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LiquidGlass
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: o8u]
#19004879 - 10/20/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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o8u said: Yes, LSD is a remarkably safe drug, exponentially safer than the RC's being peddled as alternatives, but an outrageously high dose will result in death. To say that LSD cannot kill is factually incorrect.
Yeah and an outrageously high dose of water is lethal too, is that really your only argument?
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: LiquidGlass]
#19008003 - 10/21/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The human LD50 of table salt is 200 grams, I'm guessing still more deadly than LSD.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: o8u]
#19008599 - 10/21/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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o8u said: Yes, LSD is a remarkably safe drug, exponentially safer than the RC's being peddled as alternatives, but an outrageously high dose will result in death. To say that LSD cannot kill is factually incorrect.
I assume you're correct. However, compared to most drugs, or even to many non-psychoactive substances, the discrepancy between one dose, and a fatal dose, is so massive, you'd have to deliberately overdose, or have a really stupid accident.
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o8u said: These unfortunate souls mistook crystalline LSD for coke. They wound up in comas, and would have died if not for being put on ventilators. Megadoses of LSD are without a doubt lethal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129381/
Thanks for bringing that case to my attention. Wasn't familiar with that one. Very interesting. However, the doses it took to get them to that level must have been ridiculous. From the paper:
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All eight were reported to have snorted at least two "lines" (rows of powder measuring approximately 3x4x30mm) of the second substance.
TWO (approx) 3x4x30mm lines, each!!!
That has to be way, way over even a "thumbprint."
I know it's not the most scientific thing in the world, because the density of powders can vary (not to mention that measuring out a line to those exact dimensions is a little challenging-- go ahead and try it) I decided to experiment. So I weighted out a "line" of powder of roughly those dimensions, and then threw it on my milligram scale.
92 milligrams. That's per line.
Even if we want to assume that the powder I'm using may be way more dense, and/or that I measured the lines a little too big... even if you cut that number in half-- you're still talking about a dose of LSD that is in the 90mg range, for each person.
That would be...what....360 250ug hits of acid? Or, if you go by average hits today, closer to 900 tabs?
Either way, you are talking about at least hundreds of times the fully effective dose of LSD. And with a little medical intervention, these people didn't even die. (Though by the sound of it, they very well could have, without the intervention.) Still pretty safe when compared to most drugs.
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Re: The LSD Avengers, Silk Road’s self-appointed drug inspectors, announce retirement [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19786642 - 04/02/14 10:30 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I shall miss the avengers and wish them well wherever they are. Thank for weighing that out! 900 tabs and lived..crazy. I hate to be one of those guys defending RC's and i truly will always prefer lucy but i have had some great times with 25i (minus the times i got it instead of acid). So i fully get your view the greedy souls that peddle it as LSD are casting a bad light on a already "grey" area that is RC's. Since there is a fatal dosage to pass of 25i as LSD is beyond irresponsible. If one does it correctly knowing what they are ingesting they are in for a good time. Lets all remember if LSD were discovered today it would be labeled a RC most likely. sorry to rant, I do get your point but to say it shouldn't even be around is harsh lol.
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