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Is growing weed hard?
#19010736 - 10/21/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I was thinking about growing my own weed but i want to know how hard it is to see if its a good idea
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
#19010767 - 10/21/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Harder than growing shrooms, but growing shrooms is ridiculously easy, I'd say growing weed was easy but a little bit harder than growing mushrooms.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
#19010775 - 10/21/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Was tough for me at first because I kept making it complicated when it's really simple, and one of the few things I consider myself extremely good at. Can post some pics of my past grows if requested. Had my medical card for about 3 years until I became a felon. 2 more years until I can get it back
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
#19010777 - 10/21/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not hard but it usually takes a few tries to get it just right for a lot of people. Just follow good instructions, be on the look out for anything that looks wrong with the plant, have good equipment etc. One important thing though is patience, a lot of people who first grow rush the grow and barely cure the buds. How good the nugs will come out in smell and looks can depend a lot on if you're patient or not.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: V1rusH0st]
#19010780 - 10/21/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plant seed, add light & water, ??????? , profit!
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: V1rusH0st]
#19010782 - 10/21/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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how did you become a felon
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: SoreSpore]
#19010789 - 10/21/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its like anything else, shit effort equals shit results. I know people that spent thousands on grows and I know a guy who tosses bags of seeds randomly in his yard. The good grows make good smoke. The ones that come up in the yard with no care at all are about the same as Mexican ditch weed. Its a plant it will grow with water and light. So it can be easy or you can make it hard.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
#19010793 - 10/21/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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not particularly. it is what you make it.
do your research and invest in a good setup. be diligent about your care regimens and treat them well.

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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
#19010794 - 10/21/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Growing outside can be ridiculously easy. But growing quality weed indoors can be alittle harder. Check out the Shroomery's sister site, the Growery, if you want to learn how to grow. good luck
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
#19010802 - 10/21/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Advice that was given to me is to find one set of proven instructions and stick with that so things don't get confusing.
Also get the right equipment and spend the extra dollar on quality for the important things.
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yes, definitely find a method that works and stick with it. once you get the hang of things and better understanding of the entire process, you can start to tweak things a little here and there, but never drastically, always baby steps in case your ladies have adverse reactions to anything new you introduce them to. but it's absolutely correct that keeping this consistent is the best way to ensure a successful grow.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
#19010833 - 10/21/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chowder963 said: Harder than growing shrooms, but growing shrooms is ridiculously easy, I'd say growing weed was easy but a little bit harder than growing mushrooms.
I think growing both are easy, but shrooms are a higher difficult level. All you need to do is give the right amount of food, water, light, and air . . . and your all good.
With mushrooms you have to do all those same things and then worry about contam on top of that
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Idk I guess everyone's different, but imo shrooms are at least a little bit easier to grow.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
#19010865 - 10/21/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chowder963 said: Idk I guess everyone's different, but imo shrooms are at least a little bit easier to grow.
In what way.
And if you grow outdoors it is even easier, just water and feed that bitch. Done
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Growing weed outdoors isn't what he's talking about, thats not growing weed in the sense that a professional grower would think, that's just letting a pot plant grow.
I don't have anything to back up my opinion its just my opinion, because I've seen lots of weed grows go wrong, along with it costing more to grow indoors, and I grew shrooms when I was in high school and did it perfect my first time with info only from google and YouTube.
Which I'm sure is possible with weed but it seems to me shrooms are easier than indoor weed.
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Growing weed is way easier than growing mushrooms. I've known tons of people who grew weed and guess what? They succeeded every time. Do you know how many people try to grow mushrooms but fail? It's not that it is necessarily difficult, the information available is so misleading and tends to clutter the process with unnecessary precautions or worries. Growing a plant is by and large easier than cultivating a fungus.
on a side note: If you want top quality buds, cure the weed for 30+ days.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: SoreSpore]
#19010917 - 10/21/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you really not ever raised a plant before? =\
Its pretty much the same.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
#19010976 - 10/21/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Growing weed outdoors is about as easy as can be. Compost, fertilizer, sunlight, water, and time is all you need.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: kneesocks]
#19010989 - 10/21/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk, I think if you were growing a mass amount of mushrooms, it would be easier than growing a mass amount of weed.
It would also be cheaper, and easier to obtain the materials. Sorry if im wrong, I dont know nearly as much about growing weed as I do mushrooms, but I just cant see it getting much easier than growing mushrooms.
Once again I want to stress im not talking about outdoor weed just incase you guys think that.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
#19011532 - 10/22/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk, I think if you were growing a mass amount of mushrooms, it would be easier than growing a mass amount of weed.
It would also be cheaper, and easier to obtain the materials
That I agree with, but he said he was growing it for personal use. SO having one light indoors is pretty easy to manage and pretty inexpensive when compared to the cost of buying the same amount of weed you could grow with one light
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Yeah, if I knew more about growing weed id be able to say for sure, but yeah ill take your word for it because you seem to know better than me. Mushroom growing is just so simple and its hard to fail with 8+ jars, ive seen alooot of people unsuccessfully grow plants in highschool though, thats basically where im getting this random pointless knowledge lol, so its not reliable.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
#19011597 - 10/22/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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growing weed is so easy all the high school drop outs do it
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Konyap]
#19011601 - 10/22/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: growing weed is so easy all the high school drop outs do it
That's kinda funny
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
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Weed*: a several month long investment involving electricity, various meters, nutrients, etc. must be constantly maintained
Mushrooms*: mix ingredients, poke holes in jar lids, fill jars, put on lid, wrap loosely in foil, pressure cook, take off foil inject with spores, let sit for a while, empty into a clean fruiting chamber and fan it off once in a while done
Neither is particularly hard, but if you can follow simple instructions mushrooms are really easy
*does not include outdoor grown
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yeah, shrooms are way harder to not fuck up and there's almost no reason to grow em after highschool
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NotTheDevil said: Weed*: a several month long investment involving electricity, various meters, nutrients, etc. must be constantly maintained
Mushrooms*: mix ingredients, poke holes in jar lids, fill jars, put on lid, wrap loosely in foil, pressure cook, take off foil inject with spores, let sit for a while, empty into a clean fruiting chamber and fan it off once in a while done
Neither is particularly hard, but if you can follow simple instructions mushrooms are really easy
*does not include outdoor grown
This is what I've been trying to say I'm just not good with words right now. This is how I see it.
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What's this strain?
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: s240779]
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Konyap]
#19011707 - 10/22/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Weed*: a several month long investment involving electricity, various meters, nutrients, etc. must be constantly maintained
No it does not need to be constantly maintained. Water it every couple days and maybe an occasional pruning. And you can do it with out any meters whatsoever. A timer would help, which is cheap, but you could still do it with out it.
And it does take electricity, but if you factor into account that you do no have to buy weed anymore you will be saving a ton of money. Plants are not nearly as susceptible to contams as mushrooms.
And you can grow dank but with just a veg and flower nutrients.
Mushrooms need nutrients too, grain, coco fiber, verm, gypsum, manure , etc . . .
But all in all, I feel like if you can do one really successfully, than you could do the other as well
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Pretty easy once you get everything dialed in. Depending on the size of your op, very time consuming. I run a 6k room and I pretty much have no life.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Othyem]
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: MycoPirate]
#19012223 - 10/22/13 05:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's a lot more work growing weed, you have to design a grow area, watch out for nutrient deficiencies and abundances, sometimes you get pests like mites and have to get rid of them. Pull the males and hermies before they pollinate.
Also it depend on what method of growing your going to do, it makes it a little trickier when your trying to do high/low stress training. Or if your doing a sea of green you gotta make sure your mother plants are healthy as well as the clones.
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Growing weed itself isn't too hard. Growing good weed, on the other hand . . .
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Patlal]
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: mpd]
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Anybody can grow weed that looks nice.
The hard part is growing weed that people actually enjoy smoking.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Can-i-bus]
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Start with good seeds, if you don't, you will be dissapointed. The main factor determining potency is genetics. I grew for years indoors with 5 gallon buckets of dirt, 8 4 foot florescent tubes in a mix of cool/warm white, miracle grow, and cut the lights back to 12/12 light to dark cycle when 2 to 3 feet tall. 3 females kept me in bud.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Rockhound]
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No, but controlling everything is! especially when you only have limited options. Bugs are a straight bitch and can destroy a crop in days.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Growing weed itself isn't too hard. Growing good weed, on the other hand . . .
I agree.
You dont just go buy veg and flower nutes, get some water and soil, and a light and call it a day.
It takes serious planning, research and dedication to grow some top shelf buds. People don't realize that and they rationalize in their head that their mid grade harvest is as good as it gets.
Also, once you actually get the hang of what your doing. Genetics can limit you greatly, you need good genetics to take that next step farther towards some serious top shelf
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
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spixce said: how did you become a felon
I started selling oxycontin, then using oxycontin while continuing to sell it to support my habit, then when those became scarce and I was opiate dependent I moved onto heroin, then started selling heroin also to support my habit. Then I got arrested in a large heroin deal. Measure 57, distribution of heroin over 50g + some other charges they threw at me.
A girl died the day before from some heroin she got from a supplier of mine and they did a huge sting and took down 8 of us in 1 day. The heroin she had passed hands through the other 7 and they all ended up in federal court on "Distribution resulting in death" charges. 20 years for them if no previous felonies, life if they have previous felonies. I got lucky you could say.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Growing weed itself isn't too hard. Growing good weed, on the other hand . . .
I agree.
You dont just go buy veg and flower nutes, get some water and soil, and a light and call it a day.
Actually, that is exactly what you do.
Growing weed isn't hard, growing good weed isn't hard, either. You just need to learn how to properly fertilize and start off with some good genetics.
@ op - growing weed is easy like growing mushrooms, but things can still go wrong. Knowing how to control pests, treat deficiencies and maintain optimum conditions (air intake, outake, temperature, humidity, etc) is what will define you as a good grower.
However, anybody can buy a clone of a good mother and feed it correctly and grow some real dank bud, it's very simple.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: ganjfather]
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i find plants much easier to grow than mushrooms but I've been a gardener my whole life, so it's pretty intuitive for me. I grew my first marijuana plants outdoors this year and I must say it couldn't have been easier.
Also I love my cacti.
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Is growing cacti harder or easier than growing weed?
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IMO growing cacti is much easier. You can forget to water them for months and they will be fine.
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Growing cacti is very easy if you are in a good climate for growing them. They do take MUCH more time per dose than ganja does though.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Growing weed itself isn't too hard. Growing good weed, on the other hand . . .
I agree.
You dont just go buy veg and flower nutes, get some water and soil, and a light and call it a day.
Actually, that is exactly what you do.
Nah, its not what you do( it is what you buy but there is much much much more detail that goes into it). If that is your attitude, then your grow op will most likely be subpar at best.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: psi]
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When taking into account the most advanced types of grows, there are far more aspects to properly maintaining a marijuana grow than there are to a shroom grow. E.g., weed you gotta control odor, dissolved solids ppm/nutrient levels, pH, light distance, light cycles, color temp depending on veg or flower cycle, etc. all while inspecting for disease and pests.
Shrooms you pretty much rotate your monotubs and check for contams. If you're growing in a tent maybe rotate the trays around and check for contams.
Shrooms have the added complexity of contamination problems but plants can get mites and other things so that equals out. They both require careful genetic manipulation for best results so that's a wash. Shrooms go straight from the tub to the dehydrator for a few hours and done while pot needs to dry, then cure so pot's more difficult there. even if you're working with agar for shrooms and doing isolates, plants have genetic issues of their own to address too.
Growing weed is more difficult than growing cubes. Can't speak to other varieties of shrooms.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: psi]
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nicechrisman said: Growing cacti is very easy if you are in a good climate for growing them.
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psi said: IMO growing cacti is much easier.
psi, you don't have any trouble growing them in the 905? I suppose you need a warm place for them in the winter?
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everything is easy to grow, if your happy with a crappy expensive crop, thats time, and power consuming a large area.
growing a serious , reliable , tangible, quality crop, is difficult, and never easy.
if one is growin, with "ease", as a primary concern, id suggest a serious job, and purchasing what you need instead.
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Unless you've ran a REAL grow you can't input anything.
If you lived in the most prime of locations in Cali (etc..) then you could simply plant and have awesome bud w/ proper genetics.
Most have to grow indoors which means controlling the climate and bio-dome that you create.. Bugs, Molds, Fungi, Disease, Deficiency, pH problems, and it goes on and on.
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psi, you don't have any trouble growing them in the 905? I suppose you need a warm place for them in the winter?
With trichocereus I do for sure, but peyote's lighting requirements are much lower so I can get by with cheap T8 shop lights in a sunny window. The problem with the trichocereus is that I don't have any indoor space that's cool but not too cold to get a good dormancy period, and keeping them actively growing over the winter requires more lighting resources than I'm currently able to devote to them. It's mostly an aesthetic problem, they are growing in mass over the years but most of them are ugly because of the uneven growth.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: psi]
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Yeah I was growing them up near the Canadian border for a few years and had the same problems. It's so gratifying to be here in Southern California, where they just LOVE life. Very similar to some of their native habitats in coastal Peru.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Gorlax]
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Gorlax said: Unless you've ran a REAL grow you can't input anything.
If you lived in the most prime of locations in Cali (etc..) then you could simply plant and have awesome bud w/ proper genetics.
or, maybe morroco. wich is about as good as cali, having been born in cali, and lived in morroco, and ,have grown both places.
point i make is simple, and it comes from indoor/ outdoor , greens , fungi, and cacti experience. good grows require, skill , treasure and effort.
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nicechrisman said: Yeah I was growing them up near the Canadian border for a few years and had the same problems. It's so gratifying to be here in Southern California, where they just LOVE life. Very similar to some of their native habitats in coastal Peru.
Yeah growing them outside year round would be awesome. A heated greenhouse is the closest I could probably manage, but it's not within my means at this time.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Chowder963]
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Chowder963 said: Growing weed outdoors isn't what he's talking about, thats not growing weed in the sense that a professional grower would think, that's just letting a pot plant grow.
I don't have anything to back up my opinion its just my opinion
You aware how they grow weed in Cali/Colorado/Wash/Ore etc..? Watch a few shows like Weed Country, then come back and tell me professional growers don't do it outside.
The biggest problems with weed are excess heat and smell, these aren't really issues with mushrooms (depending where you live).
The equipment for a weed grow also costs a lot more to set up, though if you grow mushrooms you may already have a lot of the grow equipment you need. (perlite, verm, manure, veg lights etc).
The better the genetics, the better the product, regardless of how well you do the first few times.
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Depends on quality and quantity of your grow op. No it isnt hard to grow in very small amounts. I just threw a bunch of seeds on CXS property this summer and they are almost ready for harvest, literally never attended to them lol.
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peeps can do amazing things indoors and outdoors. thats not really in question.
genetics are a big deal indeed. at the end of the grow though, its about genetics, skill, and luck of conditions.
im always of the belief, that no good grow is easy.
its been said 10% of the growers, make 90% of the product. theres a reason for that.
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Idk mushrooms seem easier to me still but people are different I guess. Also out of the 4 things you listed needed to grow shrooms, you only needed vermiculite off of that list.
I'd say taking into consideration the price/duration/ease of access to items needed, mushrooms were easier.
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ThatKidWithTheFace said: Growing weed itself isn't too hard. Growing good weed, on the other hand . . .
I agree.
You dont just go buy veg and flower nutes, get some water and soil, and a light and call it a day.
Actually, that is exactly what you do.
Nah, its not what you do( it is what you buy but there is much much much more detail that goes into it). If that is your attitude, then your grow op will most likely be subpar at best.
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Everything I do with plants seems like effortless ease personally. I guess it's because I love it so much.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: ganjfather]
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several different concepts...............
is it a fast easy personal grow for pure sport? is it a semi serious for 1-4 peeps usage? or is it a real grow op in mind?
ill suggest, greens, boomers, and cacti, indoors or out, personal is sorta easy, real grow ops, are mostly for the most serious.
once again, 10% growers, 90% of the production. ya have to ask yourself , where ya fall on that margin, and ,what the effort/ yield ratio, is for you.
all said, never hurts to read alot, forget most of it, and , start throwing treasure and effort at experiments......... you know, the time honored grow campaign.
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typical optout tactic of repeating everything you wrote in the last 6 posts in the same thread
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: SoreSpore]
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You dont just go buy veg and flower nutes, get some water and soil, and a light and call it a day.
Well I must just have a natural greenthumb because this is exactly what I do, of course checking for pests,mold which takes no effort really except to look.
I do not worry about temp, just an intake and an outtake.
My weed is highly sought after . . .
I live in a very high output weed area and literally all of my friends grow weed and grow it well. I have seen quite a few of them try their hands at mushrooms and fail miserably.
The fail rate for mushrooms is a lot higher than weed
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
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It's not AT ALL hard but if you want to do indoor, it requires a bit more effort and LOADS of money. My uncle plops clone in his back yard and they grow themselves. Its damn good too
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Ok, the OP stated he was doing it for personal use, This DOES NOT cost loads of money. You can get one light for a couple hundred bucks, and once that is paid for that is the biggest investment. And it cost me around 90 dollars a month to run a 1000 watt light. Add in a few nutes and some soil and it is still WAY LESS MONEY than an average stoner would pay for weed.
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Also, it is a lot harder to get mushrooms to pin, than for weed to sprout or grow a clone
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
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The uncertainty that you express indicates that you may procrastinate the endeavor. Consider this. 2 months from now you'll say to yourself, "had I started this process 2 months ago, I'd almost be ready to harvest cannabis plants." Do you want to fidn yourself in that position? If not, just start now.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: s240779]
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should i do indoors or outdoors its az winter so it doesn't snow much but some days it can get pretty cold
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
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Sounds like you just answered your own question.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: spixce]
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I don't think you can grow outdoors while there's chance of frost.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Synthe]
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Well you might be able to put a canopy over them at night to protect from frost but what a hassle.
I would be more concerned with the light cycle, wait till spring.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: Synthe]
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You cannot do outdoors right now because the lighting schedule is not right for vegging. You need to start them in the spring for outdoors
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You can't just throw plants outside at any time of year, the days need to be getting longer to veg, as they begin to shorten flowering will be initiated. The additional size you can achieve is probably the biggest advantage to an outdoor grow, check out some of the TREES people in Cali/Jamaica/Morocco manage to get, they are jaw dropping if stressed/trained properly. 
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You don' think veg lights, manure or perlite can be used to grow weed..? May I ask why not? Manure is a great fertiliser, perlite is almost essential for soil aeration (I only buy my perlite at weed supply stores as you can get 100ltr for about £12/$20, a 6ltr bag at the hardware store costs £8-9 here..) and the lights are well...lights. I use the same fluoros from my old Martha set-up to veg my clones/mothers.
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I dunno what all these other suckers have been tellin ya OP but growing weed is next to impossible. You'll have better luck synthesizing you own lsd.
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Trust me, leave it to the pros. Check out what I've been toking on, imported from straight mexico (cannabis capital of the world). This shit is fire

Smells like straight lawn trimmings dawg. Can you say DANK?!?
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Does it have that nice faint ammonia smell that only the best Mexican brick has? Gotta love those seeds and stuff too. Just adds to the potency.
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You know it. The more seed the better. Lots of tasty stems too.
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By far the strongest/best weed I have ever smoked in 20ish years (of smoking, I'm in my 30's) was full of seeds/stems. Jamaican cess, straight of the plane from a yardy associate. I was very dubious when I first tried it about 10 years ago, the guy who imports it was asking top dollar and there was no discount even buying pounds of the stuff.
It is the perfect example of the power of genetics and perfect growing conditions. It has the consistency of Indian charas pretty much, incredibly oily and a dark black colour. I was a very heavy smoker when I first tried it and a couple of what looked like very meager joints had me still feeling baked the next day after about 10 hours sleep.
I would put cess full of seeds and stems up against any hydro/medical stuff any day of the week.
Seeds, stems and a bush weed appearance can be exceedingly deceptive on rare occasions.
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By far the strongest/best weed I have ever smoked in 20ish years (of smoking, I'm in my 30's) was full of seeds/stems. Jamaican cess, straight of the plane from a yardy associate. I was very dubious when I first tried it about 10 years ago, the guy who imports it was asking top dollar and there was no discount even buying pounds of the stuff.
It is the perfect example of the power of genetics and perfect growing conditions. It has the consistency of Indian charas pretty much, incredibly oily and a dark black colour. I was a very heavy smoker when I first tried it and a couple of what looked like very meager joints had me still feeling baked the next day after about 10 hours sleep.
I would put cess full of seeds and stems up against any hydro/medical stuff any day of the week.
Seeds, stems and a bush weed appearance can be exceedingly deceptive on rare occasions.

That doesn't make any sense. Indian Charas is a type of hashish basically. I don't understand how marijuana full of seeds and stems could bear any resemblance to hashish.
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By far the strongest/best weed I have ever smoked in 20ish years (of smoking, I'm in my 30's) was full of seeds/stems. Jamaican cess, straight of the plane from a yardy associate. I was very dubious when I first tried it about 10 years ago, the guy who imports it was asking top dollar and there was no discount even buying pounds of the stuff.
It is the perfect example of the power of genetics and perfect growing conditions. It has the consistency of Indian charas pretty much, incredibly oily and a dark black colour. I was a very heavy smoker when I first tried it and a couple of what looked like very meager joints had me still feeling baked the next day after about 10 hours sleep.
I would put cess full of seeds and stems up against any hydro/medical stuff any day of the week.
Seeds, stems and a bush weed appearance can be exceedingly deceptive on rare occasions.

That doesn't make any sense. Indian Charas is a type of hashish basically. I don't understand how marijuana full of seeds and stems could bear any resemblance to hashish.
Exactly, I didn't understand either. I obviously know what charas is.. It is made differently than most hashish (although hashish from different areas is made in many different ways.) Charas is rolled plant material and does contain pieces of fibrous plant matter, rather than crystals or pure oils, like pollen/pollum or ISO.
Cess is so oily that the pure plant is actually more likely making a joint with hash than weed, it crumbles in a very similar way to charas (which is actually very common in the UK). I imagine cess is what Bob Marley would have been smoking, the high is somewhere between hashish and bud, it is very clean and dreamlike, if you ever get a chance to smoke, pay whatever they are asking and see for yourself, you won't regret it.
It totally makes sense, it is just a one of a kind weed that really defies direct comparison with any other kind of pot I have encountered in the UK, Spain, Morocco, the US, Canada, Mexico or anywhere else I have been.
Anybody else ever come across cess? I'd love to hear what other people think of it.
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How the hell can anyone think that seeds and stems are an indication of bad quality? They're just a natural part of the plant.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: s240779]
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I have heard that THC is used to create the seeds, though I am not sure how much truth there is to that. I can imagine that a plant not producing oil and nutrient rich seeds would spend more energy producing THC/cannabinoids though that is pure speculation on my behalf.
Also going back to my previous post, I have found seeds in charas/temple ball before.
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Strange. I would think that if the genetics were so good they would be being incorporated into today's modern marijuana hybridization. With people like the strain hunters scouring the globe to bring the world's best genetics into the fold, and jamaican marijuana being no big secret, I would think this would have been done decades ago.
I think sometimes people have a more profound experience from things like this based on set and setting. Sitting down and smoking some good weed in Jamaica would definitely be an enhancing experience.
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Growing is pretty hard, especially compared to mushrooms. I mean I guess the 'hardest' part is researching your head off. You're going to cram so much shit in to your brain and read so many debates about techniques it'll make your head spin. But it's all worth it and you feel pretty proud after your first successful go at it.
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By far the strongest/best weed I have ever smoked in 20ish years (of smoking, I'm in my 30's) was full of seeds/stems. Jamaican cess, straight of the plane from a yardy associate. I was very dubious when I first tried it about 10 years ago, the guy who imports it was asking top dollar and there was no discount even buying pounds of the stuff.
It is the perfect example of the power of genetics and perfect growing conditions. It has the consistency of Indian charas pretty much, incredibly oily and a dark black colour. I was a very heavy smoker when I first tried it and a couple of what looked like very meager joints had me still feeling baked the next day after about 10 hours sleep.
I would put cess full of seeds and stems up against any hydro/medical stuff any day of the week.
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Absolutely nothing to do with set or setting. I go to a lot of reggae sessions and know a lot of Jamaicans/West Indians. Trust me, when cess is about they don't smoke anything else. I know a guy who makes one or two trips a year to the islands and brings back a KG or two in his suitcase. The money he makes off that amount keeps him going all year, it is some of the most expensive weed around and exceptionally rare (outside of Kingston, mon).
I don't think it is a matter of the genetics not existing within the cultivation arena, it is the soil, the sunlight, the rain etc. It is a well established land race and basically is the perfect storm of pot. I don't think it could really be reproduced outside of Jamaica or similar islands with a very similar ecosytem/climate etc.
It is an anomaly and I will admit to being as skeptical as you before I tried it. Seriously though, nothing comes close. It is more oily than you can imagine. I am sure there are medical grade buds with a higher THC content, I can only assume it is the resin and other cannabinoids that make it what it is.
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Just did a google image search and it seems as though a lot of people spell it with an "s", so do an image search for "Jamaican sess" and take a peek, the stuff I've had was always the darker side of the colour spectrum, presumably dried and cured for a far longer period.
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This looks fairly close to what I get, doesn't look like much, does it?
(if the image isn't there in this post it's because I have had some weird problem uploading pics the last couple of weeks, they show up on my screen but no one else's for some reason..).
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From what my understanding of cess is/has always been since the 80s, is cess was just word people used for weed. Like calling it dank. And later, since it was a big word in the jamaican culture, cess was used to describe low grade jamaican bud. IME most jamaican bud is shwag compared to what the norm is on the west coast.
Idk what this cess is that you are talking about but I think you are using the wrong word if you are referring to dank weed.
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I dunno, I think today's modern marijuana grower has SO much control over soil, mineral content, lighting, nutrients etc, that I have a hard time buying what you are saying.
That said, if I ever have the opportunity to try said sess, I most certainly will, and I will think of you when I do.
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The Jamaican stuff I tried was really dark as well, I assume it's from the curing process. Around here some people say "sess" to refer to any outdoor weed.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: ganjfather]
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ganjfather said: IME most jamaican bud is shwag compared to what the norm is on the west coast.
I have a buddy who went to Jamacia recently and the bud he got wasn't that good, although this is a tall white dude in Jamacia obvious tourist no connections oncesoever. Should probably just be happy he didn't get scammed more than once Though I have a hard time believing generally that it could compete with west coast bud if you just took a general samples from both and compared qualities.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: ganjfather]
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I somehow doubt Jamaicans are using the wrong word.. If anything the translation or meaning in the US has become lost over time. I can assure that the 60 year old Jamaican DJs I know are not getting confused about what weed is called or if it is strong and the most expensive stuff available.
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nicechrisman said: I dunno, I think today's modern marijuana grower has SO much control over soil, mineral content, lighting, nutrients etc, that I have a hard time buying what you are saying.
Your criticism doesn't make any sense. egodeathflux did not indicate that the stuff he's talking about was anything less than ideal in any of those areas.
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Ok I researched it and I got it. It's confusing because there are 2 different cultures using the same word. Cats on the west coast referring to old school lingo where we used sess or cess to refer to shwag weed. Then jamaican culture that uses cess to refer to their high grade bud. My guess is the jamaicans had the term coined a long time ago and when it made its way over, people over here saw it, thought it was shit because it looks really bad and stole the term to use to refer to bad weed.
And I have smoked cess once. Aafter seeing pictures of it, Im pretty sure. The dude sold me a bag when I real young of the brown, chunky stuff, looking like brick weed. I thought I got ripped off, but when I smoked it, it actually got me pretty stoned. Real different, speedy sort of high. and the nuggets smoked way longer than bud I'm used to. But it tasted like garbage and looked even worse. I wouldn't say it's great, just different and gets the job done but can't be compared to what I pull out of my basement
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: ganjfather] 1
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cess or sess must be a corruption of sensemilla, which is spanish for 'without seeds', so it is just another word for weed in this case. Also, it seems to be that the jamaican tourists get weed that is grown from greenhouse seed co., barneys' farm, and other euro seed banks. I bet up in the hills would be the only place those sativa landraces survive. I could be wrong on that one, though.
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Re: Is growing weed hard? [Re: s240779]
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nicechrisman said: I dunno, I think today's modern marijuana grower has SO much control over soil, mineral content, lighting, nutrients etc, that I have a hard time buying what you are saying.
Your criticism doesn't make any sense. egodeathflux did not indicate that the stuff he's talking about was anything less than ideal in any of those areas.
Not a criticism, an opinion. And to me it does make sense. He indicated that "Jamaican sess" is better than any american ganja. At least that was how I read it. His theory was that this was due to a number of reasons such as weather, soil, etc. My point was that those same conditions can be very closely approximated by modern growing techniques. Perhaps even improved upon.
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Did he compare it to American weed? I thought he was just saying it was some of the best he had tried in the UK.
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CavemanJohnson said: You know it. The more seed the better. Lots of tasty stems too.
By far the strongest/best weed I have ever smoked in 20ish years (of smoking, I'm in my 30's) was full of seeds/stems. Jamaican cess, straight of the plane from a yardy associate. I was very dubious when I first tried it about 10 years ago, the guy who imports it was asking top dollar and there was no discount even buying pounds of the stuff.
It is the perfect example of the power of genetics and perfect growing conditions. It has the consistency of Indian charas pretty much, incredibly oily and a dark black colour. I was a very heavy smoker when I first tried it and a couple of what looked like very meager joints had me still feeling baked the next day after about 10 hours sleep.
I would put cess full of seeds and stems up against any hydro/medical stuff any day of the week.
Seeds, stems and a bush weed appearance can be exceedingly deceptive on rare occasions.

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25 years ago I thought jamaican brickweed was the best. I bet I would ho-hum about it today.
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