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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Konyap]
    #19012012 - 10/22/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Konyap]
    #19012013 - 10/22/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
I don't see health care cost going up at all with the legalization of cocaine and heroin:lol:



Considering use wouldn't go up, neither do I


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19012041 - 10/22/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
I don't see health care cost going up at all with the legalization of cocaine and heroin:lol:



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Locky said:
So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?



Strict control is just going to keep the blackmarket and solve nothing. And those drugs are readily available, it takes 1 phone call and I can have any of those drugs delivered to me within 30 min. And not only that, with the black market those drugs are more available to kids. Drug dealers don't give a fuck how old you are. Drugs are much easier for me to get than alcohol and always have been.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19012051 - 10/22/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Very very good point. :thumbup:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19012063 - 10/22/13 03:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

>what kind of regulations do you think would need to be in place

none. The less the better. Regulation is nothing more than a way to make the rich richer.

>how are we to handle hard drugs like coke, meth and heroin

Handle?

>or use of psychedelics

same we we already use them.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19012437 - 10/22/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?




"available to the public"

It's already available, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could get some of those drugs by today.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19012443 - 10/22/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Free.Your.Mind said:
prohibition doesnt work for shit

so lets say the government decides to decriminalize everything






decriminalization is still prohibition only instead of jail they confiscate the
drugs and give you a fine, habitual violators would still be subject to jail


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: qman]
    #19012453 - 10/22/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?




"available to the public"

It's already available, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could get some of those drugs by today.






That's because you're already in the drug game and have know-how. I bet if you ask an non drug user
All they would say is 'down the Bronx'

It all comes with risk and when you make it legal the criminal risk goes away, therefore, much more readily available. Not many people are gon' walk down the Bronx because they have a curiosity to do something 'mind ultering', expesially if it's their first time.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19012464 - 10/22/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What's the problem again?  So people might want to try drugs.  I think I can understand the urge? :lol:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19012467 - 10/22/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
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qman said:
Quote:

Locky said:
So you honestly think heroin and methamphetamine, cocaine, And the such should be readily available to the public like its harmless? Nah I don't think that would go well, seriously?


In a controlled very strict manner, where it takes effort to get it, lots of effort and forms of details you must fill, then yeah, but not openly available?




"available to the public"

It's already available, I'm sure if I put my mind to it, I could get some of those drugs by today.






That's because you're already in the drug game and have know-how. I bet if you ask an non drug user
All they would say is 'down the Bronx'

It all comes with risk and when you make it legal the criminal risk goes away, therefore, much more readily available. Not many people are gon' walk down the Bronx because they have a curiosity to do something 'mind ultering', expesially if it's their first time.




You are assuming that drug abuse increases if the substances are decriminalized, there is no evidence to support this claim, it's pure speculation and nothing more.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19012567 - 10/22/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
Are we talking about decriminalising, or legalising said substances?  Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




The answer to that problem is education, not legal penalties for possessing forbidden substances. I'm pretty sure that most alcohol users are not actually under the impression that it carries no health risks whatsoever though.

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Imagine heroin or opioids being available..



Opioids are already very widely available, there are factories cranking them out to be passed out by ineffectual doctors and redistributed by enterprising patients. Pharma drugs have the benefit of standardized dosage, which reduces the chance of accidental overdose.

Standardization has had the same benefits with alcohol. If you have no real way of knowing if the liquor you're drinking is 40% or 80%, the chances of fatally overdosing if you go on a binge are increased. Adulteration with things like methanol is also unheard of today. Obviously people still can and do overdose fatally on alcohol, but generally speaking they are aware of this danger and have chosen to take the risk anyway.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: psi]
    #19012858 - 10/22/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

alcohol should never be illegle, its too easy to make, even if they stopped selling brewing yeast, people would use bread yeast

it can be distilled relatively safely with almost no knowledge with a wok still

but it seems that people build other stills, which are a bit more complicated, and more room for something to go wrong just because they read about it and dont really know what they are doing

the stats are probaly because it is legal, is still more dangerous , but if other stuff was legal i think that chart would be a little more even

dont think its people only drink booze because of its "safe" tag from government, people might stay away just because of the legal ramifications

if other drugs were legal, it would be easier for people with addiction to seek help, they government would put money into programs for it, less stigma from afraid of being seen walking out of a N.A. or similar meeting

there are all sorts of programs for alcohol and cigarettes around here, because they are legal


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19013619 - 10/22/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why is it such a big deal to legalize cocaine, meth, and heroin? I have done the first two and am not a bad person so fuck off to whoever takes away freedoms for this bullshit. Wanna know something really fucking funny you prohibitionists. I was in jail two months ago. The most innocent, loving person I knew had already been there sixth months for selling two ounces of WEED to an undercover cop, then breached after his release by drinking after curfew. He is still awaiting trial.

If they were sold, they would be sold in a VERY strict way. I believe you should be required to take about a week of classes on drugs, addictions, rehabilitations. You cannot have any serious criminal history involving violence, THEFT, or anything else that might be of concern when purchasing these drugs. Despite all this, I am sure that certain people will buy the drugs and spread them with their friends. But who gives a flying fuck. New ideas come from drugs. New ideas are what allow people to make change. Imagine if everyone started taking mushrooms, because they were available and packaged properly, and were to afraid to try harder drugs which I sometimes enjoy. The new art, creativity, and everything that comes along with these trips could bring on a new era of good music, food, and culture.

I hate modern day hippies and stoners, I think they suck. But if you have less stoners looking down on other drug users for their plant of choice, and having a stronger sense of acceptance for all, we really would be accomplishing a lot.

FUCK THE HATERS SMOKE DA GANJA


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    #19013924 - 10/22/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate modern day hippies and stoners, I think they suck. But if you have less stoners looking down on other drug users for their plant of choice, and having a stronger sense of acceptance for all, we really would be accomplishing a lot.

FUCK THE HATERS SMOKE DA GANJA




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