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    #19010879 - 10/21/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We had our enrollment today for the new healthcare, so......

1) My premiums doubled
2) My deductible went up times 2.5
3) My total out of pocket went up times 2
4) Co-pays and prescription prices went up 2 to 3 times.

So I only saw about, oh, 130% increase in my healthcare costs, due to Obamacares requirements that the insurance company is passing on to the consumer.  And that is with the majority of our costs paid for by the company....with the exceptions noted.

Thanks Obama.  I needed 'universal healthcare'  :flipthebird:


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19010899 - 10/21/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

See Im hearing this all over the place. A 27 year old co worker of mine was paying 247 a month now she pays 350. That is crazy. and her decutable went up from 500 to 800. I could of swore I herd Obama say private insurence would not go up. Sounding more and more like a big scam on the American poeple. But I do relize that to fill up that yhat is really expensive and that condo in the Caymens really high priced. WTF.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Eddeee]
    #19011976 - 10/22/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think its about a Condo in the Caymans as much as The government being in Debt.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Withinity]
    #19012440 - 10/22/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it is the ridicules price of things in our health care systems I was referring to.  The price for medicine and supplies in mmidical field is very out of proportion. I work in a medical feild . I  work in Veterinary Medicine We use the same drugs and the same supplies and really the mark up in the human field is criminal, Compared to Veterinary medicine. Dr's get paid to much. Those people heading up the insurance company live very  elaborate life styles. here is what im talking about. My uncle got a splenectomy(for those that do not know what that is it is the removal of the spleen) It cost 30,000 dollars  when it was all said and done. Ok we do a splenectomy where I work on a dog it cost about 1200 dollars out the door. We use the same drugs and the same equipment.  So that translate to me to big money being made for a few indivuals.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Eddeee]
    #19012451 - 10/22/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My uncle got a splenectomy(for those that do not know what that is it is the removal of the spleen) It cost 30,000 dollars  when it was all said and done. Ok we do a splenectomy where I work on a dog it cost about 1200 dollars out the door. We use the same drugs and the same equipment.  So that translate to me to big money being made for a few indivuals.




A vet doesn't have to pay $500,000 a year for liability insurance to protect him from the shysters.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19012456 - 10/22/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I used to live in the US and could never figure out how an aspirin cost $20 in a hospital. My father died of cancer over there, he had kick ass insurance as he worked for Monsanto, but the break down of the bills convinced my mother to move the family back to the UK after he died. She said she didn't ever want to deal with that healthcare system again.

This was in the early 90's, it's been going on a long time. I imagine prices will fluctuate for a while until pricing starts to become more competitive, there must be a lot of uncertainty in the market and no doubt insurance companies will be reflecting this in their prices.

I'd rather pay a bit more and be safe in the knowledge that my policy won't get terminated when I get sick. The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Eddeee]
    #19012457 - 10/22/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Obamacare was set up purely by the insurance company's they just got every American in America to buy there insurance. All that does is profit them and the politicians. And what is Obamacare, seriously. They gave us the European model where if you are old you die in the Death Panels.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19012459 - 10/22/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Obamacare was set up purely by the insurance company's they just got every American in America to buy there insurance. All that does is profit the them and the politicians. And what is Obamacare, seriously. They gave us the European model where if you are old you die in the Death Panels.





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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19012462 - 10/22/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I used to live in the US and could never figure out how an aspirin cost $20 in a hospital. My father died of cancer over there, he had kick ass insurance as he worked for Monsanto, but the break down of the bills convinced my mother to move the family back to the UK after he died. She said she didn't ever want to deal with that healthcare system again.

This was in the early 90's, it's been going on a long time. I imagine prices will fluctuate for a while until pricing starts to become more competitive, there must be a lot of uncertainty in the market and no doubt insurance companies will be reflecting this in their prices.

I'd rather pay a bit more and be safe in the knowledge that my policy won't get terminated when I get sick. The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:



LMAO  yup it is the Tea Party's fault, ohh and more than likely George Bush's fault also right?  :facepalm:


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19012476 - 10/22/13 08:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look, Bill Gates even states that Death Panels and End of Care is a trade they are willing to take for society b/c of very very high medical costs (then he smiles). But how old is that? Look at the European Model.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Kiya_Star427] * 2
    #19012481 - 10/22/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Of course he's willing to accept it.

It will never apply to him.

You say some amazingly dumb things.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux] * 1
    #19012490 - 10/22/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:




You are completely ignorant of the healthcare system here.  A health insuarnce couldn't terminate becaus you got sick--they are still liable for the bills under that illness.  That's like saying you have a car wreck and the car insuance company cancels your insurance and doesn't pay.  What a utter bunch of nonsense.

The Tea Party didn't influence the legislation at all.  They didn't even come into existence until AFTER the bill was jammed down their throats of the majority of americans who DID NOT support it.  The legislation was a result of collusion between Democrats, unions, and the insurance companies. 

It is Obama's legislation, he is responisble for it, his people wrote it, and his people are implementing it.  So put blame where it belongs--on this fucking fraud who doesn't know shit about economics who forced this turd that THE MAJORITY of Americans are against down their throats.


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    #19012499 - 10/22/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Obamacare is for the insurance company's and pharmaceutical company's. Also the funny thing about Obamacare is that it was actually written up by the Republican's, if it didn't pass under Obama it would have passed under Romney b/c he and the insurance company's are the authors of that Healthcare legislation, you see it doesn't matter who gets into office, the left or right b/c they are 2 wings of the same bird, taking us into the New World Order prison system with the NDAA and drones surveiling the citizens of the US.


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    #19012513 - 10/22/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Startfires you know that the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is one the main backers of the Healthcare.

Listen to why he is so pro vaccines, and so pro-man made global warming which is a hoax, those 2 things are interchangeable with one an other b/c they are both key words for population control, too much Co2 too means too many humans.


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    #19012541 - 10/22/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

These guys openly talk about ridding human beings, and population control in front of your faces, and they are setting up a police state, and the Private Federal Reserve is robbing us blind, and they are passing legislation like the Patriot Acts and the NDAA and with the legalization of militarized drones to surveil the American people.

While they are trying to start WW III, they are trying to disarm the public any way possible. Do you see the dilemma here?

People need to just wake up and understand the New World Order is here, and they need to open there eyes and wake the fuck up!

Here watch this documentary Please, check it out!


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Kiya_Star427] * 1
    #19012602 - 10/22/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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These guys openly talk about ridding human beings, and population control in front of your faces, and they are setting up a police state, and the Private Federal Reserve is robbing us blind, and they are passing legislation like the Patriot Acts and the NDAA and with the legalization of militarized drones to surveil the American people.

While they are trying to start WW III, they are trying to disarm the public any way possible. Do you see the dilemma here?

People need to just wake up and understand the New World Order is here, and they need to open there eyes and wake the fuck up!

Here watch this documentary Please, check it out!





Stop posting/watching YouTube videos,its never going to validate your points


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: skeet157]
    #19012608 - 10/22/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stop posting/watching YouTube videos,its never going to validate your points




A YouTube video told him it does.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19012638 - 10/22/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My uncle got a splenectomy(for those that do not know what that is it is the removal of the spleen) It cost 30,000 dollars  when it was all said and done. Ok we do a splenectomy where I work on a dog it cost about 1200 dollars out the door. We use the same drugs and the same equipment.  So that translate to me to big money being made for a few indivuals.




A vet doesn't have to pay $500,000 a year for liability insurance to protect him from the shysters.




In Vet med if the vet fuck your critter up, there is, in most cases a cap on the amount of money you can sue for. In most states the animal is consider personal property and they cap the reward at 5000 dollars. In some special cercumstances if it can be proved the animal is worth monies exseeding the cap(race horses, exspensive breeds )then the reward can be substanualy higher.
That is my point its all about the $$$$$ not about caring for you.
What they need to do is make it so the shysters can't sue or cap the reward to 50,000.  Give Dr's Imunity or something. They do the sam for DA Distric Atornies. And trust me they can fuck you whole life up even when all is said and done and your compleaty exonerated with out a reasoble doubt there is nothing you can do about it. They are Immune from any kind of litigationl. I have personel experance on that one. but I degress It is posible to pass such laws.Imunity from letigation for dr. But wait that is going to piss all the Atornies off. There are Atornies that is all they specalize in. And if they did that some of those Atornies my have to look for other work. We have to keep the cycle going. Its all part of the big money at YOUR expence. Another issue I have with the whole health care system is the way Med schools operate. That is another big Money
buesnss. Pharmecy C0. suport a major part of medical schools plus the cost to go through the schools are in the 100,000 s of dollars
The Average person can't go to Med school becasue of the cost. so you have to get student loans. Then your going to Owe Big money. A lot of people that go to Med school are going because of the income it will generate  when they become a dr and not the fact that they truley want to help people. So the Big money game continues.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19012720 - 10/22/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I used to live in the US and could never figure out how an aspirin cost $20 in a hospital. My father died of cancer over there, he had kick ass insurance as he worked for Monsanto, but the break down of the bills convinced my mother to move the family back to the UK after he died. She said she didn't ever want to deal with that healthcare system again.

This was in the early 90's, it's been going on a long time. I imagine prices will fluctuate for a while until pricing starts to become more competitive, there must be a lot of uncertainty in the market and no doubt insurance companies will be reflecting this in their prices.

I'd rather pay a bit more and be safe in the knowledge that my policy won't get terminated when I get sick. The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:




"Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal."

Obama never suggest that option, what evidence do you have to support this claim?


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Eddeee]
    #19012731 - 10/22/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not asking you to believe the video, just watch it, and research it's claims, you might be shocked at what you find, like how Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset that went by the name of Tim Osman, amazing facts and information, the government doesn't want you to know about. Like how they run the opium trade now that they run Afghanistan, aka big pharma land where 90% of the opium aka black tar heroin is made. Big Pharma now runs that country


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19012734 - 10/22/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Obamacare is for the insurance company's and pharmaceutical company's. Also the funny thing about Obamacare is that it was actually written up by the Republican's, if it didn't pass under Obama it would have passed under Romney b/c he and the insurance company's are the authors of that Healthcare legislation, you see it doesn't matter who gets into office, the left or right b/c they are 2 wings of the same bird, taking us into the New World Order prison system with the NDAA and drones surveiling the citizens of the US.




"Obamacare is that it was actually written up by the Republicans"

It was written by corporate health care lobbyists that support both Republicans and Democrats.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: qman]
    #19012748 - 10/22/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19012759 - 10/22/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's right and if you want to take it back to its history look up how Reagan was the original corporate for the Single Payer Mandated healthcare system, which proves that the left and right wings of this hi-jacked government are really run and operated by the New World Order Central Banking Elites.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19012772 - 10/22/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im trying to figure out if Obama Care is the reason out of every $400 check I get
only $300? And thats nothing, taxes these days are ridiculous, people I know who make over 50k a year who are taxed 1/3 of their pay. They get a lot of it back but STILL jesus christ!

And yes I claim myself as a dependent and mark not to withhold taxes. Doesnt help. Used to be, out of $45 I made if I didnt claim myself right Id get $36, and if I DID claim myself right Id get $41. Times sure have changed


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    #19012775 - 10/22/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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wow the delusional kids are out and about today




So who wrote Obama Care?  The guy who spends most of his days on vacation playing golf and basketball?  :smilingpuppy:


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    #19012780 - 10/22/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Obamacare is for the insurance company's and pharmaceutical company's. Also the funny thing about Obamacare is that it was actually written up by the Republican's, if it didn't pass under Obama it would have passed under Romney b/c he and the insurance company's are the authors of that Healthcare legislation, you see it doesn't matter who gets into office, the left or right b/c they are 2 wings of the same bird, taking us into the New World Order prison system with the NDAA and drones surveiling the citizens of the US.




"Obamacare is that it was actually written up by the Republicans"

It was written by corporate health care lobbyists that support both Republicans and Democrats.




Thanks for the clarity. All members of Congress to me at this point are joining together and helping to destroy our future in one way shape or form or another


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    #19012783 - 10/22/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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wow the delusional kids are out and about today




So who wrote Obama Care?  The guy who spends most of his days on vacation playing golf and basketball?  :smilingpuppy:




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    #19012788 - 10/22/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

odd i could have sworn it was written by a Democrat named Max Baucus, you know the same guy who said it was a train wreck.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: Eddeee]
    #19013012 - 10/22/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it is the ridicules price of things in our health care systems I was referring to.  The price for medicine and supplies in mmidical field is very out of proportion. I work in a medical feild . I  work in Veterinary Medicine We use the same drugs and the same supplies and really the mark up in the human field is criminal, Compared to Veterinary medicine. Dr's get paid to much. Those people heading up the insurance company live very  elaborate life styles. here is what im talking about. My uncle got a splenectomy(for those that do not know what that is it is the removal of the spleen) It cost 30,000 dollars  when it was all said and done. Ok we do a splenectomy where I work on a dog it cost about 1200 dollars out the door. We use the same drugs and the same equipment.  So that translate to me to big money being made for a few indivuals.




It's big business for sure and they have a nice corner on the market.  That's why I do a lot of research before they get a chance to operate on my wallet.  If it was up to them I'd be getting preventative tests galore at my age (60+) but I haven't used a doctor in over five years (and that was for poison oak and a minimal fee)  and feel all the better for it and my wallet is fat.


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Offlineegodeathflux
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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19013187 - 10/22/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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egodeathflux said:
The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:




You are completely ignorant of the healthcare system here.  A health insuarnce couldn't terminate becaus you got sick--they are still liable for the bills under that illness.  That's like saying you have a car wreck and the car insuance company cancels your insurance and doesn't pay.  What a utter bunch of nonsense.

The Tea Party didn't influence the legislation at all.  They didn't even come into existence until AFTER the bill was jammed down their throats of the majority of americans who DID NOT support it.  The legislation was a result of collusion between Democrats, unions, and the insurance companies. 






I am not completely ignorant of the healthcare system there at all. I have lived in the US on and off for about 8 years throughout my life.

There are 1,000's of cases of insurance companies terminating a policy or finding loopholes to avoid paying out. You sound like the the one ignorant of the facts.

You really think the Tea Party/extreme Right has had NO influence on the way the Republicans have been behaving the past few years? :facepalm: You live in dreamland if you really believe that.

The majority of Americans actually wanted a more complete overhaul of healthcare, which the Republicans repeatedly blocked. For God sake they almost brought the world economy crashing down due to their total lack of willingness to compromise or pass a bill that would actually be effective and help the American people.

:facepalm::picard::facepalm::picard::facepalm:


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19013200 - 10/22/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am not completely ignorant of the healthcare system there at all. I have lived in the US on and off for about 8 years throughout my life.

There are 1,000's of cases of insurance companies terminating a policy or finding loopholes to avoid paying out. You sound like the the one ignorant of the facts.

You really think the Tea Party/extreme Right has had NO influence on the way the Republicans have been behaving the past few years? :facepalm: You live in dreamland if you really believe that.

The majority of Americans actually wanted a more complete overhaul of healthcare, which the Republicans repeatedly blocked. For God sake they almost brought the world economy crashing down due to their total lack of willingness to compromise or pass a bill that would actually be effective and help the American people.

:facepalm::picard::facepalm::picard::facepalm:





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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux] * 1
    #19013242 - 10/22/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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egodeathflux said:
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starfire_xes said:
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egodeathflux said:
The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:




You are completely ignorant of the healthcare system here.  A health insuarnce couldn't terminate becaus you got sick--they are still liable for the bills under that illness.  That's like saying you have a car wreck and the car insuance company cancels your insurance and doesn't pay.  What a utter bunch of nonsense.

The Tea Party didn't influence the legislation at all.  They didn't even come into existence until AFTER the bill was jammed down their throats of the majority of americans who DID NOT support it.  The legislation was a result of collusion between Democrats, unions, and the insurance companies. 






I am not completely ignorant of the healthcare system there at all. I have lived in the US on and off for about 8 years throughout my life.

There are 1,000's of cases of insurance companies terminating a policy or finding loopholes to avoid paying out. You sound like the the one ignorant of the facts.

You really think the Tea Party/extreme Right has had NO influence on the way the Republicans have been behaving the past few years? :facepalm: You live in dreamland if you really believe that.

The majority of Americans actually wanted a more complete overhaul of healthcare, which the Republicans repeatedly blocked. For God sake they almost brought the world economy crashing down due to their total lack of willingness to compromise or pass a bill that would actually be effective and help the American people.

:facepalm::picard::facepalm::picard::facepalm:




"For God sake, they almost brought the world economy crashing down.."

Have you ever been accused on being highly gullible? :facepalm:


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: egodeathflux]
    #19014631 - 10/22/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I used to live in the US and could never figure out how an aspirin cost $20 in a hospital. My father died of cancer over there, he had kick ass insurance as he worked for Monsanto, but the break down of the bills convinced my mother to move the family back to the UK after he died. She said she didn't ever want to deal with that healthcare system again.

This was in the early 90's, it's been going on a long time. I imagine prices will fluctuate for a while until pricing starts to become more competitive, there must be a lot of uncertainty in the market and no doubt insurance companies will be reflecting this in their prices.

I'd rather pay a bit more and be safe in the knowledge that my policy won't get terminated when I get sick. The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:



My policy didn't get terminated when I got cancer.  They couldn't do that.  It got terminated, three times, because of government mandates and Obamacare.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: qman] * 1
    #19014652 - 10/22/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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qman said:
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egodeathflux said:
I used to live in the US and could never figure out how an aspirin cost $20 in a hospital. My father died of cancer over there, he had kick ass insurance as he worked for Monsanto, but the break down of the bills convinced my mother to move the family back to the UK after he died. She said she didn't ever want to deal with that healthcare system again.

This was in the early 90's, it's been going on a long time. I imagine prices will fluctuate for a while until pricing starts to become more competitive, there must be a lot of uncertainty in the market and no doubt insurance companies will be reflecting this in their prices.

I'd rather pay a bit more and be safe in the knowledge that my policy won't get terminated when I get sick. The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:




"Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal."

Obama never suggest that option, what evidence do you have to support this claim?




I believe that is his Kolektiffist goal but he knew there was no fucking chance it would pass.  So they deliberately wrote a law that would totally fuck over almost everybody and make them scream for an even more socialist model.  Just like he engineered the "shutdown".


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19014663 - 10/22/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
We had our enrollment today for the new healthcare, so......

1) My premiums doubled
2) My deductible went up times 2.5
3) My total out of pocket went up times 2
4) Co-pays and prescription prices went up 2 to 3 times.

So I only saw about, oh, 130% increase in my healthcare costs, due to Obamacares requirements that the insurance company is passing on to the consumer.  And that is with the majority of our costs paid for by the company....with the exceptions noted.

Thanks Obama.  I needed 'universal healthcare'  :flipthebird:




I love these heartwarming stories about all the wonderful things liberalism has brought us.


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Re: What Obamacare Has Done For Me....... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19017935 - 10/23/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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qman said:
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egodeathflux said:
I used to live in the US and could never figure out how an aspirin cost $20 in a hospital. My father died of cancer over there, he had kick ass insurance as he worked for Monsanto, but the break down of the bills convinced my mother to move the family back to the UK after he died. She said she didn't ever want to deal with that healthcare system again.

This was in the early 90's, it's been going on a long time. I imagine prices will fluctuate for a while until pricing starts to become more competitive, there must be a lot of uncertainty in the market and no doubt insurance companies will be reflecting this in their prices.

I'd rather pay a bit more and be safe in the knowledge that my policy won't get terminated when I get sick. The Tea Party basically fucked over the legislation and turned it into a giant cluster fuck, Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal.

:popcorn:




"Obama should have stuck to his guns and gone for the full public option/single payer deal."

Obama never suggest that option, what evidence do you have to support this claim?




I believe that is his Kolektiffist goal but he knew there was no fucking chance it would pass.  So they deliberately wrote a law that would totally fuck over almost everybody and make them scream for an even more socialist model.  Just like he engineered the "shutdown".




"make them scream for an even more socialist model."

Not sure if this is really the case, for profit health care is here to stay for some time is my guess.


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