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    #19010095 - 10/21/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Theres not many hydro tubs here, and its hard to find good information.

Before you suggest SGFC, I have had one with about the same results as this; perlite is too nasty and a PIA to work with. I refuse.

65gal, 2 bubble wands. If you notice the fan on top, it runs 2times a day for 30m(timer limitation). I really am trying to get a automated environment



Cakes with the casing(?) are on 2nd flush & from my SGFC. They did not produce any pins second flush in this tub..


The uncased(my first flush tester for environment) produced 3 shrooms about 1/2  the size of a lighter. I just took them off before the pictures. Their veils were half torn evenly around. HOWEVER the whole shrooms had fallen over; where it connects to the cake was broken - apparently by weight. Though this seems imposable as the fruits were very small...



IDK what to do to dial in this environment. Hydro tubs are not really discussed much. I see lots of conflicting things on this setup; some say to mist and fan some say to set and forget.

I have some more cakes coming up soon. Tell me what I should change before I test my next batch in here.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
    #19010130 - 10/21/13 07:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

sorry if this isnt the info you are looking for.. but im assuming the stuff you have on the bottom is basically acting in a similar fashion to perlite?

in which case, wouldnt it make sense to build it just as you would an SGFC, but just use whatever that is instead of perlite?

just a thought


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
    #19010150 - 10/21/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First calibrated your hygrometer. Secondly your RH is just going to suffer with that setup. Clay works on the same theory as perlite, you want water evaporating off of it. If you were gonna use bubble wands, you still woulda been better off using perlite for its surface area.

I don't know where your water line is. if you want automation build a greenhouse, trying to build an automated tub that works worth a danno is just not worth the fight.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: maddchef]
    #19010217 - 10/21/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You'll find a lot of conflicting and shitty info because no one has been able to pull it off successfully. If your cakes were not producing well with a SGFC then something is wrong with your SGFC, or something was wrong with the cakes that no fruiting chamber is going to help.

Search hydro tubs and automation with The trusted cultivators box ticked and you'll find out all the good information you need to know about why it's not going to work well.

If you can get 3-4 fresh air exchanges per hour / keep your CO2 level below 800-1000PPM while keeping your RH above 90% then go for it. People with 500+$ CO2 meters, proper working calibrated hygrometers, and engineering backgrounds keep coming back to the SGFC for a reason. I know you hate the perlite but I really doubt your going to reinvent the wheel when you only have the grasp that some intro videos told you about what mushrooms want.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19010618 - 10/21/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cool thread, good info in here

I also wanna ditch the perlite, I have to agree its a pita to work with 

have also been considering substitutes for it like the use of hydroton and even paper towel soaked in a peroxide/water solution

So with the hydroton you still need the sgfc set up? good to know.

I wonder if with the Paper Towel you still need the sgfc set up?

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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19010664 - 10/21/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

A soaked paper towel is asking for something nasty to grow, and hydrotron clay doesn't work nearly as well as perlite.

Perlite has all sorts of nooks and crevices that hold and evaporate moisture, clay is pretty uniform and smooth comparitively.

A sgfc is far superior for cakes.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19010869 - 10/21/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think my SGFC never works out because perlite clogging holes in the bottom. Someone else posted about that causing problem; I never got around to testing it for sure. I might try SGFC if I can find some good large perlite or something but even then it breaks apart everywhere.

I did what you said, though not much comes up..

I would seem to me and some of the post's i read, that FAE is provided by the airpumps. The only holes in this setup is the lid. So naturally air is being pushed out the top from the bubble wands. This seems to be 'enough' for other people.

I don't feel like I'm reinventing the wheel... This setup is a popular patented product or something, It's weird there isn't many more posts about how to recreate.

Though some of the other posts show vew different way to do this. EX
https://files.shroomery.org/files/05-51/540294443-HPIM0859.jpg

I have 5/6 inc of hydron with the 1" evap zone above the water line. The fan is quite powerful, though the humidity only goes down about 20% and takes about 45m to get back maxed after. Could the fan be drying them out too much for that short period of time? Causing some type of stunting or problem?


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
    #19010957 - 10/21/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There aren't loads of posts on it because it performs poorly


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: maddchef]
    #19010990 - 10/21/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A soaked paper towel is asking for something nasty to grow




yeah thats what I thought but might give it a try to experiment

I remember i saw a grow once where the paper towel was put to test and the results were fine really,as good as the perlite so I guess it works but its not the optimal choice


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
    #19011545 - 10/22/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Go bulk in monotubs and stop messing with cakes.

Problem solved.

Your welcome.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: PussyFart]
    #19012111 - 10/22/13 03:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

*yawn*

I forgot, this site only can do 2 teks -- regurgitating the same old info all day. Never trying new things or discussing otherways do shit. "monotubs or get out". "SGFC better cuz i say it is"

You people really all fucking dull. Guess I'm on this trip alone. To the people who think it sucks, they make a fucking corporate shelf version of this shit. You don't get your pre-made hydrotub patented & on store shelfs if it don't work.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
    #19012178 - 10/22/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Psh.dont be offended  becuz you didnt get the answers you want. There are many succesful teks on this sight

Jus cuz yours isnt one of them doesn't  make us corprate.
Indeed if we were corprate, we would offer BS advice we could profit from. Not logical proven methods.you use a poor mans pod with geolite/ clay, a old tek, ask for advice and critice thosr who offer it, callin such being corprate. We all use tbe same teks  because they are proven to work. Why do you hate on those trying to help? Tjat? is what you wanted right? Help with your setup? You search and find this tobe outdated, with nee teks in its place. You dont want to use perlite and SGFC? Fine. But its not right to hate on those suggesting relyable advice. You want to use a old tek. Fine, but expect old results. You  cant use old methods and expect modern results. Thats just doesnt make sense. Experimentation is a good thing, but dont get pissy when the truth hitz you in  the face.

Yes im a bit drunk and made some typos. But I still make more sense than you. Think about that. Long and hard, think about it. I hope you get it. I hope you fucking grow up, get with what works, and get proper results. Christ i hope you get it.

Im so sick of.insulting newbies with this attitude. " oh i did this cuz im lazy and heard about this one guy who had it work, so it must work.for me. To hell with anyone who.says im wrong, they are clearly more proactive and tried to.succeed. i want a quick cheap way and it must be right.cuz its.what i want. Now tell me why its nots working, cuz its not.my fault." It fucking so insulting to those take the craft seriously or even legitametly. Like telling a doctor he doesnt know what a bandaid is or why its used, then using dirt  to cover a cut and asking the same doc why it infected and saying he is wrong.

I was a newb once and made lots of stupid mistakes. But when i found out i wad in the wrong, i admitted too it, took the advice i was offered by those i asked for such advice and have never been happier. I surely didnt insult those trying to help me. I may have agrued, but accepted the truth when it blantaly placed in front of me.  We all make mistakes
Learning from them is what makes us human. Hundreds if not thousands have made  the same journey.

Or maybe i should take i hiatus from offering advice. Newbs dont care, least those.with their own opinions. They cant be wrong, after all, they saw it on fucking youtube. Only MTfuckingV could showthem they are wrong. They come here so they can hear how cool they are.

Done. Out.  Ban me if you want. I hope my point got threw to someone tho. This isnt all because of the OP but his corprate comment push me over the edge.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19012466 - 10/22/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I remember this other grower that had the best results Ive seen with cakes, All over pinning with huge fruits from halfpints, really impressive

And what surprised me the most is he dint even had perlite on the tub or any other humidification media sitting in there, he just misted the cakes and did plenty of furious manual FAE by fanning it with the tubs lid, 5-6 times daily if I recall correctly

Wish I could show pics from it now but that site is down for now maybe when it gets up ill get them in here

But yeah there r other ways around it

I guess its just that most people tend to stick with whats widely known to work(tried and proved stuff)and dont experiment much, maybe some people aint got the time or motivation to experiment and that I can understand.

and to the OP just relax man, try out your experiment and tell us how it went, you might be on to something here, dont get upset if other people dont support it, just be happy and grow some fruits

I want you all to be happy :smile:

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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: anon887]
    #19012824 - 10/22/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You people really all fucking dull. Guess I'm on this trip alone. To the people who think it sucks, they make a fucking corporate shelf version of this shit. You don't get your pre-made hydrotub patented & on store shelfs if it don't work.



Yea, because everything they sell on corporate shelves are made to just work, and not separate you from your money....gotcha...we got a winner here.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: PussyFart]
    #19013047 - 10/22/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't feel like I'm reinventing the wheel... This setup is a popular patented product or something, It's weird there isn't many more posts about how to recreate.




The people that patented it are the people that sell them for way more money than they're worth as parts of mush kits. Every single person that buys them that comes here posts about wondering why they work like shit.

H2O2 is not going to save your papertowels from turning into rotten shit either. The peroxide will be consumed in hours from being exposed to light. Besides fruiting isn't sterile so why bother trying to keep your perlite(or what ever garbage you want to act as perlite) aseptic.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19013124 - 10/22/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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H2O2 is not going to save your papertowels from turning into rotten shit either. The peroxide will be consumed in hours from being exposed to light.




Good to know that,  thanks.

what about hydrating them with a saturated water/sodium chloride(salt) solution?

what about good ol bleach?

A trusted old time grower ones said on a thread some thing along the lines that he has used cotton towels(not paper) that were machine washed with some bleach and stoped before the rinse cycle, with nice results

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Besides fruiting isn't sterile so why bother trying to keep your perlite(or what ever garbage you want to act as perlite) aseptic.



Well we dont want algae or the like to grow on there while we still have a few flushes ahead, dont we?

Plus is best to err on the side of caution


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19013155 - 10/22/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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H2O2 is not going to save your papertowels from turning into rotten shit either. The peroxide will be consumed in hours from being exposed to light. Besides fruiting isn't sterile so why bother trying to keep your perlite(or what ever garbage you want to act as perlite) aseptic.




Good to know that,  thanks.

what about hydrating them with a saturated water/sodium chloride(salt) solution?

what about good ol bleach?

A trusted old time grower ones said on a thread some thing along the lines that he has used cotton towels(not paper) that were machine washed with some bleach and stoped before the rinse cycle, with nice results

I don't think the salt will help anything. And I don't want everything to smell like bleach fumes.

Quote:

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Besides fruiting isn't sterile so why bother trying to keep your perlite(or what ever garbage you want to act as perlite) aseptic.



Well we dont want algae or the like to grow on there while we still have a few flushes ahead, dont we?

Plus is best to err on the side of caution




I have never seen algae on my perlite. Don't use the miracle grow brand perhaps.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: DeepMedi]
    #19013157 - 10/22/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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H2O2 is not going to save your papertowels from turning into rotten shit either. The peroxide will be consumed in hours from being exposed to light. Besides fruiting isn't sterile so why bother trying to keep your perlite(or what ever garbage you want to act as perlite) aseptic.




Good to know that,  thanks.

what about hydrating them with a saturated water/sodium chloride(salt) solution?

what about good ol bleach?



Not needed.

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Well we dont want algae or the like to grow on there while we still have a few flushes ahead, dont we?



No we don't, which is why we do not want standing water either.

The moist perlite is not going to grow algae.....

It is constantly having fresh air flowing up thru it.


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Re: hydron tub help / suggestions [Re: PussyFart]
    #19013171 - 10/22/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I like how people follow all the rules and directions for PF cakes, for the most part. They don't know anything about the mix or field capacity or nutrition etc... They don't bother changing it.

Then comes the fruiting chamber. Everyone seems to be an expert on terrariums. Nah fuck the people who have tried literally everything and wound up teaching us the best way not to waist our time.

A hydron tub is like using a snickers bar in a PF recipe.


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    #19013174 - 10/22/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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A hydron tub is like using a snickers bar in a PF recipe.



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