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OfflineDeviate
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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Yogi1]
    #19000849 - 10/19/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
Animals prefer gluttony and a quick fix... we are animals
Animals prefer an easy high over a thoughtful one... we are animals

we just crawled out the jungle bro.. :shrug:




No, wild animals are usually healthy. You cannot say they prefer gluttony. Certainly, some species of animal will overeat if presented with infinite food but I would say that is more a result of the animals instinct not being developed for an environment where food is unlimited, not a result of the animal being a "glutton". As proof, I offer the example of animal species which do have an abundance of food available to them and yet are able to regulate their own appetites.

That's why I maintain that things like gluttony are a result of an imbalance. Just as an imbalance is created when you take an animal that is used to scrounging for food and suddenly give it an infinite amount and as a result it overeats, when we humans overeat, I believe it is also the result of imbalance. For example, many people eat when they are bored or depressed. Gluttony is not the natural tendency of mentally healthy human beings. When I sit down to eat dinner, I stop after I feel satiated. Why would I want to overeat? Not to say that in the past, when I have been depressed, or out of balance in some way, I haven't tried overeating or indulging in sweets and candy to escape from it, but that is not my normal tendency. I am over 6 ft and only weigh about 155 pounds even though I have access to virtually unlimited amounts of food. How do you explain that if you think it is natural to be a glutton?


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Deviate]
    #19001459 - 10/19/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Good points.  The modern human world is a new development.  It happened in the blink of an eye when you look at the timeline of our species' progression through the ages.  We are not built to live in the world that has bloomed around us.  We may be able to adapt, or we may not.  That's just the way it goes in nature.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Deviate]
    #19001539 - 10/19/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Deviate said:

Anyway, what are you trying to say OP? Are you saying that as far as the drug world goes, psychedelics represent knowledge and light and body drugs represent darkness and ignorance? if so, I would agree. However, if you are saying that passage is speaking specifically about drugs, then I disagree. The darkness Jesus is speaking about is evildoing or denial of the truth, that we are all brothers and sisters from the same Creator. The world prefers falsehood to truth and wickedness to righteousness.




1 St. John, 2, 26:  I am writing to you in this way about those who would deceive you, but the Oil you received from him remains within you and you really need no teaching from anyone; simply remain in him, for his Oil teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie--remain in him,  as his Oil has taught you to do.

The world prefers falsehood to truth and wickedness to righteousness -- that is why they "loathe" Psychedelics -- because Psychedelics would expose their evil practices.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: endogenous]
    #19001819 - 10/19/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The reason the LSD like drugs are banned is simply an ego trip on the basis of the parable of God in the Garden of Eden. The Government wishes to replace and become God. The LSD like drugs, especially DMT are especially dangerous to the materialistic world systems. They open your eyes and allow you to know that the way you are being forced to live in fear, desiring after pure materialistic ends is a lie. They do this by giving you the knowlege that the ego self is not eternal.

Those who are in power know this truth, and to them it is a game to see how many they can get to believe the lie so they can live like kings.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Deviate]
    #19003642 - 10/20/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Deviate said:
Quote:

Yogi1 said:
Animals prefer gluttony and a quick fix... we are animals
Animals prefer an easy high over a thoughtful one... we are animals

we just crawled out the jungle bro.. :shrug:




No, wild animals are usually healthy. You cannot say they prefer gluttony. Certainly, some species of animal will overeat if presented with infinite food but I would say that is more a result of the animals instinct not being developed for an environment where food is unlimited, not a result of the animal being a "glutton". As proof, I offer the example of animal species which do have an abundance of food available to them and yet are able to regulate their own appetites.

That's why I maintain that things like gluttony are a result of an imbalance. Just as an imbalance is created when you take an animal that is used to scrounging for food and suddenly give it an infinite amount and as a result it overeats, when we humans overeat, I believe it is also the result of imbalance. For example, many people eat when they are bored or depressed. Gluttony is not the natural tendency of mentally healthy human beings. When I sit down to eat dinner, I stop after I feel satiated. Why would I want to overeat? Not to say that in the past, when I have been depressed, or out of balance in some way, I haven't tried overeating or indulging in sweets and candy to escape from it, but that is not my normal tendency. I am over 6 ft and only weigh about 155 pounds even though I have access to virtually unlimited amounts of food. How do you explain that if you think it is natural to be a glutton?




You would want to overeat until you were full because you are a hunting animal and have no idea when the next food source will be available :shrug:

It is what it is, the only magical thing about your reality is that you are finding magic in it.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: endogenous]
    #19003654 - 10/20/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:
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Deviate said:

Anyway, what are you trying to say OP? Are you saying that as far as the drug world goes, psychedelics represent knowledge and light and body drugs represent darkness and ignorance? if so, I would agree. However, if you are saying that passage is speaking specifically about drugs, then I disagree. The darkness Jesus is speaking about is evildoing or denial of the truth, that we are all brothers and sisters from the same Creator. The world prefers falsehood to truth and wickedness to righteousness.




1 St. John, 2, 26:  I am writing to you in this way about those who would deceive you, but the Oil you received from him remains within you and you really need no teaching from anyone; simply remain in him, for his Oil teaches you about everything and is true and is no lie--remain in him,  as his Oil has taught you to do.

The world prefers falsehood to truth and wickedness to righteousness -- that is why they "loathe" Psychedelics -- because Psychedelics would expose their evil practices.




Psychedelics make people empathize with others which simply isnt going to help a self perpetuating cycle of gluttony, greed, violence, and fear...


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Yogi1]
    #19007555 - 10/21/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
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Deviate said:
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Yogi1 said:
Animals prefer gluttony and a quick fix... we are animals
Animals prefer an easy high over a thoughtful one... we are animals

we just crawled out the jungle bro.. :shrug:




No, wild animals are usually healthy. You cannot say they prefer gluttony. Certainly, some species of animal will overeat if presented with infinite food but I would say that is more a result of the animals instinct not being developed for an environment where food is unlimited, not a result of the animal being a "glutton". As proof, I offer the example of animal species which do have an abundance of food available to them and yet are able to regulate their own appetites.

That's why I maintain that things like gluttony are a result of an imbalance. Just as an imbalance is created when you take an animal that is used to scrounging for food and suddenly give it an infinite amount and as a result it overeats, when we humans overeat, I believe it is also the result of imbalance. For example, many people eat when they are bored or depressed. Gluttony is not the natural tendency of mentally healthy human beings. When I sit down to eat dinner, I stop after I feel satiated. Why would I want to overeat? Not to say that in the past, when I have been depressed, or out of balance in some way, I haven't tried overeating or indulging in sweets and candy to escape from it, but that is not my normal tendency. I am over 6 ft and only weigh about 155 pounds even though I have access to virtually unlimited amounts of food. How do you explain that if you think it is natural to be a glutton?




You would want to overeat until you were full because you are a hunting animal and have no idea when the next food source will be available :shrug:

It is what it is, the only magical thing about your reality is that you are finding magic in it.




but humans don't always want to overeat, on the contrary most of us stop eating when we are full.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Deviate]
    #19007608 - 10/21/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but eating until you are full can be a case of overeating anyway its not necessary to stretch your stomach to the limits like that in order to survive.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Withinity]
    #19007852 - 10/21/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah but eating until you are full can be a case of overeating anyway its not necessary to stretch your stomach to the limits like that in order to survive.




Yeah, full being different than satisfied is important in the semantics.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Withinity]
    #19007867 - 10/21/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps I should have used the word satiated instead of full although my point stands either way. Some people may eat fewer meals stopping when they feel full, while others may eat more frequently but smaller meals. Neither group is necessarily overeating though. As I said, I am over 6 foot tall and only weight about 156 LBS. I think it's pretty obvious I am not overeating.

My point is that it is not natural for me to overeat. It's not like when I sit down to have dinner, I have to fight a battle with the temptation to overeat. No, I just eat dinner and stop eating when I feel full or satiated and I don't really need to think twice about it. That's natural.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Deviate]
    #19008048 - 10/21/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Natural for you.  Due to the circumstances of your particular life.  It's not the same for everyone.  Some find it perfectly natural to binge and then fast.  Everyone is different.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19447784 - 01/20/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm in far too much of a good mood to be posting on the shroomery. A monthly dose of opium tea seems to make me whole. Psychedelics don't do it any more. What of the many people who can't get any psychedelics?




I was wrong about the opium tea. If I use the stuff once now it gives me 2 weeks of hell. Pretty certain my recent suicidal depression, debilitating fatigue, lost wisdom and renewed enthusiasm for alcohol are the result of my planting 100 poppies last autumn.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19447817 - 01/20/14 01:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

bummer. 

I hope Kratom never turns on me like that.  I use it every freekin day.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Icelander]
    #19447895 - 01/20/14 02:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

what goes up must come down

I think I'll prepare some pillows


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"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Edited by Sse (01/20/14 02:14 PM)


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Icelander]
    #19448397 - 01/20/14 04:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

...stay off the Krokodil and you'll be fine.


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Re: The Sentence of Condemnation [Re: Icelander]
    #19463837 - 01/23/14 05:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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bummer. 

I hope Kratom never turns on me like that.  I use it every freekin day.




I've heard many people like you raving about Kratom yet I know it activates the addictive mu-opioid receptors just like heroin, oxycodone, etcetera.  Some claim it has no withdrawals but I'm skeptical.


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