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touch_of_grey
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First bulk attempt - to case or not to case?
#19007393 - 10/21/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm attempting a manure bulk grow with some supplies I purchased from out-grow.
 http://out-grow.com/bulk-discounts-c-11/4-quart-jars-of-grain-spawn-and-4-pounds-of-compost-p-52.html
They state to use a 1:1 mix ratio here... so that is what I plan to do. I was just wondering if I should place a casing layer atop the mixture? If so, 50/50? I have read so many things that now I'm a bit confused as to what to do. I've watched videos where people do/do not poke holes in the foil cover, add/do not add casing.
I guess I'd just like to know the best practice for this (if there is one).
Thanks in advance!
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PsiLisaBin
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: touch_of_grey]
#19007429 - 10/21/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know I don't have the most posts here, but I've lurked and grown for about a year......
does anyone use casing layers in tubs anymore? i honestly don't think so based on what i've read. i've never cased any of my monos and have always had good results. cubes don't need to be cased, so don't worry about it.
edit: shit my bad, you're talking about trays not tubs, so I don't know anything about trays only know about tubs
Edited by PsiLisaBin (10/21/13 08:10 AM)
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Stromrider
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: PsiLisaBin]
#19007457 - 10/21/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you are just growing regular cubes than no need to worry about a casing layer. It is said that a casing layer helps reduce mutant blobs when growing penis envy but I have no personal experience with pe
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Kiya_Star427
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: Stromrider]
#19007507 - 10/21/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank god, I was asking about this yesterday. The dude said that he didn't do shit to the substrate, no casing layer, and he had like a million new shoots and pins coming.
No casing layer = bigger yield.
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Stromrider
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: Kiya_Star427]
#19007519 - 10/21/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
No casing layer = bigger yield.
I don't think that is an accurate statement. A casing layer isn't necessary with cubes if you can maintain a proper environment but I wouldn't go as far to say that a casing layer reduces yeild
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Kiya_Star427
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: Stromrider]
#19007532 - 10/21/13 08:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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really? then why don't people do casing anymore? Casing is more time consuming too.
I'm just going off what I see, putting a casing layer, takes more time b/c if the myoc. is growing unevenly you have to put another layer over that part. Why do it in the first place?...
Edited by Kiya_Star427 (10/21/13 08:48 AM)
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Stromrider
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: Kiya_Star427]
#19007547 - 10/21/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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People don't case cubes because it just is not necessary and like you said is time consuming. A cased bulk sub also seems to take longer to pin. I doubt a casing layer reduces yields though
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AllegedCultivator
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: Kiya_Star427]
#19009546 - 10/21/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think a casing can be beneficial in certain circumstances. I did my first grow with tubs in a GH, used casing layers and got good results, did my 2nd without, and got worse results, didn't take to long to figure out that it was because I work long days and am not able to mist regularly throughout the day. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using a casing layer in a monotub grow, but if you're using a GH, and aren't able to tend to your grow for a long period of time during the day, a casing layer might be beneficial.
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touch_of_grey
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Yeah, these are Penis Envy, so maybe I should case? I didn't think that would matter, but this is my first experience with them. I'm not familiar with "mutants". LOL.
I kinda' went overboard on my tub design, but it's worth it. I made a tub with an aquarium heater (72 deg) and a bubble stone under a layer of hydroton/water. I placed a computer fan on the tub that has a timer that runs it every 3.5 hours for 10 min. I also made a humidifier out of a fogger that is connected to the tub via a 1/2" tube that runs 24/7. I made it specifically to be low-maintenance. Humidity, temp and light will not be an issue at all.
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: touch_of_grey]
#19010520 - 10/21/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would case them since they're Penis Envies imho good luck man
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Stromrider
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: The Truth Seeker]
#19010694 - 10/21/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Agreed
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poopy mcpooperson
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Re: First bulk attempt - to case or not to case? [Re: Stromrider]
#19011028 - 10/21/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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so instead of casing for cubes i would do what? just mix 50/50 verm and peat (PCed and cooled) into my 100% colonized myc for bulk? ratio? verm/peat to myc jars 1:1? i am way far away from thinking of casing because i am going to agar first. as my main source of info that i am sticking to is RRs videos and he advises to case. thanks.
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poopy mcpooperson
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well, i think i found my own answer:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17447797#17447797
so, is RRs casing tek outdated or just another way of doing things? or was it because his video isnt specific for cubes and it is necessary for many other mushroom species?
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