care in the first place.





it makes sure that the uninsured are 'covered' in what way?

does obamacare provide insurance?


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19015976 - 10/22/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what goes around comes around.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19015988 - 10/22/13 08:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

why has the war taken so long
if we're fighting people that have no technology and we're the most
advanced military in the world?


india->pakistan->afganistan


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Konyap]
    #19016166 - 10/22/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
why has the war taken so long
if we're fighting people that have no technology and we're the most
advanced military in the world?


india->pakistan->afganistan






we arent at war with india or pakistan


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19016264 - 10/22/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oh that's right we're at war with the middle east and northern africa:lol:


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Konyap]
    #19016299 - 10/22/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:facepalm:


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19016773 - 10/22/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Okay good point with the "cave people"

So it'll look like "pedestrians + some military + police vs. some military + some police ?


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Mescalean]
    #19017017 - 10/22/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Its really simple- flashpoint gaza strip, israel-palestine, Iran-Israel, America-china, downgrade the credit rating, push through the carbon tax, two or three more patriot act style legal reforms (NSA, NDAA) , then instigate a hegellian problem-reaction-solution- engineer a global economic collapse, institute martial law to order the resutling chaos, the deep state, the government in waiting , seizes its opportunity, America morphs into the new fascist america .

AND OBAMACARE WAS THE SPERM THAT FERTILIZED THE EGG OF THE NEW CIVIL WAR

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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
    #19017247 - 10/23/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Could we lose in a civil war?:confused:




Everyone loses in a civil war.  'Civil' wars are the most uncivilized kind.  They pit brother against brother, son against father, and foster the most unspeakable atrocities.

Conservatives like to think they are the only gun lovers in this country and that if a civil war broke out, they could end it in a day and just 'take the country back'... but I vote liberal and also love guns, and I know many others like me.  A civil war would be no cake walk for either side.

Let's just hope it doesn't happen, mkay?


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19017687 - 10/23/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Conservatives like to think they are the only gun lovers in this country and that if a civil war broke out, they could end it in a day and just 'take the country back'... but I vote liberal and also love guns, and I know many others like me.  A civil war would be no cake walk for either side.





conservatives dont sit around imagining there will be a civil war because
they dont think the government is broken, they think the politicians are
and conservatives know how to rid themselves of the trash in washngton,
the problem that conservatives have is that there's the leftists that
want everything handed to them and they gobble up every lie a liberal
politician tells as if it was the jizz straight from obamas tap. they
chose to believe the politicians when they said we'd be getting universal
healthcare and that obamacare would make insurance affordable, that it would
provide coverage for the 45 million uninsured, which has now expanded to
nearly 6 million due to layoffs and jobs being ended so employers wouldnt
have to comply with obamacare mandates, the same mandates that obama was
giving a free pass on to large corporations and unions

nope, conservatives know there wont be a civil war, they do know that a
bunch of fringe nutters will talk about it though, nutters on both sides,
but are those nutters any nuttier than the gun owning liberal that says
that obamacare cant be repealed because it's the law of the land even
though so many are trying to repeal the second amendment even though it's
been the law of the land for 220 years longer than obamacare


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19017727 - 10/23/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Schmendrick said:
Conservatives like to think they are the only gun lovers in this country and that if a civil war broke out, they could end it in a day and just 'take the country back'... but I vote liberal and also love guns, and I know many others like me.  A civil war would be no cake walk for either side.





conservatives dont sit around imagining there will be a civil war because
they dont think the government is broken, they think the politicians are
and conservatives know how to rid themselves of the trash in washngton,
the problem that conservatives have is that there's the leftists that
want everything handed to them and they gobble up every lie a liberal
politician tells as if it was the jizz straight from obamas tap. they
chose to believe the politicians when they said we'd be getting universal
healthcare and that obamacare would make insurance affordable, that it would
provide coverage for the 45 million uninsured, which has now expanded to
nearly 6 million due to layoffs and jobs being ended so employers wouldnt
have to comply with obamacare mandates, the same mandates that obama was
giving a free pass on to large corporations and unions

nope, conservatives know there wont be a civil war, they do know that a
bunch of fringe nutters will talk about it though, nutters on both sides,
but are those nutters any nuttier than the gun owning liberal that says
that obamacare cant be repealed because it's the law of the land even
though so many are trying to repeal the second amendment even though it's
been the law of the land for 220 years longer than obamacare




First of all, the jizz thing was gross and uncalled for.  maybe YOU like to drink jizz but are scared of your own true nature and so try to project your hatred for yourself onto others.  I don't, but to each his own I guess.  Deal with your own problems, don't assume everyone has the same issues as you.

Secondly, show me where I said either of the things you claim.  I would never vote any politician into office who even hinted at anything so ridiculous as repealing the second amendment, and of of course Obamacare could be repealed if people actually wanted it to be.  But they DON'T.  No informed person really likes Obamacare, but many people dislike it for very different reasons from you; for instance, I dislike it because it doesn't go far enough to extend coverage and because the Supreme Court ruled that states did not have to expand medicaid, thereby allowing states with conservative governors to opt out, crippling the whole thing from the outset (I live in Texas).  I do NOT think it is some sort of 'socialist plot', nor do I want it repealed.  I would have preferred a single payer system, and I am pissed that Obama caved on that.  But it is what it is, and it can be built on in the future.

Remember fella, just because you surround yourself with people who think, talk and act the way you do and who agree with everything you say does NOT mean the rest of the country thinks that way.  Your drinking buddies might have you convinced that the whole country wants it repealed and that Obama just won't let it happen.. but that is simply not the case.

Anyway, technically I am not a 'liberal' (at least probably not your version of it).  The closest labelled ideology to how I view things is Vallentyne left libertarian.  I am quite sure I don't fit into any of the neat little boxes you have apparently drawn in your head and are trying to shove me into.  The world is a complicated place with lots of overlapping and differing points of view.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Moonshoe]
    #19017824 - 10/23/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Its really simple- flashpoint gaza strip, israel-palestine, Iran-Israel, America-china, downgrade the credit rating, push through the carbon tax, two or three more patriot act style legal reforms (NSA, NDAA) , then instigate a hegellian problem-reaction-solution- engineer a global economic collapse, institute martial law to order the resutling chaos, the deep state, the government in waiting , seizes its opportunity, America morphs into the new fascist america .

AND OBAMACARE WAS THE SPERM THAT FERTILIZED THE EGG OF THE NEW CIVIL WAR

:holyshit:  :cuteshit:  :glittershitz:




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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
    #19017876 - 10/23/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is the United States really that bad right now?

He's saying once Obamacare kicks in, shits gonna hit the fan.

Granted I do work within a hospital and they seem to be extremely worried about this as well, so although I'm ignorant with much of politics, he sounds extreme but between the hospital I work at and the news I see, shit does not look good. (Was that a run-on sentence?)

Should I grab a tinfoil hat? :tinfoil:



Of course civil war will happen within the United States. Given a country that covers a continent it is inevitable that can't last forever. Even if it lasts for a thousand years like Rome it will break up and be fought over. As long as there are humans it is inevitable that civil wars will happen. Eventually yellowstone volcano will erupt and blot out the sun for a while too. Which is more of an imminent threat to human civilization on North America? Both, but not anytime soon.


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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19017902 - 10/23/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Obama Care is the corporate takeover of the health care system, the majority of Americans have been told it's a social program, it is not universal health care, it's the complete opposite.





the corporate world has owned healthcare for more than a hundred years, this
is government mandating that you buy a service and levying a fine if you dont




I agree, Obama Care was written by the corporate health care interests, the "Socialists" had nothing to do with it, this is corporate fascism at its finest.





crony capitalism... I'm curious as to what Obama's stock portfolio looks
like, I'm sure that nancy pelosi and harry reid are heavily invested in
medicine and insurance





Health care related stocks have soared this year, so all that lobbying has definitely paid off as investors anticipate large profits down the road, why don't the liberals ever mention how happy Obama Care has made the capitalists? :rofl2:


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