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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
#19013107 - 10/22/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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egodeathflux said: What would the two opposing sides consist of in this imagined civil war...? It sounds like you are talking about a revolution of the people against the state, not a civil war.
You really think a war would start over healthcare..? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Less Infowars and Faux News would probably be a good idea.

There are going to be very severe penalties for not buying the "insurance", this is not about health care.
I understood there was a modest fine.. What is it about, and what are these "severe penalties" then..?
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
#19013140 - 10/22/13 11:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They can't levy a fine if you don't get a tax refund (that's the only way they can take the money from you legally for this) so just work your taxes so that you aren't owed a refund, and don't pay the Obamacare tax. It's that fucking simple, guys.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: egodeathflux]
#19013177 - 10/22/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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egodeathflux said: What would the two opposing sides consist of in this imagined civil war...? It sounds like you are talking about a revolution of the people against the state, not a civil war.
You really think a war would start over healthcare..? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Less Infowars and Faux News would probably be a good idea.

There are going to be very severe penalties for not buying the "insurance", this is not about health care.
I understood there was a modest fine.. What is it about, and what are these "severe penalties" then..?
"2016- $2085 per family, or 2.5% of income, whichever is greater."
http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2012/06/2014-tax-penalties-for-not-having-health-insurance-under-obamacare.html
They will also hike the penalty every year after 2016 based on inflation.
They are trying to make citizens buy insurance in the "free market" from (for profit) companies that are going to be charging high rates for very shitty coverage (15,000 deductibles, 60/40 expense payout).
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: mpd]
#19013191 - 10/22/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Welcome to every other first-world country in the world where people aren't afraid to go to the doctor when they're sick.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
#19013202 - 10/22/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should I grab a tinfoil hat? 
youll last longer, in a kevlar hat and body armor........
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: mpd]
#19013241 - 10/22/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mpd said: The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare. All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense. THAT's Obamacare.
Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: koods]
#19013277 - 10/22/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mpd said: The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare. All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense. THAT's Obamacare.
Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.
The IRS is monitoring and enforcing the penalties, people might not be fined, but they will still pay the penalty amount of money on the tax return.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman] 2
#19013278 - 10/22/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: They are trying to make citizens buy insurance in the "free market" from (for profit) companies that are going to be charging high rates for very shitty coverage (15,000 deductibles, 60/40 expense payout).
Jesus Christ. do you even remember how hard the democrats fought to get a public option? Did you support a public option? If not, stop complaining that the only providers are for profit companies (which is total bullshit, anyways. There are non-profit providers as well)
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
#19013294 - 10/22/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mpd said: The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare. All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense. THAT's Obamacare.
Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.
The IRS is monitoring and enforcing the penalties, people might not be fined, but they will still pay the penalty amount of money on the tax return.
I doubt it.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: koods]
#19013307 - 10/22/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont give a rats ass about their petty fine.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: koods]
#19013309 - 10/22/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said: They are trying to make citizens buy insurance in the "free market" from (for profit) companies that are going to be charging high rates for very shitty coverage (15,000 deductibles, 60/40 expense payout).
Jesus Christ. do you even remember how hard the democrats fought to get a public option? Did you support a public option? If not, stop complaining that the only providers are for profit companies (which is total bullshit, anyways. There are non-profit providers as well)
"fought to get a public option"
No they didn't.
"Did you support a public option?"
I'm in favor of universal health care systems (France, Germany, Canada ect.).
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
#19013320 - 10/22/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Me too. Obamacare sucks compared to a single payer system. Single payer would never fly in this country due to the absurd mentality of conservatives.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: koods]
#19013325 - 10/22/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mpd said: The fine is $95 or 2% of your income for not participating in Obamacare. All you youngsters need to go out and sign up for Obamacare and bleed through the nose so that you can float the healthcare boat enough to pay for older Americans (like me) who have high healthcare needs and have to be subsidized at your expense. THAT's Obamacare.
Nobody is going to be fined. We all know it.
The IRS is monitoring and enforcing the penalties, people might not be fined, but they will still pay the penalty amount of money on the tax return.
I doubt it.
http://www.savingtoinvest.com/2012/06/2014-tax-penalties-for-not-having-health-insurance-under-obamacare.html
I pretty sure they are serious, the IRS doesn't usually play games.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
#19013368 - 10/22/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Show me the part where the IRS says these things.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: koods]
#19013399 - 10/22/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL, like actual law has anything to do with the IRS.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: koods]
#19013470 - 10/22/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Show me the part where the IRS says these things.
If Obama Care has tax penalties in the passing of this act, what would make you question the IRS not enforcing the new provisions in the tax code?
I would love to believe that the IRS will just ignore the new tax penalties, something tells me they won't forget about it.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: cez]
#19013480 - 10/22/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They said that the CIA predicted that the war would happen three years before it first sprung up. They informed the citizens that they weren't allowing anyone to know that they were going to postpone their decision to wage war because they had other problems. They also later found a man that claimed to have appeared in a war he cannot remember, they said all his memory was erased after the war ended. Since he never returned home with a full memory intact they had to patch him up with the greatest ambulance service known to mankind. Certain services can provide you with much more benevolent affection from a liberal entity which produces a world of lavish delights that you can marvel at, since indeed, you might seem to reveal the traits that formerly associated your pleasure receptacles to exchanging the rays of warm affection emitted to curl you up in a protective cover which saves you from worrying of your peril.
For certain places make us seem provided for without anyone even seeming to give that impression, as if they provide but also wish to give off the impression that you lost the privilege to stay any longer, and the longer you stayed the more you thought of your old home, but which may never allow you to return back from where you came from after visiting such a prestigious place. If you don't return home you will go somewhere that appears like home, or gives you a feeling of returning back to a place you recognize as home. Certain houses might not have any pictures of the houses they lived at before moving here, since, they may have sent them to their relatives so they could see where they used to live and now where they are. I knew someone that wished to see a picture of me while I lived in France, I had my picture taken outside a french cafe, this cafe I had eaten at regularly, I knew that they always served me with the utmost ability to provide nourishment in its overly satisfying staff. Actually my mother used to know that the staff members would talk about all of us entering, they would start to point at him and say something about his appearance. Sometimes they would go up to one o fthem and ask them if they wish to appear in a comic sscript, a burlesque comedy script I writ three years before actually presenting it.
I wrote it while I was in a mad house. I forgot to mention that all future reference to myself never actually happened. Noone ever knew anyone that went by my name for I signed up without my real one. I put my brothers on the papers so noone would find who I really am. Well there is an asylum close by here, I believe that it recently moved from London to France to get closer to another asylum. Incidentally it appears that there was an asylum built there 30 years before they changed its position.
The position of asylums would rotate in a vertical angle which might consist of demonstrating a reluctance to the mad house approaching occupants to be requested to appear, since some people they wouldn't invite because they felt they would scare the people inside the mad house. You know how mad men can seem to appear very calm on the outside but inside they are burning with eternal madness. You can seem the madness appear in various outlines blurred in the presented face, sometimes the face might appear to reveal an outline that resembles a life other than your own, a world that appears separate from anything you knew before it. I remember someones head actually lifted itself off its body and floated out of the theater. All the actors watched as if stunned by the act of it leaving his head. One of the members in the audience jumped out of seat to run over to the head to place it back on his body, but it had already floated three ft away from him as he approached it, and then, even while he made a vigorous cat like springing jump, still failed to capture the head before it vanished. It actually flew out of the movie theater and noone saw it at all afterwards. They said there was a rumor it was flying outside the mans house, perhaps floating over the top of his home. That was a definite possibility because later on the news documented the fact.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: drkkenny]
#19013548 - 10/22/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What?
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: Repertoire89]
#19013563 - 10/22/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: What?
ya really, thats what i was thinking.........
personally, i think flim-flama care , is an unconstitutional scam .
however, after drkennys post, id suggest he sign up fer sure.
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Re: Guy claims civil war will happen [Re: qman]
#19013713 - 10/22/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Show me the part where the IRS says these things.
If Obama Care has tax penalties in the passing of this act, what would make you question the IRS not enforcing the new provisions in the tax code?
Because nothing in this law is being implemented as planned.
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