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    #19010432 - 10/21/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://rexharrisonshat.com/healthcare/

So lock me.:grin:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/white-house-deems-health-glitches-unacceptable-gop-calls-obamacare-doa-article-1.1491281

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In New York, one of only 16 states that has its own exchange, not one person had succeeded in using the site to enroll in a plan as of Friday.




There is just so much more glory and abject incompetence, systemic failure, outright lying, and inherent fuckitude in the BumBill that it is difficult to catalog it all as a part timer.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19010907 - 10/21/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well don't worry about it.  Everyone on MSNBC/CBS/CNN knows that if Ted Cruz hadn't shut the government down everything would have been alright.  It's all he fault of republicans.  You can't expect the goverment to have only three years to implement a program and for it to go off smoothly if Republicans obstruct everthing the president wants to do just because he is black.

Besides, why do you care?  You make money.  You didn't build your business yourself.  And at some point, you've made enough money, you don't need more.  Besides, you need to pay your fair share.  And you can afford to pay a bit more to help others.  After all, we all need to be in on the 'shared sacrifice'  :smirk:


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19013059 - 10/22/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.


Your health insurance system is screwed. It cost you a shitton of money (i think you still are at the top of the money spending in healthcare) and yet your system is subpar with what we have in lets say in Canada or France.

Ranking of the world health organisation


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19013113 - 10/22/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"hahaha their stupid website is down, nyanyanya!"

Or...

American healthcare is so god damn fucked up, it's about time somebody is doing anything about it.
Brainwashed conservatives notwithstanding, it seems most Americans are pretty happy about it.*

*=I am not American, don't call me a democrat.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #19013182 - 10/22/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.


Your health insurance system is screwed. It cost you a shitton of money (i think you still are at the top of the money spending in healthcare) and yet your system is subpar with what we have in lets say in Canada or France.

Ranking of the world health organisation



Maybe because people will have to pay even more now?


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Turtletotem said:
"hahaha their stupid website is down, nyanyanya!"

Or...

American healthcare is so god damn fucked up, it's about time somebody is doing anything about it.
Brainwashed conservatives notwithstanding, it seems most Americans are pretty happy about it.*

*=I am not American, don't call me a democrat.



Not an American? No wonder you argument is so flawed.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19013205 - 10/22/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.


Your health insurance system is screwed. It cost you a shitton of money (i think you still are at the top of the money spending in healthcare) and yet your system is subpar with what we have in lets say in Canada or France.

Ranking of the world health organisation




"I don't get why people bitch over Obama care."

Obama Care is not universal health care, it's the same thing we already have, but the care will go down, and the costs and penalties go higher.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19013730 - 10/22/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.


Your health insurance system is screwed. It cost you a shitton of money (i think you still are at the top of the money spending in healthcare) and yet your system is subpar with what we have in lets say in Canada or France.

Ranking of the world health organisation





We have the best healthcare system in the world for those who can afford it.

It costs the most

It delivers the lest

The southern red, stupid, fat, states are fucked the worst, but their all republicans states so who give a fuck. Let them all rot in their misery and meet their maker early. It's a good thing their heaven is boundless because the size of those porkers down there would fill most places a hell of a lot faster.

That's why they hate the ACA, just too stupid to get past hating black POTUS.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: sweeper54] * 4
    #19013753 - 10/22/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you mean HALF black potus, and from your posts it is obvious you are drowning in Barry Obama kool-aid. good luck. You just spouted the same hate shit all Libtards do. Oh but that makes you more compassionate right? gtfo with your cry baby blame bush shit. Law of the land.lmaoooooooooooooooooo, since when did Libtards care? Obama already made 19 changes and other shit to the oh so great Ocommiecare. Let us hope that you and your family get the treatment you deserve. just kidding .. death panels are what you will have :laugh2:


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    #19013875 - 10/22/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos] * 1
    #19014123 - 10/22/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.


Your health insurance system is screwed. It cost you a shitton of money (i think you still are at the top of the money spending in healthcare) and yet your system is subpar with what we have in lets say in Canada or France.

Ranking of the world health organisation



Another Canadian who knows nothing about America opining on our health care system that so many of them turn to when they get put on endless waiting lists for procedures that are immediate here


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19014506 - 10/22/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wanted to point out that the american system is the most expensive for the governement to sustain per capita, yet its not even everyone that can have access to it due to the costs.

Plus, you have to pay monthly insurance fees? It doesnt seem wrong for you?


Where does all that money go?


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19014558 - 10/22/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
I wanted to point out that the american system is the most expensive for the governement to sustain per capita, yet its not even everyone that can have access to it due to the costs.




It doesn't cost the government one cent. 
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Plus, you have to pay monthly insurance fees? It doesnt seem wrong for you?




Either I pay for my insurance or I pay for even more people's insurance than I do now.  Are you aware that there are actually a few people who pay taxes?
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Where does all that money go?




Doctors, nurses, hospitals, administrators, pharmaceutical companies.

My insurance is being dropped.  Not just mine but the entire class of self employed individuals and families.  This is the third time this has happened in the last three years.  Mandates for coverage I don't want and government demands that I pay the medical bills for everybody with pre-existing conditions.  The idiot Obama likens that to car insurance.  You have to buy liability insurance to protect the public.  You do not have to buy collision insurance unless the bank owns your car and to suggest that insurance companies must sell you a policy to cover an accident you have already had is the height of nonsense


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19014685 - 10/22/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
I wanted to point out that the american system is the most expensive for the governement to sustain per capita, yet its not even everyone that can have access to it due to the costs.




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zappaisgod said:It doesn't cost the government one cent.




Do you really think that your insurance pays for all the system? :ooo:

Government still play a large role in the healthcare of your country National health expenditures (2011) off Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services website

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The federal government financed 28 percent of total health spending in 2011, a substantial increase from its share of 23 percent in 2007. Meanwhile, the shares of the total health care bill financed by households (28 percent), businesses (21 percent), state and local governments (17 percent), and other private revenues (7 percent) all declined during the same time period.





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zappaisgod said:Either I pay for my insurance or I pay for even more people's insurance than I do now.  Are you aware that there are actually a few people who pay taxes?





Alot of money is lost in the process, its not normal to pay that much of your GDP (17%) on a system that still cost the hell for the citizens.


I dont understand your last sentence:
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Are you aware that there are actually a few people who pay taxes?




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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19014769 - 10/22/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Amphibolos said:
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Amphibolos said:
I wanted to point out that the american system is the most expensive for the governement to sustain per capita, yet its not even everyone that can have access to it due to the costs.




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zappaisgod said:It doesn't cost the government one cent.




Do you really think that your insurance pays for all the system? :ooo:

Government still play a large role in the healthcare of your country National health expenditures (2011) off Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services website

Quote:

The federal government financed 28 percent of total health spending in 2011, a substantial increase from its share of 23 percent in 2007. Meanwhile, the shares of the total health care bill financed by households (28 percent), businesses (21 percent), state and local governments (17 percent), and other private revenues (7 percent) all declined during the same time period.








I am going to repeat this.  The government doesn't pay for anything.  Ever.
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zappaisgod said:Either I pay for my insurance or I pay for even more people's insurance than I do now.  Are you aware that there are actually a few people who pay taxes?





Alot of money is lost in the process, its not normal to pay that much of your GDP (17%) on a system that still cost the hell for the citizens.




That would be the people's choice, no?
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I dont understand your last sentence:
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Are you aware that there are actually a few people who pay taxes?







Where do you think the government gets the money from?  The money tree?  No.  They confiscate it and redistribute it.  Every fucking nickel of it.  They don't pay for a motherfucking thing.  Ever.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19015369 - 10/22/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

>  I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.

I can't speak for others, but the reason that I bitch about Obama Care is because the government is forcing me to buy something.  The government overstepped their authority and it annoys me... tax me and buy me healthcare if you want, but don't force me to purchase something.  The only reason they did it this way is to hide the price tag.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Seuss]
    #19018969 - 10/23/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The entity that is called government (l'état) is the physical manifestation of the political principle, it (the government) need your taxes to exist and perform its task: stabilizing the social cohesiveness. Something that the economy (banks) and the finance (bourse) cant and wont do, since they are not designed for it.

If you accept its existence and value the order created by its means, its because you agree that it takes some of your taxes to fulfill his goal.


I dont know much about Obamacare, i thought it would be a replica of our canadian system. Which perform well in most cases and is cost/effective. I however agree with you that in the extremes, like rare diseases or surgeries, the american system could be better than ours. But that is (partly) because the specialists are attracted by the high salaries given in the states for the surgeons and emigrate to your country once they graduated for cheap in Canada or other countries :smile:.




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Seuss said:
>  I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.

I can't speak for others, but the reason that I bitch about Obama Care is because the government is forcing me to buy something.  The government overstepped their authority and it annoys me... tax me and buy me healthcare if you want, but don't force me to purchase something.  The only reason they did it this way is to hide the price tag.





This could be something i can understand.


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Re: Obamacare website [Re: Seuss]
    #19019300 - 10/23/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Seuss said:
>  I dont get why people bitch over Obama care.

I can't speak for others, but the reason that I bitch about Obama Care is because the government is forcing me to buy something.  The government overstepped their authority and it annoys me... tax me and buy me healthcare if you want, but don't force me to purchase something.  The only reason they did it this way is to hide the price tag.





Well if you DON"T have health insurance I DON'T WANT TO BE FORCE TO PAY FOR YOUR HEALTHCARE BILLS!


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    #19019973 - 10/23/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And you have Asshole like this

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Dr. Ben Carson, a renowned neurosurgeon enjoying recent popularity in the conservative movement, compared the federal health care law to "slavery" during a speech Friday at the Values Voter Summit, an annual conservative gathering in Washington.
"Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is -- in a way, it is slavery, in a way," he said. "Because it is making all of us subservient to the government."




Far from being 'Slavery' the ACA sets you free. Freedom to have health insurance, not to worry about being dropped if you get sick. Freedom to GET insurance w/o worry of having a pre-existing condition. Freedom to take the job you want and not to be stuck in a job for the health benefits.

This isn't "GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE" it's thorough private insurers.

Lastly it Freedom for people who HAVE insurance, to get the freeloaders off their premiums.


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    #19020045 - 10/23/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
And you have Asshole like this

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Dr. Ben Carson, a renowned neurosurgeon enjoying recent popularity in the conservative movement, compared the federal health care law to "slavery" during a speech Friday at the Values Voter Summit, an annual conservative gathering in Washington.
"Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is -- in a way, it is slavery, in a way," he said. "Because it is making all of us subservient to the government."




Far from being 'Slavery' the ACA sets you free. Freedom to have health insurance, not to worry about being dropped if you get sick. Freedom to GET insurance w/o worry of having a pre-existing condition. Freedom to take the job you want and not to be stuck in a job for the health benefits.

This isn't "GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE" it's thorough private insurers.

Lastly it Freedom for people who HAVE insurance, to get the freeloaders off their premiums.




"to get the freeloader off their premiums."

Since they are accepting preexisting conditions, who do you think is going to pay for this?  "people who HAVE insurance".


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    #19020110 - 10/23/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sweeper54 said:
And you have Asshole like this

Quote:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Dr. Ben Carson, a renowned neurosurgeon enjoying recent popularity in the conservative movement, compared the federal health care law to "slavery" during a speech Friday at the Values Voter Summit, an annual conservative gathering in Washington.
"Obamacare is really, I think, the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is -- in a way, it is slavery, in a way," he said. "Because it is making all of us subservient to the government."




Far from being 'Slavery' the ACA sets you free. Freedom to have health insurance, not to worry about being dropped if you get sick. Freedom to GET insurance w/o worry of having a pre-existing condition. Freedom to take the job you want and not to be stuck in a job for the health benefits.




Why would you be stuck?  Buy your own insurance.  I did.
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This isn't "GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE" it's thorough private insurers.




It is compelled by the government.  It is regulated to the balls by the government and it is largely paid for by the government.  Are you drinking?  How about your freedom to choose not to have insurance without penalty?
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Lastly it Freedom for people who HAVE insurance, to get the freeloaders off their premiums.




:lolsy:  Off my policy, which I will no longer have and onto my tax tit.

Have you signed up yet?


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