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broke open head
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id request for gymnopolis
#19006216 - 10/20/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat: Wood chips
Gills: orange. yellow when young
Stem: orange and tan with some off white. orange annulus
Cap: hemispheric to convex with age
Spore print color: orange
Bruising:green
Location: greater seattle area
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Gravija
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Yes, it's a psychoactive Gymnopilus. Macroscopically, It fits my concept of G. luteofolius.
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broke open head
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Gravija]
#19006345 - 10/20/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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weird I found some of those about a week ago at a different spot. They were rather immature so I didn't realize these were the same. awesome! thanks.
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bloodworm
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Gravija]
#19007492 - 10/21/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Yes, it's a psychoactive Gymnopilus. Macroscopically, It fits my concept of G. luteofolius.
they look like aeruginosus to me.
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canid
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: bloodworm]
#19007664 - 10/21/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've always had trouble discerning those two. The rule I was taught -by Mr. Mushrooms I think- was to cut immature specimens and examine the context of cap. If the reddish, vinaceous or purple color extends through the context, and not only the area immediately adjacent the cuticle, it's not G. aeruginosus.
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Gravija
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: bloodworm]
#19007687 - 10/21/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bloodworm said:
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Gravija said: Yes, it's a psychoactive Gymnopilus. Macroscopically, It fits my concept of G. luteofolius.
they look like aeruginosus to me.
I knew you'd say that. I still don't see it, but I'd like to hear what makes you think so.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Gravija]
#19007932 - 10/21/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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G. luteofolius is a less robust species that fades to yellow... the species of luteofolius i am convinced of... do not EVER stain green on the pileus. there might be a slight green hue..."which i think Hesler meant when he said 'olive.'"
these mushrooms are staining blue on the pileus and developing a blackish, scaly appearance...
which, to me, according the original descriptions of each species... are the most important distinguishing differences macroscopically.
i could be very wrong though...
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Gravija
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: bloodworm]
#19008515 - 10/21/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's food for thought. You are right about the lack of staining in the description. Weird that I took that for granted, the power of reinforcement I guess. Still, most of your observations of aeruginosus are pretty different from this species, that's where my hang up is.
Canid- the pileal context in luteofolius fades to yellow. It's unclear if that happens before or after the cutis fades to yellow. If Bloodworm is right, and he makes a strong case, luteofolius doesn't bruise.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: bloodworm]
#19008607 - 10/21/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have usually seen G. luteofolius stain in the pileus. It happens consistently.
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Edited by canid (10/21/13 01:53 PM)
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: canid]
#19008736 - 10/21/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell, it may be possible we're getting similar norcal Gyms lumped into the two taxa, but we have what I and others have long taken for G. luteofolius and G. aeruginosus here and I've collected them both.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: canid]
#19009096 - 10/21/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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lutes staining http://mushroomobserver.org/145390?q=1ZpXU
this is my luteo log, difinately lutes, the fifteen fruitings i have had are all way off for aeruginosus besides this last obs of it, but yes. Im taking a look at both my collections tonight or tomorrow,
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Gravija
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: canid]
#19009097 - 10/21/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like that may be the case. Now that the season is steaming up for west coasters, we really need to be active about begging for specimens to get down to Bloodworm. I know we can rely on a lot of the folks here in providing a diverse collection representing two or more taxa in the aeruginosus group.
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Gravija
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Gravija]
#19009106 - 10/21/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Did you confirm that one with microscopy joust?
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Gravija]
#19009115 - 10/21/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Did you confirm that one with microscopy joust?
not yet, no one has shared micro info with me yet, i did get a little hint from blood, but im waiting for L. Guzman to email me back from this morning.
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Joust]
#19010278 - 10/21/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have a hard time believing the two species are not actually the same species. Is one considered more potent?
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bloodworm
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Re: id request for gymnopolis [Re: Gravija]
#19019121 - 10/23/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gravija said: Still, most of your observations of aeruginosus are pretty different from this species, that's where my hang up is.
i think my observations of G. aeruginosus are extremely close to this.
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