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Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I * 3
    #18971500 - 10/13/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

SUMMARY: The Deputy Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is issuing this notice of intent to temporarily schedule three synthetic phenethylamines into the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) pursuant to the temporary scheduling provisions of 21 U.S.C. 811(h). The substances are 2-(4-iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine (25I-NBOMe; 2C-I-NBOMe; 25I; Cimbi-5), 2-(4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine (25C-NBOMe; 2C-C-NBOMe; 25C; Cimbi-82), and 2-(4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine (25B-NBOMe; 2C-B-NBOMe; 25B; Cimbi-36) [hereinafter 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe]. This action is based on a finding by the Deputy Administrator that the placement of these synthetic phenethylamines into Schedule I of the CSA is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety. Any final order will be published in the Federal Register and may not be issued prior to November 12, 2013. Any final order will impose the administrative, civil, and criminal sanctions and regulatory controls applicable to Schedule I substances under the CSA on the manufacture, distribution, possession, importation, exportation, research, and conduct of instructional activities of these synthetic phenethylamines.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Ruth A. Carter, Chief, Policy Evaluation and Analysis Section, Office of Diversion Control, Drug Enforcement Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia 22152, Telephone (202) 598-6812.

SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION:

Background

Section 201 of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811, provides the Attorney General with the authority to temporarily place a substance into Schedule I of the CSA for two years without regard to the requirements of 21 U.S.C. 811(b) if he finds that such action is necessary to avoid imminent hazard to the public safety. 21 U.S.C. 811(h). In addition, if proceedings to control a substance are initiated under 21 U.S.C. 811(a)(1), the Attorney General may extend the temporary scheduling for up to one year. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(2).

Where the necessary findings are made, a substance may be temporarily scheduled if it is not listed in any other schedule under section 202 of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 812, or if there is no exemption or approval in effect under section 505 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), 21 U.S.C. 355, for the substance. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(1). The Attorney General has delegated his authority under 21 U.S.C. 811 to the Administrator of the DEA, who in turn has delegated her authority to the Deputy Administrator of the DEA. 28 CFR 0.100, 0.104.

Section 201(h)(4) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(4), requires the Deputy Administrator to notify the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) of his intention to temporarily place a substance into Schedule I of the CSA.\1\ As 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe are not currently listed in any schedule under the CSA, the DEA believes that the conditions of 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(1) have been satisfied. Any comments submitted by the Assistant Secretary in response to this notification shall be taken into consideration before a final order is published. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(4).

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\1\ Because the Secretary of the HHS has delegated to the Assistant Secretary for Health of the HHS the authority to make domestic drug scheduling recommendations, for purposes of this Notice of Intent, all subsequent references to "Secretary" have been replaced with "Assistant Secretary." As set forth in a memorandum of understanding entered into by HHS, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), FDA acts as the lead agency within HHS in carrying out the Assistant Secretary's scheduling responsibilities under the CSA, with the concurrence of NIDA. 50 FR 9518, Mar. 8, 1985.

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To make a finding that placing a substance temporarily into Schedule I of the CSA is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety, the Deputy Administrator is required to consider three of the eight factors set forth in section 201(c) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(c): The substance's history and current pattern of abuse; the scope, duration and significance of abuse; and what, if any, risk there is to the public health. 21 U.S.C. 811(c)(4)-(6). Consideration of these factors includes actual abuse, diversion from legitimate channels, and clandestine importation, manufacture, or distribution. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(3).

A substance meeting the statutory requirements for temporary scheduling may only be placed in Schedule I. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(1). Substances in Schedule I are those that have a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. 21 U.S.C. 812(b)(1). Available data and information for 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe indicate that these three synthetic phenethylamines have a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision.

Synthetic Phenethylamines

The 2-methoxybenzyl series of 2C phenethylamine substances, such as 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe, has been developed over the last 10 years for use in mapping and investigating the serotonin receptors in the mammalian brain. 25I-NBOMe and 25B-NBOMe were first described by legitimate research laboratories in 2003. Subsequent studies involving these two substances appeared in the scientific literature starting in 2006. 25C-NBOMe first appeared in the scientific literature in 2011. No approved medical use has been identified for these synthetic phenethylamines, nor have they been approved by the FDA for human consumption. Synthetic 2C phenethylamine substances, of which 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe are representative, are so-termed for the two-carbon ethylene

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group between the phenyl ring and the amino group of the phenethylamine and are substituted with methoxy groups at the 2 and 5 positions of the phenyl ring. Numerous blotter papers and food items have been analyzed, and combinations of one or more of 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe have been identified as adulterants. Bulk quantities of these substances have been encountered as powders and liquid solutions.

From November 2011 through June 2013, according to the System to Retrieve Information from Drug Evidence \2\ (STRIDE) data, there are 54 exhibits involving 27 cases for 25I-NBOMe; 27 exhibits involving 12 cases for 25C-NBOMe; and 3 exhibits involving 3 cases for 25B-NBOMe. From June 2011 through March 2013, the National Forensic Laboratory Information System \3\ (NFLIS) registered 689 reports containing these synthetic phenethylamines (25I-NBOMe-582 reports; 25C-NBOMe-94 reports; 25B-NBOMe-13 reports) across 33 states. No instances involving 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, or 25B-NBOMe were reported in NFLIS prior to June 2011.

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\2\ STRIDE includes data on analyzed samples from DEA laboratories.

\3\ NFLIS is a database that collects scientifically verified data on analyzed samples in state and local forensic laboratories.

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Factor 4. History and Current Pattern of Abuse

One or more 2-methoxybenzyl analogues of the 2C compounds described here have been available over the Internet since 2010. The first identified domestic law enforcement encounter with 25I-NBOMe occurred in June 2011 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

Information from published studies and law enforcement reports, supplemented with discussions on Internet Web sites and personal communications, document abuse of 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe by nasal insufflation of powders, intravenous injection or nasal absorption of liquid solutions, sublingual or buccal administration of blotter papers, and consumption of food items laced with these substances. These sources also report that 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe are often purported to be Schedule I hallucinogens like lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). Reports document that the abuse of these substances can cause severe toxic reactions, including death.

According to United States Customs and Border Protection data, bulk quantities of powdered 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe have been seized from shipments originating overseas, particularly from Asia. Given the relatively small quantity of these substances predicted to produce a hallucinogenic effect in humans, single seizures of these substances are capable of producing hundreds of thousands to millions of dosage units. Large seizures of these substances prepared on blotter papers have also been reported. Abuse of 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe has been characterized with acute public health and safety issues domestically and abroad. In response, a number of states and foreign governments have controlled these substances.

Factor 5. Scope, Duration and Significance of Abuse

According to forensic laboratory reports, the first law enforcement encounter with 25I-NBOMe in the United States occurred in June 2011. According to NFLIS, 689 exhibits involving 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe were submitted to forensic laboratories between June 2011 and March 2013 from a number of states including Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Nevada, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. The number of reports submitted to NFLIS involving 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe has increased in each of the last five quarters where data is available. According to STRIDE, there are 84 records that identify 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe in evidence submitted to DEA laboratories between November 2011 and June 2013.

Factor 6. What, if Any, Risk There Is to the Public Health

In 2012 and 2013, emergency department physicians and toxicologists published and presented numerous case reports of patients treated for exposure to 25I-NBOMe. The adverse health effects reported include tachycardia, hypertension, agitation, aggression, visual and auditory hallucinations, seizures, hyperpyrexia, clonus, elevated white cell count, elevated creatine kinase, metabolic acidosis, rhabdomyolysis, and acute kidney injury.

Medical examiner and postmortem toxicology reports from 11 states implicate some combination of 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe in the death of at least 14 individuals. These reports suggest that 11 individuals died of acute toxicity, and 3 individuals died of unpredictable or violent behavior due to 25I-NBOMe toxicity. 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe have each been detected in postmortem blood toxicology for cases of acute toxicity.

Since abusers obtain these drugs through unknown sources, the identity, purity, and quantity of these substances is uncertain and inconsistent, thus posing significant adverse health risks to users. There are no recognized therapeutic uses of these substances in the United States and possible deadly drug interactions between 25I-NBOMe and FDA approved medications have been noted.

Finding of Necessity of Schedule I Placement To Avoid Imminent Hazard to Public Safety

Based on the above data and information, the continued uncontrolled manufacture, distribution, importation, exportation, and abuse of 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe pose an imminent hazard to the public safety. The DEA is not aware of any currently accepted medical uses for these synthetic phenethylamines in the United States. A substance meeting the statutory requirements for temporary scheduling, 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(1), may only be placed in Schedule I. Substances in Schedule I are those that have a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. Available data and information for 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe indicate that these three synthetic phenethylamines have a high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, and a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision. As required by section 201(h)(4) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(h), the Deputy Administrator through a letter dated September 3, 2013, notified the Assistant Secretary of the intention to temporarily place these three synthetic phenethylamines in Schedule I.

Conclusion

This notice of intent initiates an expedited temporary scheduling action and provides the 30-day notice pursuant to section 201(h) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(h). In accordance with the provisions of section 201(h) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(h), the Deputy Administrator considered available data and information, herein set forth the grounds for his determination that it is

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necessary to temporarily schedule three synthetic phenethylamines, 2-(4-iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine (25I-NBOMe; 2C-I-NBOMe; 25I; Cimbi-5), 2-(4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine (25C-NBOMe; 2C-C-NBOMe; 25C; Cimbi-82) and 2-(4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine (25B-NBOMe; 2C-B-NBOMe; 25B; Cimbi-36), in Schedule I of the CSA, and finds that placement of these synthetic phenethylamines into Schedule I of the CSA is warranted in order to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety.

Because the Deputy Administrator hereby finds that it is necessary to temporarily place these synthetic phenethylamines into Schedule I to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety, any subsequent final order temporarily scheduling these substances will be effective on the date of publication in the Federal Register, and will be in effect for a period of two years, with a possible extension of one additional year, pending completion of the permanent or regular scheduling process. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(1) and (2). It is the intention of the Deputy Administrator to issue such a final order as soon as possible after the expiration of 30 days from the date of publication of this notice. 25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe will then be subject to the regulatory controls and administrative, civil, and criminal sanctions applicable to the manufacture, distribution, possession, importation, exportation, research, and conduct of instructional activities of a Schedule I controlled substance under the CSA.

The CSA sets forth specific criteria for scheduling a drug or other substance. Regular scheduling actions in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(a) are subject to formal rulemaking procedures done "on the record after opportunity for a hearing" conducted pursuant to the provisions of 5 U.S.C. 556 and 557. 21 U.S.C. 811. The regular scheduling process of formal rulemaking affords interested parties with appropriate process and the government with any additional relevant information needed to make a determination. Final decisions that conclude the regular scheduling process of formal rulemaking are subject to judicial review. 21 U.S.C. 877. Temporary scheduling orders are not subject to judicial review. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(6).

Regulatory Matters

Section 201(h) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(h), provides for an expedited temporary scheduling action where such action is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety. As provided in this subsection, the Attorney General may, by order, schedule a substance in Schedule I on a temporary basis. Such an order may not be issued before the expiration of 30 days from (1) the publication of a notice in the Federal Register of the intention to issue such order and the grounds upon which such order is to be issued, and (2) the date that notice of a proposed temporary scheduling order is transmitted to the Assistant Secretary of HHS. 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(1).

Inasmuch as section 201(h) of the CSA directs that temporary scheduling actions be issued by order and sets forth the procedures by which such orders are to be issued, the DEA believes that the notice and comment requirements of section 553 of the Administrative Procedure Act (APA), 5 U.S.C. 553, do not apply to this notice of intent. In the alternative, even assuming that this notice of intent might be subject to section 553 of the APA, the Deputy Administrator finds that there is good cause to forgo the notice and comment requirements of section 553, as any further delays in the process for issuance of temporary scheduling orders would be impracticable and contrary to the public interest in view of the manifest urgency to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety.

Although the DEA believes this notice of intent to issue a temporary scheduling order is not subject to the notice and comment requirements of section 553 of the APA, the DEA notes that in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(h)(4), the Deputy Administrator will be taking into consideration any comments submitted by the Assistant Secretary with regard to the proposed temporary scheduling order.

Further, the DEA believes that this temporary scheduling action is not a "rule" as defined by 5 U.S.C. 601(2), and, accordingly, is not subject to the requirements of the Regulatory Flexibility Act (RFA). The requirements for the preparation of an initial regulatory flexibility analysis in 5 U.S.C. 603(a) are not applicable where, as here, the DEA is not required by section 553 of the APA or any other law to publish a general notice of proposed rulemaking.

Additionally, this action is not a significant regulatory action as defined by Executive Order 12866 (Regulatory Planning and Review), section 3(f), and, accordingly, this action has not been reviewed by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB).

This action will not have substantial direct effects on the States, on the relationship between the national government and the States, or on the distribution of power and responsibilities among the various levels of government. Therefore, in accordance with Executive Order 13132 (Federalism) it is determined that this action does not have sufficient federalism implications to warrant the preparation of a Federalism Assessment.

List of Subjects in 21 CFR Part 1308

Administrative practice and procedure, Drug traffic control, Reporting and recordkeeping requirements.

Under the authority vested in the Attorney General by section 201(h) of the CSA, 21 U.S.C. 811(h), and delegated to the Deputy Administrator of the DEA by Department of Justice regulations (28 CFR 0.100, Appendix to Subpart R), the Deputy Administrator hereby intends to order that 21 CFR Part 1308 be amended as follows:

PART 1308--SCHEDULES OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES

1. The authority citation for Part 1308 continues to read as follows:

Authority: 21 U.S.C. 811, 812, 871(b), unless otherwise noted.

2. Section 1308.11 is amended by adding new paragraphs (h)(12), (13), and (14) to read as follows:

Sec. 1308.11 Schedule I.

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(h) * * *

(12) 2-(4-iodo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine, its optical, positional, and geometric isomers, salts and salts of isomers--7538 (Other names: 25I-NBOMe; 2C-I-NBOMe; 25I; Cimbi-5)

(13) 2-(4-chloro-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine, its optical, positional, and geometric isomers, salts and salts of isomers--7537 (Other names: 25C-NBOMe; 2C-C-NBOMe; 25C; Cimbi-82)

(14) 2-(4-bromo-2,5-dimethoxyphenyl)-N-(2-methoxybenzyl)ethanamine, its optical, positional, and geometric isomers, salts and salts of isomers--7536 (Other names: 25B-NBOMe; 2C-B-NBOMe; 25B; Cimbi-36)

Dated: October 4, 2013.

Thomas M. Harrigan,
Deputy Administrator.

[FR Doc. 2013-24432 Filed 10-9-13; 8:45 am]

BILLING CODE 4410-09-P

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InvisibleSimplepowa
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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Simplepowa]
    #18971627 - 10/13/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For those wondering:

25I-NBOMe, 25C-NBOMe, and 25B-NBOMe are targeted.


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Robert Pirsig - "When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

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Brian Cox - "[One] problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it. The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense."


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Simplepowa] * 1
    #18971768 - 10/13/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Glad I got plenty when the getting was good, I've only done 25C and I really enjoy it. I always prepped my doses from powder so I knew what the dose was never took a unknown dose like when people buy blotter they think is LSD. The safety profile is defiantly not near as safe as traditional psychedelics but everyone  that dosed with me all had good time and no bad reactions. i think it all comes down the dosing, anything over 1200ug and the negative aspects are very prominent, vasoconstriction pulse etc, but used within proper ranges I think 25c is a good compound.

    It's good they are banning them though, the average everyday person and even most drug users are not at familiar in handling something active in microgram ranges; which is why in my opinion all of the deaths associated with the NBOME family of drugs is a direct result of human error, I could be wrong but that's my opinion on it. Like erowid says know your body, know your mind, know your substances, know your source. With the NBOMEs being relatively new, the body and substance in the above are unknowns and with a class of drugs where  the margin of error is in the 1mg range the average person has plenty of room to really fuck themselves or someone else up and not in a good way.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Icepic] * 1
    #18972393 - 10/13/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh well, who cares about those stupid RC's and who cares about their status, things will remain the same...


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Deathcore]
    #18972910 - 10/13/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Circlesongs] * 2
    #18981545 - 10/15/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thank fucking god.  FINALLY!!!!!


:grin::thumbup:




Fuck this fucking poison, and double-fuck anyone who's either been greedy and heartless, or ignorant and retarded enough to sell this fucking poison as a psychedelic drug.


I just hope this doesn't continue to ruin the street-LSD trade for years to come, like methylone has been doing to the MDMA trade.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18981553 - 10/15/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

People are just going to stockpile and continue dealing it as lsd, until another Pickard comes around and floods the market, which is what hopefully will happen!
Cheap acid for all :raveface:


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: ChinChiller] * 2
    #18982113 - 10/15/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

More laws like this and prohibition of substances is not the answer.  Yeah, NBOMes are shit I agree.  I have zero interest in ingesting them.  But you guys are now cheering for people to get locked up over these chemicals.  And you're cheering for the people who want to lock people up over having a chemical.  I don't get it.  :shrug:


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: dokunai] * 1
    #18982372 - 10/15/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I do not get it either. I think all of us know very well that just because a substance becomes illegal it will not go away. And you are right, this classification only give the authorities more power to lock more people in.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Blind fool]
    #18989000 - 10/16/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck.

I think I still have a whole bunch of tabs.


Better eat them all.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: aperson444]
    #18989303 - 10/17/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just do not eat them all at once! You do not want to overdose and die.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Blind fool]
    #18990318 - 10/17/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

save them like saving herb.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Deathcore]
    #18990852 - 10/17/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Deathcore said:
save them like saving herb.



Im the worst at saving herb  :singletear:


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: ChinChiller] * 1
    #18991627 - 10/17/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As a drug user, if you're cheering this as a victory, you're being overly emotional and ridiculous.  You're cheering for perpetuating the drug war in favor of what you believe to be protection of "your scene." 

:rolleyes:

It's incredibly selfish and thoughtless.  The RC floodgates have been opened.  There are other NBOMes out there, and plenty of other low dose psychoactive chemicals that will be continued to be sold as LSD.

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I just hope this doesn't continue to ruin the street-LSD trade for years to come, like methylone has been doing to the MDMA trade.




I often appreciate your point of view, but I think your statements are ridiculous.  Methylone is a chemical enjoyed by many and the molecule is certainly not responsible for "ruining MDMA trade."  The War on Drugs is responsible for "ruining MDMA trade" since MDMA is illegal and other chemicals are more accessible to be sold on the unregulated black market.  MDMA trade has contained fake rolls and dubious chemicals long before methylone hit the scene.  Methylone just so happens to be easier to pass off as MDMA than speeds and pipes.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Society]
    #18998470 - 10/19/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree. they further demonize the flagship psychedelic, lsd. this makes them a larger target in the drug war.

I think herioin and cocaine are more dangerous than psychedelics and should be more illegal. shrooms, mdma, lsd should come from dity hippies with at most a slap on the wrist from leo if anyone gets busted. pot should be as legal as sugar.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: goldenroad08]
    #18998478 - 10/19/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

and buytlone and methylone suck balls.

seriously. i feel like i ate drugs just to eat them everytime on mcat. waste of time money and brain cells.

methylone and nbombs aren't common because they're awesome. their common because the feds have gotten good at controlling lsd/molly supply


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Blind fool]
    #19008714 - 10/21/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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More laws like this and prohibition of substances is not the answer.  Yeah, NBOMes are shit I agree.  I have zero interest in ingesting them.  But you guys are now cheering for people to get locked up over these chemicals.  And you're cheering for the people who want to lock people up over having a chemical.  I don't get it.  :shrug:




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I do not get it either. I think all of us know very well that just because a substance becomes illegal it will not go away. And you are right, this classification only give the authorities more power to lock more people in.






I'm honestly getting tired of explaining this. But since you were nice and polite and didn't attack me for my opinion, I'll state it again:




"I think all of us know very well that just because a substance becomes illegal it will not go away."



True. Sort of.  25i did not come into existence because people wanted a nice, new, novel psychedelic. That's not why it was created (actually, this one is a "proper" research chemical, as it was invented by a legit researcher-- to poison rats with and study what it does to their little brains.)  But that's not why it was brought to market, either. And sure, many psychonauts out there look for new experiences. But that is purely incidental here.


This stuff exists on the market solely because "traditional" psychedelics are difficult to get for some. And they are somewhat expensive for everyone. And the grand-daddy of the highly-sought-after psychedelics is LSD. Which is also notoriously difficult to make. So the supply is somewhat limited, compared to the demand. And compared to the price and risk of synthing LSD, the NBOMes can be made fairly inexpensively, and (at least in some places) less risk to make.


Because it could be bought so inexpensively, and easily, and was so potent it could be dosed on blotter, this allowed many unscrupulous assholes to pass it off as LSD. And that's what's been happening. A lot. Someone recently told me a kid in our area has been selling this shit as acid, and has like 70-80 sheets of the garbage.  Then, this stuff has been killing people, sending people to the hospital, etc etc. This stuff is clearly far more dangerous than LSD. Anyone denying that clearly hasn't looked at the evidence, or is in complete denial, either because they like the drug, or they're a fucking scumbag who wants to make weak ass m oral justifications so they can be greedy and make easy money without feeling too guilty. There is a ton of evidence out there. From stuff written by its creator, a real live research scientist (not some guy in a shady chinese lab) to a recent study showing neurotoxicity, to all the media reports of hospitalizations and deaths.


This stuff is NOT as safe as LSD. Not even almost. In fact, I don't consider it very "safe" at all.


And it is being passed off as LSD. If tons of people weren't doing this, I would have no problem with the chemical, or its legality. I wouldn't go anywhere near it, myself. But I'd happily bless whatever you or anybody else wanted to do with it-- as long as it's honestly made sales to adults. However, that's not the case. And even if you are being responsible, and telling people what it really is, and only selling to other responsible adults, unless you are printing 25i-NBOMe right on the blotter, or unless you're selling it at prohibitively high costs (so it's not profitable at all to re-sell as LSD) you can not guarantee that someone else down the line will not pass it off as acid.


So if you are selling it in any amount, at any level, except maybe just 1 or 2 tabs to a close friend, IMHO you are potentially part of the problem.


This is a case of the greedy ruining it for everyone else. I was going to say "the greedy few," but that wouldn't even be true.  From dozens and dozens of online labs and vendors selling it way too cheap for the public's good (just to undercut the competition, and get a few more sales) to the countless hundreds or thousands of people selling this on the street as "LSD" or selling hits so goddamned cheap that it gives someone else incentive to do the same-- every one of those many people, and their placing greed and quick profits above responsibility, and self-regulation, are the people who ruined it for everyone. And by "it" I mean the legality of the NBOMes themselves, as well as the LSD market, as well as THE LIVES of numerous people.



I'm sorry.... I hate the war on drugs. I hate what it is. I hate what it does to people. I really don't want to see lives ruined, or made more difficult because of this bullshit war. But IMHO the people pushing this stuff are doing harm to society. And I don't want to see that either.


Drugs are a "victimless" crime. That is the case because while drugs may cause harm in a person's life, it is based on a choice they made. If I make the choice to take LSD, I do not expect a high likelihood that I will experience seizures or death. By selling 25i, knowing that it could be passed off as LSD somewhere down the line, you are helping to take that "choice" out of the equation. You have now turned a "victimless crime" into something that has a clear victim, IMO. And people should fucking go to jail when they hurt people, either purposely, or with reckless disregard for the consequences of their actions.



I'm hoping that when this becomes illegal, people will just switch back to LSD, or something else that isn't neurotoxic and dropping kids like flies. Sadly, much or all of this could have been avoided.



tl;dr



Greed + Irresponsibility  =  Sorry, party's over. Maybe go find some acid, instead.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #19009563 - 10/21/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That was fucking incredible.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Dickhead] * 1
    #19010256 - 10/21/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I empathize with your general point of view; you're deeply upset that your scene that involves your favorite illegal drugs is significantly disrupted.  Drugs are misrepresented, deaths have occurred, etc.  It's fucking awful.

Here's where I have the problem with your argument:

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I'm hoping that when this becomes illegal, people will just switch back to LSD, or something else that isn't neurotoxic and dropping kids like flies.




There is no evidence to substantiate this criminalizing these three NBOMe compounds will fulfill this outcome. 

Everything you have stated is a direct result of policies similar to what you suggest perpetuating.  Criminalization of chemicals creates black markets; black markets allow/encourage for selfish/ignorant people to utilize unscrupulous methods for making money.

You are fairly informed, so I'm assuming that you are well aware of the recent "molly" deaths and incidents.  The is allegedly occurring due to MDMA being misrepresented as other chemicals.  It has been suggested that much of it "molly" is potentially methylone.  If this is true, then this is one schedule I drug being represented as another schedule I drug.  Then criminalizing methylone has proven ineffective and still results in deaths.  Even if the drug in the news stories is not methylone, many can attest to the fact that this research chemical is still very much available in the United States.

As is the case for many other research chemicals- 2C-X, cathinones, etc.  They're all still here even if they've been criminalized.

But suppose that these laws do dramatically decrease the supply of 2B,C,I-NBOMe's.  What's next in the research chemical cat and mouse game that the government and the market play with one another?  Because that's what this is.  As you acknowledged, that's why the NBOMe's came into the market just three years ago. Even if they're wiped off the face of the Earth by this scheduling, which they won't be, their successors could be substances with the same risks.  Or worse.  How is this a preferable outcome?

I'm obviously for preventing deaths and negative outcomes of drug use in our society, but this reactionary approach has proven ineffective to begin with.  It's the reason why this fucking NBOMe situation exists, and I think supporting NBOMe criminalization is the emotional response.  Not the intelligent one.

Best case scenario: it's a temporary solution to a permanent problem.


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Re: Notice of Intent: Three NBOMe Compounds To Become Schedule I [Re: Society]
    #19010317 - 10/21/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good riddance.


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