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OfflineFree.Your.Mind
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if the drug war ended
    #19006170 - 10/20/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

prohibition doesnt work for shit

so lets say the government decides to decriminalize everything

what kind of regulations do you think would need to be in place

how are we to handle hard drugs like coke, meth and heroin

or use of psychedelics




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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006189 - 10/20/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I see no point in hypothesizing the methods of an absolutely impossible event ( in the U.S)

So I will just say meh. Topic pisses me off.

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #19006207 - 10/20/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Demonic_Chronic said:
I see no point in hypothesizing the methods of an absolutely impossible event ( in the U.S)

So I will just say meh. Topic pisses me off.

DC




it is just a hypothetical situation

i ponder on this topic at times


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006348 - 10/20/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think within a few years of decriminalizing everything weed will be more commonly used than alcohol.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mantirot]
    #19006577 - 10/20/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If the system was dropped people would take drugs as they pleased, all the meth heads would eventually die out. Its called evolution let humans be humans.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19006583 - 10/20/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If the system was dropped people would take drugs as they pleased, all the meth heads would eventually die out. Its called evolution let humans be humans.




we cant just outright legalize

we need a system of regulation in place


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19006585 - 10/20/13 11:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Legend]
    #19006601 - 10/21/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.




meth, heroin, and coke?

what of over users that would steal for their addiction?

maybe set limit of how much can be purchased?

a database type system


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006609 - 10/21/13 12:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.




meth, heroin, and coke?

what of over users that would steal for their addiction?

maybe set limit of how much can be purchased?

a database type system



A alcohol is more addictive than any of those
B prices would lower drastically so people don't need to steal
C I think they should be regulated like alcohol


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 1
    #19006611 - 10/21/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If the system was dropped people would take drugs as they pleased, all the meth heads would eventually die out. Its called evolution let humans be humans.




we cant just outright legalize

we need a system of regulation in place




If you decriminalize drugs, the dealers still get fucked in the end. Sure, you can possess drugs for personal use, but how did you get them in the first place? From a dealer! That dealer is your friend who decided to sell weed on the side and make some money, but now will be facing possibly time in jail for trafficking, EVEN with decriminalization.

I use meth fairly often. If you look at me, you would not be able to see that I'm a tweaker. I come from a nice background, got accepted into two universities, and am not a bad person. I believe I should be able to buy my speed in a store if I am 21 years old, use it at home like I would anyways, and not have to worry about it's purity or cuts that will eventually end up in my system. I think any heroin user should be able to do a shot and not worry that the current batch is stronger then the last, which will result in death.

I don't give a fuck if you think marijuana is safe and some other drug isn't so marijuana can be legal. There are plenty of things that can be used and abused, but ultimately every drug is a tool. People use tools in different ways, and if they get in trouble with the law on drugs then they deserve to go to jail. If they mind their own business who the fuck cares what other people do with their bodies. Why is everybody so fixated on this. So yeah, fuck decriminalization, it's still the same game with street dealers and buyers. I thought we were trying to move away from that.

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind] * 3
    #19006626 - 10/21/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legend said:
I think it should be dealt with as alcohol, tobacco, and OTC drugs are.




meth, heroin, and coke?

what of over users that would steal for their addiction?

maybe set limit of how much can be purchased?

a database type system




hard drugs don't make you steal. not having money to support a habit does.

no one should be able to tell me how much i can buy.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006870 - 10/21/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I support the legalization of all drugs because every time I ask someone "would you smoke crack if it were legal?" they all say no. Everyone. No one is sitting there waiting for legal crack. In fact I can get crack delivered 24 hours a day, the beer store is not open all night.
I would make the junkies take a one day class on safer use but then buy all the heroin you want. Cocaine, speed, PCP, LSD, MDMA, mushrooms, Ketamine, GHB, DMT and pretty well all the RC's I would sell in your regular liquor store to adults. Why should someone tell me what I can put in my body?
Pretty well every drug is safer than booze and cigs if they are of known dosage and purity. Or huffing glue, that's not banned and that's the worst way you could get high. Too bad my LSD didn't have industrial applications.
The laws now aren't based on common sense just hysteria and ignorance.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19006948 - 10/21/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The only regulations I see fit are regarding taxation, purity, and manufacturing facility inspections for shit like health code violations.  If someone wants to manufacture a drug, they can do so for personal consumption but require permits to distribute it.  Maybe requiring special permits and certifications to manufacture certain substances but those permits should be easy enough to get if you can pass a standardized test or something.  And all those permits and certs should be federal not local so some jurisdictions against the whole thing can't just deny everyone.
Focus on education, harm reduction, and rehabilitation instead of enforcing draconian laws that's ultimately the government telling me what I can and can't put in my body.  Which is bullshit.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19006994 - 10/21/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

society would fall apart, people would not handle themselves with that lack of control.  Humans are selfish anyways, imagine a free for all with no consequences.  Everyone would act on their own free will with no regard for anything.  Might as well start raping people too,  PPL=SHT and do whatever feels good at the time.  Population would increase with addict born children and retards.  Euthanasia should be legalized as well.

I vote yes.  I'd be high and drunk as hell and carrying loaded weapons. I'd probably just shoot people for shock value.  Sounds like fun huh.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19006996 - 10/21/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

what was that movie I think it was Route 61 or someshit where the dude finds a mother who's kid has run away to a town where the council/police give out this really addictive drug like E or something and all the kids who take it are sort enslaved to the town doing like rubbish picking and shit like that in exchange for the drugs so they can party

cant remember what the movie  was caled but it was good

i think we should have concentration camps set up with gas chambers that just pump condensed meth smoke into them and huddle up all the smackies into working gangs to mine for coal and reward t hem with fixes of krokodil


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19007008 - 10/21/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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society would fall apart, people would not handle themselves with that lack of control.  Humans are selfish anyways, imagine a free for all with no consequences.  Everyone would act on their own free will with no regard for anything.  Might as well start raping people too,  PPL=SHT and do whatever feels good at the time.  Population would increase with addict born children and retards.  Euthanasia should be legalized as well.

I vote yes.  I'd be high and drunk as hell and carrying loaded weapons. I'd probably just shoot people for shock value.  Sounds like fun huh.




:lolwut:

I think the opposite of what you said would happen.
Society would improve in every way, billions would be saved, tax revenues would be increased, overdoses would become less common, millions of people would be saved from unnecessarily being drug through the prison system for victimless "crimes". All that money saved could go towards rehabilitation instead of making criminals out of people. Purity of drugs would be more tightly controlled, and cartels would be completely crippled because their trade would become powerless. The war on drugs does absolutely nothing but hurt society.

What you choose to put in your own body is no one else's concern.
Drug addiction should be treated as a HEALTH issue not a CRIMINAL one.

When you choose to HURT OTHER PEOPLE then that becomes a criminal issue
Comparing drug use to Murder and rape :nonono: :mad2:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Shroomism]
    #19007033 - 10/21/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: indica]
    #19007036 - 10/21/13 03:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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what was that movie I think it was Route 61 or someshit where the dude finds a mother who's kid has run away to a town where the council/police give out this really addictive drug like E or something and all the kids who take it are sort enslaved to the town doing like rubbish picking and shit like that in exchange for the drugs so they can party

cant remember what the movie  was caled but it was good

i think we should have concentration camps set up with gas chambers that just pump condensed meth smoke into them and huddle up all the smackies into working gangs to mine for coal and reward t hem with fixes of krokodil




this has been the only clearheaded approach in this thread


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19007214 - 10/21/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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indica said:
what was that movie I think it was Route 61 or someshit where the dude finds a mother who's kid has run away to a town where the council/police give out this really addictive drug like E or something and all the kids who take it are sort enslaved to the town doing like rubbish picking and shit like that in exchange for the drugs so they can party

cant remember what the movie  was caled but it was good

i think we should have concentration camps set up with gas chambers that just pump condensed meth smoke into them and huddle up all the smackies into working gangs to mine for coal and reward t hem with fixes of krokodil




this has been the only clearheaded approach in this thread





:lol:


Remember people, the more of us that die, the better off this worlds gonna be. Population control is important, so therefore if the drugs are illegal people are dieing the populations going down, less damage will be caused by less population destroying the world. Same goes for smoking, the smokers are actually causing less health bills since they die younger and avoid te further medical bills a non smoker does in their extended life time

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19007268 - 10/21/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i actually think the pharmaceutical/mental health system would make bank

with an increase number of users seeking help, would get put into rehabs/mental health institutions and put on anti-psyches

plus i wonder how many people that want to turn them self in to get clean, but fear, stigma from society, and or law prosecution


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mantirot]
    #19007275 - 10/21/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i think within a few years of decriminalizing everything weed will be more commonly used than alcohol.



I dunno. I'd like to see that because that would make for a much more peaceful and humble society, but the fact that alcohol is addictive, and also the fact that alcohol is such an effective social lubricant means that it will remain top dog at least until there is a collective change in consciousness.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19007880 - 10/21/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The netherlands have much more lax laws put in place.  They also seem to have far less problems with use and abuse.  Being a slave to an addiction helps no one by placing them in correctional facilities.  Education and rehabilitation should be encouraged and regulated for non-violent drug offenders.
I do not support the use of cocaine,meth, and heroin and see fit they be treated as I stated above. 
Substances that have far less potential for abuse like psychedelics and weed should be legal in my opinion.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19008105 - 10/21/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way




You are making the false assumption that drug abuse would increase if made legal, what evidence do you have to support this idea?


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: qman]
    #19008119 - 10/21/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just enable open markets in certain areas for harder drugs, make it a gun/knife free zone that is well policed.
Competition will drive the prices down, but i'm not certain purity will change. That is still an end to the enforcement of the drug war though.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19011805 - 10/22/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way




wtf r you saying
the revenue in enforcing the drug war itself has zero benefits
it has never been able to slow down the drug flow into the country
it has only increased the number of americans who are considered felons if caught with drugs

harm is the only output for this war


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19011817 - 10/22/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The only regulations I see fit are regarding taxation, purity, and manufacturing facility inspections for shit like health code violations.  If someone wants to manufacture a drug, they can do so for personal consumption but require permits to distribute it.  Maybe requiring special permits and certifications to manufacture certain substances but those permits should be easy enough to get if you can pass a standardized test or something.  And all those permits and certs should be federal not local so some jurisdictions against the whole thing can't just deny everyone.
Focus on education, harm reduction, and rehabilitation instead of enforcing draconian laws that's ultimately the government telling me what I can and can't put in my body.  Which is bullshit.




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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19011838 - 10/22/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way




really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a worse place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would still be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to only to rehabiltation.  The benefits would greatly outweigh any costs that health care would create.  Drug and alcohol use affects just about every single family, because they're not involved in criminal behavior it means that theres less social stigma and legal problems and it makes the dynamic much better. 

Quality of life would increase for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011845 - 10/22/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are we talking about decriminalising, or legalising said substances?  Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal. Imagine heroin or opioids being available.. But I'm sure we are talking about decriminalizing yes? That would be good, just regulating the addicts medication so it's safe and all. And providing more programs where the medication is slowly reduced to wean the addicts off, if they can't comply to regulations or something similar


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky] * 2
    #19011883 - 10/22/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19011897 - 10/22/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.




its stupid as fuck because you would think this country would of learned from that experience

but yet we felt back to square one

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011906 - 10/22/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.




its stupid as fuck because you would think this country would of learned from that experience

but yet we felt back to square one

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    #19011909 - 10/22/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.





You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.

I know where you're comming from though, loading up a docco's about the moonshine era :wink: educate myself abit more on the subject


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19011938 - 10/22/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.





You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.

I know where you're comming from though, loading up a docco's about the moonshine era :wink: educate myself abit more on the subject



People would use drugs at almost exactly the same percent they do now, just like in prohibition almost as many people used alcohol as when there was no prohibition


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    #19011955 - 10/22/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.





dude alcohol is the poses the most danger out of them all and its the only legal one

they are not illegal because of danger



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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011971 - 10/22/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.





dude alcohol is the poses the most danger out of them all and its the only legal one

they are not illegal because of danger



this thread is making me
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I know this. It would be a lot better if it was cannabis instead of the alcohol, I understand all this. I'm just speaking my mind.



There are drugs more dangerous then others, this I also know.


Imagine that though, alcohol is gone and cannabis is legal and available everywhere. Would be a whole better world :smile:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011972 - 10/22/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anything that comes from a plant doesn't need to be regulated.

Ingredients? Need no regulation. Purer drugs for all.

Stores? That's fine. Keep drugs out of the supermarket.

What adults put into their own bodies with responsibility not regulated

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Konyap]
    #19011978 - 10/22/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anything that comes from a plant doesn't need to be regulated.

Ingredients? Need no regulation. Purer drugs for all.




False, you don't want to get salmonella from your weed now, do you?


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    #19011983 - 10/22/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anything that comes from a plant doesn't need to be regulated.

Ingredients? Need no regulation. Purer drugs for all.




False, you don't want to get salmonella from your weed now, do you?




anything you put in your body should be regulated by some extent


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011988 - 10/22/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think all drugs should be legal, to ages 18+ and sols in designated shops. And a certain percent of the taxes should be put toward treatment programs. No limits on quantity posession, and quality shouldn't be limited but upheld to the highest standards. The government should view addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one.

The money saved from law enforcement, and the cost of prisons would be insane. And to gain tax money from that as well as creating a huge job market.

Crime rates would plummet, less violence because of the lack of a drug related blackmarket. Less unemployment since the amount of felons would drop.

Honestly I see nothing but positive coming from it.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19011994 - 10/22/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see health care cost going up at all with the legalization of cocaine and heroin:lol:


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    #19012012 - 10/22/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Konyap]
    #19012013 - 10/22/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see health care cost going up at all with the legalization of cocaine and heroin:lol:



Considering use wouldn't go up, neither do I


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19012041 - 10/22/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't see health care cost going up at all with the legalization of cocaine and heroin:lol:



?

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So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?



Strict control is just going to keep the blackmarket and solve nothing. And those drugs are readily available, it takes 1 phone call and I can have any of those drugs delivered to me within 30 min. And not only that, with the black market those drugs are more available to kids. Drug dealers don't give a fuck how old you are. Drugs are much easier for me to get than alcohol and always have been.


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    #19012051 - 10/22/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Very very good point. :thumbup:


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    #19012063 - 10/22/13 03:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

>what kind of regulations do you think would need to be in place

none. The less the better. Regulation is nothing more than a way to make the rich richer.

>how are we to handle hard drugs like coke, meth and heroin

Handle?

>or use of psychedelics

same we we already use them.


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    #19012437 - 10/22/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?




"available to the public"

It's already available, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could get some of those drugs by today.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19012443 - 10/22/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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prohibition doesnt work for shit

so lets say the government decides to decriminalize everything






decriminalization is still prohibition only instead of jail they confiscate the
drugs and give you a fine, habitual violators would still be subject to jail


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    #19012453 - 10/22/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?




"available to the public"

It's already available, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could get some of those drugs by today.






That's because you're already in the drug game and have know-how. I bet if you ask an non drug user
All they would say is 'down the Bronx'

It all comes with risk and when you make it legal the criminal risk goes away, therefore, much more readily available. Not many people are gon' walk down the Bronx because they have a curiosity to do something 'mind ultering', expesially if it's their first time.


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    #19012464 - 10/22/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What's the problem again?  So people might want to try drugs.  I think I can understand the urge? :lol:


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Locky said:
So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?




"available to the public"

It's already available, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could get some of those drugs by today.






That's because you're already in the drug game and have know-how. I bet if you ask an non drug user
All they would say is 'down the Bronx'

It all comes with risk and when you make it legal the criminal risk goes away, therefore, much more readily available. Not many people are gon' walk down the Bronx because they have a curiosity to do something 'mind ultering', expesially if it's their first time.




You are assuming that drug abuse increases if the substances are decriminalized, there is no evidence to support this claim, it's pure speculation and nothing more.


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    #19012567 - 10/22/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are we talking about decriminalising, or legalising said substances?  Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




The answer to that problem is education, not legal penalties for possessing forbidden substances. I'm pretty sure that most alcohol users are not actually under the impression that it carries no health risks whatsoever though.

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Imagine heroin or opioids being available..



Opioids are already very widely available, there are factories cranking them out to be passed out by ineffectual doctors and redistributed by enterprising patients. Pharma drugs have the benefit of standardized dosage, which reduces the chance of accidental overdose.

Standardization has had the same benefits with alcohol. If you have no real way of knowing if the liquor you're drinking is 40% or 80%, the chances of fatally overdosing if you go on a binge are increased. Adulteration with things like methanol is also unheard of today. Obviously people still can and do overdose fatally on alcohol, but generally speaking they are aware of this danger and have chosen to take the risk anyway.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: psi]
    #19012858 - 10/22/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

alcohol should never be illegle, its too easy to make, even if they stopped selling brewing yeast, people would use bread yeast

it can be distilled relatively safely with almost no knowledge with a wok still

but it seems that people build other stills, which are a bit more complicated, and more room for something to go wrong just because they read about it and dont really know what they are doing

the stats are probaly because it is legal, is still more dangerous , but if other stuff was legal i think that chart would be a little more even

dont think its people only drink booze because of its "safe" tag from government, people might stay away just because of the legal ramifications

if other drugs were legal, it would be easier for people with addiction to seek help, they government would put money into programs for it, less stigma from afraid of being seen walking out of a N.A. or similar meeting

there are all sorts of programs for alcohol and cigarettes around here, because they are legal


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    #19013619 - 10/22/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it such a big deal to legalize cocaine, meth, and heroin? I have done the first two and am not a bad person so fuck off to whoever takes away freedoms for this bullshit. Wanna know something really fucking funny you prohibitionists. I was in jail two months ago. The most innocent, loving person I knew had already been there sixth months for selling two ounces of WEED to an undercover cop, then breached after his release by drinking after curfew. He is still awaiting trial.

If they were sold, they would be sold in a VERY strict way. I believe you should be required to take about a week of classes on drugs, addictions, rehabilitations. You cannot have any serious criminal history involving violence, THEFT, or anything else that might be of concern when purchasing these drugs. Despite all this, I am sure that certain people will buy the drugs and spread them with their friends. But who gives a flying fuck. New ideas come from drugs. New ideas are what allow people to make change. Imagine if everyone started taking mushrooms, because they were available and packaged properly, and were to afraid to try harder drugs which I sometimes enjoy. The new art, creativity, and everything that comes along with these trips could bring on a new era of good music, food, and culture.

I hate modern day hippies and stoners, I think they suck. But if you have less stoners looking down on other drug users for their plant of choice, and having a stronger sense of acceptance for all, we really would be accomplishing a lot.

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I hate modern day hippies and stoners, I think they suck. But if you have less stoners looking down on other drug users for their plant of choice, and having a stronger sense of acceptance for all, we really would be accomplishing a lot.

FUCK THE HATERS SMOKE DA GANJA




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