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Mush.Room
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Insights from my trip about work
#19007250 - 10/21/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey,
I'm on a mushroom trip right now and I just had some thouhgts about work that I feel I need to note down. I don't know if this will make any sense to me or to anyone else when 'sober', but I just feel like speaking my mind about it. I think work is something that can be very healing but also can be very destroying, depending on the energy/intention it carries with it. If you are forced to work, it can be very torturing(think about the black slaves that were brought to America or about the Nazi death camps). On the other hand, you can do work to create/build something great. You can either create something great for yourself(for example doing self-employed work) so you have a great source of joy and also a secure financial income for yourself. You can also do work for someone else who you love, this can just be some everyday work that needs to be done, but doing it will make the day easier for someone who won't need to do it because you did it. And it will give yourself the good feeling to have done something good, or to have helped someone. I think I came to these thoughts because I skipped work today to go on a trip. (I don't really like my job because at my job I only work to make already rich people even richer. Also, some of the persons involved in my job have some sort of negative energy to them(they just have a too negative thinking about things and tend to transfer their negative to sensitive/vulnerable persons, like me). On the other hand, there are also great people at my job who I really like. They are the ones who make me endure this until I will be self-employed, which is my final goal. After having written down this, I feel better now and I think I will be able to work again for the next 4 days until I go to my vacation that I'm looking forward to.
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Mush.Room
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007257 - 10/21/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some more notes about my notes :P :
I don't think any of the people who I have to do with at work really have bad intentions, but some of them just tend to unintentionally hurt other people because they are kinda insensitive.
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Mush.Room
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007288 - 10/21/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some additional info about all this:
I'm still living with my parents and they don't know yet about my goal of doing self-employed work. Somehow I will need to find a way to break it to them. Do you think I could just show them these posts(translated, since they don't speak english very well) or would that be a bad idea?
Some info about them so you can get a better picture of the whole situation:
My mother is open-minded enough for the idea of me doing self-employed work, however she is a very fearful person and will have some fear about it not working and about me ending up on the street. She will probably insist on me doing regular employed work for some years before diving into self-employedness.
My father is less open-minded. He is generally a well-meaning person but he can be very stiffened/mentally unflexible about things. He can be extremely confident in his own ideas while not understanding what others want to tell him. It is very hard for him to think clearly. This is not completely an attribute/quality of his own but also comes from him being an alcoholic. The alcohol has changed him to the worse in many regards.
Edited by Mush.Room (10/21/13 06:52 AM)
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Mush.Room
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007311 - 10/21/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And even more information:
I'm doing an apprenticeship right now which will end August next year. So I will need to decide what I want to do afterwards.
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Mush.Room
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007355 - 10/21/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some more things that are in my mind since years(literally) but that I never managed to break to my parents(or anyone I'm involved with):
I want to, sooner or later, leave my country(Germany) and go to another, more liberal, place. According to various data/studies, and also to my own feelings and thoughts, this is a place that, while doing pretty good economically, is not really the best place for people to live. I think that here the well-being of the economy still gets weighed more then the well-being of humans and their feelings. Also, it really is a far too conservative country. Some of the places I do consider to live in in the future are the Netherlands and Denmark. The Netherlands, specifically Amsterdam, will also be the place of my next vacation. I will do my vacation there for two reasons:
1. To get away from work and from my usual surroundings for some time. Basically just the reason why most people go on vacation. 2. Because I want to get to know the country better, so I can see if this really is the place I would like to live in the future.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007358 - 10/21/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do in life what you think is right, not what other people expect you to do.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Sanpedrox]
#19007463 - 10/21/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol, you had an epiphany about something im pretty shure most everyone already came to that conclusion.
work sucks, but to fit in society youll need valueless currency to conform.
there's always cults and hippie communities, they still require work though.
I think most everyone aspires to be a business owner of some type, making money for people that dont even respect you is what gets me there most.
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Mush.Room
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Sanpedrox]
#19007485 - 10/21/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sanpedrox said: Do in life what you think is right, not what other people expect you to do.
I know and I will do that. But since I'm living with my parents, they will, sooner or later, know what I'm doing. And I feel it would be the better way to tell them beforehand and not just let them wonder what's going on afterwards.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Sanpedrox]
#19007497 - 10/21/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here are my thoughts on work:
Some people think that the only purpose of work, or a job, is to earn money and pay bills. But that's only part of it. Equally important is the sense of accomplishment. To have a healthy state of mind you need to work. That give-and-take of putting out, finishing up, earning that pay and getting compensated, is essential. And it has to be on an on-going basis. Otherwise you're asking for depression because of an unavoidable feeling of uselessness.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007529 - 10/21/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007583 - 10/21/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mush.Room said:
If you are forced to work, it can be very torturing(think about the black slaves that were brought to America or about the Nazi death camps).
haha I love people's first thought about enslavement or genocide always coincides with only whats generally taught in public schooling. You never hear about how America was built on the genocide and enslavement of the natives. They're literally wiped out to the point our people think not much of it. Whata brilliant success that was when you think of it.
One of the only genocides you never hear about or even if you do its almost thought of as necessary.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: bishlap]
#19007679 - 10/21/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bishlap said: lol, you had an epiphany about something im pretty shure most everyone already came to that conclusion.
It comes when it comes, right? You make it sound like the OP is way behind the curve, like he missed the boat. Hardly! Sure, plenty of people come to this conclusion ... and then ignore the realization, go right back to doing everything the old way, expect different results, and get pissed when they don't materialize. Rinse and repeat.
OP, you sound relatively young -- 20s maybe? If so, then I'm roughly twice your age. Not that age is significant of anything other than the fact that I've probably been through this (pretty tough) stage and learned some lessons that I wish I had known going in.
When I was trying to sort this all out in my early-20s, I had a whole bunch of dreams. I wanted to be a Philosophy professor or a musician or a recording engineer or some kind of activist. And I actually had the background and experience to do one or more of those things. Obviously, my interests were a little off the beaten path, hardly conducive to a stable life ... so I worried a lot about financial security. Mostly, I worried about disappointing my parents who had paid a fortune for my education up to that point. So, I packed up my dreams into a box, sealed it, and started studying law. This was the safe approach, which satisfied my parents and my first wife and society at large. But, I was miserable -- right from the beginning. And even though I moved into a position of relatively high financial security, I knew that I had crossed a line and was no longer chasing any kind of dream -- I was chasing money. Nothing more.
Fifteen years in, I quit. I said "fuck it" and chucked it all. In a day, my entire life changed. I started earning (and still earn) less than 10% of my former salary. I don't get a big annual bonus ... LOL! I lost my house and my apartment, three cars, and a boat. And marriage? Forget it ... marriages built on those kinds of foundations can't last. I'm currently teetering on bankruptcy. But, I'm now back on track working toward another advanced degree -- this time in a field that I genuinely love. I'm playing and recording music at a pretty high level at least a couple days a week. And my personal relationships -- INCLUDING WITH MY PARENTS -- are infinitely better than they were during that shameful money-lusting period. In short, I'm a total failure now (LOL!) and I'm hundreds of times happier than I've ever been. I wouldn't trade this life for my old situation for *any* amount of money. I just wouldn't do it. What it comes down to is that I can't afford to sell off any more of my life. It's just too short and too precious.
(Listen, I'm sorry to take your question and seemingly turn it into "all about me." I just don't know how else to approach it other than to relate personal experience. I hope you understand.)
Anyway, here's the lesson: a happy life is REALLY valuable. Don't find one like I did ... don't spend twenty years figuring out something you already know. Be brutally honest with yourself and your parents and don't take bullshit for an answer. You already sense that chasing money leads to a hollow and meaningless existence. Take it from someone who did that: it does. Chase your dreams. There's absolutely nothing foolish about that. From where I stand, it actually seems like the only reasonable thing to do -- no matter what the financial risk. Find something you love doing, and keep asking yourself, over and over, "what's the worst that could happen?"
You also can't plan it all out from the outset. Things will twist and turn in all kinds of unforeseen but interesting ways ... and you have to react to this shifting landscape in order to make it work. You can totally do that ... just learn to improvise. This may not be the best way to satisfy a close-minded and alcoholic dad. But, in the end, who are you here to satisfy? (I know! In a very weird way, it's actually tough to come to grips with the fact that making other people proud of us -- maybe especially our parents -- doesn't have much to do with leading a purposeful life.)
If your inclination is to head to Amsterdam, then why not make that your goal? It's a beautiful city, so why not? You could finish your apprenticeship over the next year or so, save some money, and be ready to go with some skills and some funds. I'm sure that with the right attitude -- happy and open and receptive and eager -- you can have a beautiful experience there. And then you'll move on to the next beautiful experience, and the next one... The one certain way to ensure that you'll never taste those experiences, though, is to hold back and play it conservatively for fear of financial insecurity (which doesn't even exist ... but that's another thread, another post).
Good luck to you.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19007767 - 10/21/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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@Gratuitous Grace:
Many Thanks for your input. It was very helpful to read. Oh and btw, you're right about my age. I'm 19 to be exactly.
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Re: Insights from my trip about work [Re: Mush.Room]
#19008337 - 10/21/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool thread. Feeling genuinely useful is paramount imo. I don't work atm but I help local musicians record their tracks / edit videos etc with the skills I have developed over the years. From my experience, people will love you for what you can do for them. My brother recently quit his job after he got sick of contributing to a pyramid scheme. Morals can drive a person, let's just say he didn't last long. May you continually gravitate towards positive people in your life and build abundance in everything. It's more than likely there are people who share the same vision as you.
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