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DeepMedi
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
#19013190 - 10/22/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have never seen algae on my perlite. Don't use the miracle grow brand perhaps.
Me nether, yeah thats just what I hear when I was recomended to boil my perlite in a nearly saturated salt water solution to keep stuff from growing on it (like algae or other stuff) and kill any thing that got on it from the last gro
its not need but if wanna feel more cautious and preventative then its an option for u
Sadly the MG brand perlite here is laced with nitrogen fertilizer so I never dared to use it, it might b good to go tho but IDK
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: PussyFart]
#19013209 - 10/22/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: A hydron tub is like using a snickers bar in a PF recipe.
Calm down bro.....you've been on a rampage all morning....lol
Maybe I need a snickers 
Bowl break.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: DeepMedi]
#19013280 - 10/22/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DeepMedi said:
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bodhisatta said:
I have never seen algae on my perlite. Don't use the miracle grow brand perhaps.
Me nether, yeah thats just what I hear when I was recomended to boil my perlite in a nearly saturated salt water solution to keep stuff from growing on it (like algae or other stuff) and kill any thing that got on it from the last gro
its not need but if wanna feel more cautious and preventative then its an option for u
Sadly the MG brand perlite here is laced with nitrogen fertilizer so I never dared to use it, it might b good to go tho but IDK
Rocks cannot be "laced with anything.
This is why we rinse the perlite really good before we use it.
So if it has been coated with anything it comes right off.
I have only used MG perlite and never seen this problem.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
#19013286 - 10/22/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LOL
The original poster might need a snicker too
I understand he got off on the wrong foot with the cursing and the corporate what not, I dont condone that but might be that he hasnt satisfied his hunger, shit happens
Some times its best too smoke a bowl or eat some chocolate before posting
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: PussyFart]
#19013314 - 10/22/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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DeepMedi said:
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bodhisatta said:
I have never seen algae on my perlite. Don't use the miracle grow brand perhaps.
Me nether, yeah thats just what I hear when I was recomended to boil my perlite in a nearly saturated salt water solution to keep stuff from growing on it (like algae or other stuff) and kill any thing that got on it from the last gro
its not need but if wanna feel more cautious and preventative then its an option for u
Sadly the MG brand perlite here is laced with nitrogen fertilizer so I never dared to use it, it might b good to go tho but IDK
Rocks cannot be "laced with anything.
This is why we rinse the perlite really good before we use it.
So if it has been coated with anything it comes right off.
I have only used MG perlite and never seen this problem.
Cool, good to know the miracle grow is good to use, thanks
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Notahacker420 said:Rocks cannot be "laced with anything.
I dont know if its laced or how they add it but the bag clearly states it has added nitrogen fertilzer "for better growth"
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
#19013593 - 10/22/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anon887 said: I think my SGFC never works out because perlite clogging holes in the bottom. Someone else posted about that causing problem; I never got around to testing it for sure. I might try SGFC if I can find some good large perlite or something but even then it breaks apart everywhere.
I did what you said, though not much comes up..
I would seem to me and some of the post's i read, that FAE is provided by the airpumps. The only holes in this setup is the lid. So naturally air is being pushed out the top from the bubble wands. This seems to be 'enough' for other people.
I don't feel like I'm reinventing the wheel... This setup is a popular patented product or something, It's weird there isn't many more posts about how to recreate.
Though some of the other posts show vew different way to do this. EX https://files.shroomery.org/files/05-51/540294443-HPIM0859.jpg
I have 5/6 inc of hydron with the 1" evap zone above the water line. The fan is quite powerful, though the humidity only goes down about 20% and takes about 45m to get back maxed after. Could the fan be drying them out too much for that short period of time? Causing some type of stunting or problem?
If your perlite is clogging up the holes it's because you're not cleaning out the tiny little rocks. While the perlite is still dry, dump it into the strainer and shake it vigorously over a trash bag or something to let all the little pieces of perlite fall through.
Once I did this I got 4 times (okay hard to qualify it exactly but it was WAAAY improved) the performance in my SGFC.
If you want to try a different way all together then for what it's worth, you can try making a WAY miniature greenhouse (not a martha) say a giant tote with one of these http://www.diapers.com/p/crane-blue-white-drop-shape-ultrasonic-cool-mist-humidifier-21379 piping in humidity through a hose on a timer and then maybe one these http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3742976&f=PAD%2FpsNotAvailInUS%2FNo piping fresh air into it from a different side (also on a timer) or maybe a computer fan cut into the wall of the tote and do what you can to dial it in with timers or what not.
If you want to experiment then it's going to take time. There are no immediate super fast results. Just like when people try to find the perfect isolate, they have to go through all the work of fruiting out each one individually to find the characteristics that they want and that can take months or years depending on what they're looking for and how many different isolates they're trying.
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In the cult archive, in boxes, check out poor mans pod written by magash. Whole lot on water/hydro/box/thingy.
If I wasn't in class id go more in depth, sorry bud. Hope it helps!
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elasticaltiger said:
If your perlite is clogging up the holes it's because you're not cleaning out the tiny little rocks. While the perlite is still dry, dump it into the strainer and shake it vigorously over a trash bag or something to let all the little pieces of perlite fall through.
Once I did this I got 4 times (okay hard to qualify it exactly but it was WAAAY improved) the performance in my SGFC.
If you want to try a different way all together then for what it's worth, you can try making a WAY miniature greenhouse (not a martha) say a giant tote with one of these http://www.diapers.com/p/crane-blue-white-drop-shape-ultrasonic-cool-mist-humidifier-21379 piping in humidity through a hose on a timer and then maybe one these http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3742976&f=PAD%2FpsNotAvailInUS%2FNo piping fresh air into it from a different side (also on a timer) or maybe a computer fan cut into the wall of the tote and do what you can to dial it in with timers or what not.
If you want to experiment then it's going to take time. There are no immediate super fast results. Just like when people try to find the perfect isolate, they have to go through all the work of fruiting out each one individually to find the characteristics that they want and that can take months or years depending on what they're looking for and how many different isolates they're trying.
great post!
Good stuff
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
#19013659 - 10/22/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP you're trying to run when you haven't learned to crawl. You didn't even get the tek right the first time when you had instructions.
Crawl. Walk. And then run. In other words get a few grows under your belt before you go trying to reinvent the wheel and telling us we're wrong for not deviating from what works perfectly and hasn't been improved despite hundreds of attempts before you.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
#19014010 - 10/22/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anon887 said: The uncased(my first flush tester for environment) produced 3 shrooms about 1/2 the size of a lighter. I just took them off before the pictures. Their veils were half torn evenly around. HOWEVER the whole shrooms had fallen over; where it connects to the cake was broken - apparently by weight. Though this seems imposable as the fruits were very small...
my last grow was a half assed taz pf grow in a perlite set up with no sgfc holes: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19002292
So on the first flush the first few shrooms were small and falling over b4 maturing like you said but I think it was becouse I dint dunked b4 the first flush cuz on the second flush and after a dunk they were producing way biger fruits that made it all the way to maturity
You know, its kinda funny how I did not know the sgfc was mandatory for the perlite set up until I joined here and was told so by some good members, Up untill then I really thought it was purely optional
But anyways I feel as tho I could have gotten better results if I watched my "manual" FAE and misting "which I was really lacking at", and still get away with good results with out the sgfc
Up to this point I really thought it was purely optional
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: DeepMedi]
#19014271 - 10/22/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can make up your own tek, and get this:

or follow a proven tek and get something like this:

up to you
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: Khii Khwaay]
#19014483 - 10/22/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Khii Khwaay said: You can make up your own tek, and get this:

or follow a proven tek and get something like this:

up to you
Lol
that looks almost like a tv comercial for a proven tek 
good one...
Nice canopy there, hopefully sooner then later Ill get results like that
You know, I have tried to spawn to bulk many times, well just a few really, like 3-4 but it got frustrating and seemed to take forever so I settled for cakes to get some fruits ASAP
now that I know what i did wrong hopefully next time it will be a success
See my grains and poo sub were to wet, causing them projects to drown,
Them jars allways fully colonised but when I spawned them to the bulk sub bags they dint do a thing and after a few day started smelling like rancid banana so got thrown out
this happened 3-4 times in a row b4 I knew what I was doing wrong
The next bulk attempt shall start coming soon and lucky for me theres people like you who can help me out a long the way
Good Vibez
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Edited by DeepMedi (10/22/13 05:07 PM)
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
#19014622 - 10/22/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Clay rocks don't seem to evaporate well on their own, that's a big reason for the bubble wands. The fresh air coming in from underneath helps to get the evaporation going.
Regardless of your FC, you still need to dunk PF cakes in water for 24 hours AND then roll in vermiculite. Vermiculite serves as a moisture reservoir on/near the surface.
Every time you mist, the vermiculite absorbs some of the water. You mist until it glistens with water and then you wait till it no longer glistens to mist them again. Depending on your FC and environment, you may have to mist more often than others.
If you are not misting, I bet top dollar that's why you're having a hard time. On average, from what I've read, a good misting schedule is 3-5 times a day.
If you must use clay instead of perlite, I would put SGFC style hole all over except where your water line is and ditch the fan. This is your best chance for constant FAE. Your bubble wands won't provide this, but it may support evaporation from the clay.
Also, anyone that thinks perlite is clogging their holes and preventing FAE is a complete imbecile.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19014753 - 10/22/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If perlite clogged the holes it would clog itself when layered 4-6 inches.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
#19040402 - 10/27/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey anon, Sorry to bump your old thread, but, I noticed you only have a couple of cakes. When I was doing cakes, I didn't have very good success until I had the chamber as full as possible with cakes. I even stacked them. It helps create a microclimate. With only a few cakes there is a ton of open air for it all to evaporate.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: hgmstl]
#19040527 - 10/27/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Regardless of how many cakes are inside it should be working the same
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
#19041611 - 10/27/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Giggle_Grower said: Psh.dont be offended becuz you didnt get the answers you want. There are many succesful teks on this sight Jus cuz yours isnt one of them doesn't make us corprate. Indeed if we were corprate, we would offer BS advice we could profit from. Not logical proven methods.you use a poor mans pod with geolite/ clay, a old tek, ask for advice and critice thosr who offer it, callin such being corprate. We all use tbe same teks because they are proven to work. Why do you hate on those trying to help? Tjat? is what you wanted right? Help with your setup? You search and find this tobe outdated, with nee teks in its place. You dont want to use perlite and SGFC? Fine. But its not right to hate on those suggesting relyable advice. You want to use a old tek. Fine, but expect old results. You cant use old methods and expect modern results. Thats just doesnt make sense. Experimentation is a good thing, but dont get pissy when the truth hitz you in the face.
Yes im a bit drunk and made some typos. But I still make more sense than you. Think about that. Long and hard, think about it. I hope you get it. I hope you fucking grow up, get with what works, and get proper results. Christ i hope you get it.
Im so sick of.insulting newbies with this attitude. " oh i did this cuz im lazy and heard about this one guy who had it work, so it must work.for me. To hell with anyone who.says im wrong, they are clearly more proactive and tried to.succeed. i want a quick cheap way and it must be right.cuz its.what i want. Now tell me why its nots working, cuz its not.my fault." It fucking so insulting to those take the craft seriously or even legitametly. Like telling a doctor he doesnt know what a bandaid is or why its used, then using dirt to cover a cut and asking the same doc why it infected and saying he is wrong.
I was a newb once and made lots of stupid mistakes. But when i found out i wad in the wrong, i admitted too it, took the advice i was offered by those i asked for such advice and have never been happier. I surely didnt insult those trying to help me. I may have agrued, but accepted the truth when it blantaly placed in front of me. We all make mistakes Learning from them is what makes us human. Hundreds if not thousands have made the same journey.
Or maybe i should take i hiatus from offering advice. Newbs dont care, least those.with their own opinions. They cant be wrong, after all, they saw it on fucking youtube. Only MTfuckingV could showthem they are wrong. They come here so they can hear how cool they are.
Done. Out. Ban me if you want. I hope my point got threw to someone tho. This isnt all because of the OP but his corprate comment push me over the edge.
I did that. Maybe I'm reading it out of context or something...
I made a thread for help; and all I got told was I'm a stupid noob for doing PMP and do something else. It's not that I'm 'offended', its just annoying to be told to do something else which in the OP I said I did not want to discuss. Yet 4/5 posts are telling me to do other teks. If you don't like PMP, dont post.. The "PMP is crap" is echoed everywhere on this forums. Again, as I hinted at in the OP I understand its sub-par, but lets talk about it anyway.
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bodhisatta said: Regardless of how many cakes are inside it should be working the same
I am going to disagree. I have yet fill it with many cakes. But I can already think that the much lower surface area at the top of the hydron possible will lead to a different type of humidity.. The top of the hydron does not stay 'glazed' very long. Adding more cakes maybe will help this for the areas not covered. The area under my foil is much more humdidty/drips back into the res. More of these little blockages will change something.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
#19041958 - 10/27/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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PM the posters who use PMP's.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19042375 - 10/27/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I put hydroton in fruiting chamber. But is was a shotgun fruiting chamber design i just didn't put holes in the bottom or lid it worked fine.
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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: rumfor69]
#19049136 - 10/28/13 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: I put hydroton in fruiting chamber. But is was a shotgun fruiting chamber design i just didn't put holes in the bottom or lid it worked fine.

Nice!
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