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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: mantirot]
    #19007275 - 10/21/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i think within a few years of decriminalizing everything weed will be more commonly used than alcohol.



I dunno. I'd like to see that because that would make for a much more peaceful and humble society, but the fact that alcohol is addictive, and also the fact that alcohol is such an effective social lubricant means that it will remain top dog at least until there is a collective change in consciousness.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19007880 - 10/21/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The netherlands have much more lax laws put in place.  They also seem to have far less problems with use and abuse.  Being a slave to an addiction helps no one by placing them in correctional facilities.  Education and rehabilitation should be encouraged and regulated for non-violent drug offenders.
I do not support the use of cocaine,meth, and heroin and see fit they be treated as I stated above. 
Substances that have far less potential for abuse like psychedelics and weed should be legal in my opinion.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19008105 - 10/21/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way




You are making the false assumption that drug abuse would increase if made legal, what evidence do you have to support this idea?


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: qman]
    #19008119 - 10/21/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Just enable open markets in certain areas for harder drugs, make it a gun/knife free zone that is well policed.
Competition will drive the prices down, but i'm not certain purity will change. That is still an end to the enforcement of the drug war though.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19011805 - 10/22/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way




wtf r you saying
the revenue in enforcing the drug war itself has zero benefits
it has never been able to slow down the drug flow into the country
it has only increased the number of americans who are considered felons if caught with drugs

harm is the only output for this war


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: abltsandwich]
    #19011817 - 10/22/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The only regulations I see fit are regarding taxation, purity, and manufacturing facility inspections for shit like health code violations.  If someone wants to manufacture a drug, they can do so for personal consumption but require permits to distribute it.  Maybe requiring special permits and certifications to manufacture certain substances but those permits should be easy enough to get if you can pass a standardized test or something.  And all those permits and certs should be federal not local so some jurisdictions against the whole thing can't just deny everyone.
Focus on education, harm reduction, and rehabilitation instead of enforcing draconian laws that's ultimately the government telling me what I can and can't put in my body.  Which is bullshit.




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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: sprinkles]
    #19011838 - 10/22/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sprinkles said:
really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a better place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to rehabiltation.  The costs would greatly outweigh any benefits that revenue from taxes would create.  Drug use affects just about every single family, just because they're not involved in criminal behavior doesn't make the dynamic any better. 

Quality of life would decline for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way




really?  if all drugs were legalized the world would be a worse place?  What kind of fantasy do you live in? 

drugs are a major health issue, you're absolutley right.  Disease control would still be a huge concern.  As far mental health goes, you have to be kidding if you think all that extra money would go to only to rehabiltation.  The benefits would greatly outweigh any costs that health care would create.  Drug and alcohol use affects just about every single family, because they're not involved in criminal behavior it means that theres less social stigma and legal problems and it makes the dynamic much better. 

Quality of life would increase for just about everyone.

I guess thats why its never going to happen.  But i wouldn't care either way


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011845 - 10/22/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are we talking about decriminalising, or legalising said substances?  Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal. Imagine heroin or opioids being available.. But I'm sure we are talking about decriminalizing yes? That would be good, just regulating the addicts medication so it's safe and all. And providing more programs where the medication is slowly reduced to wean the addicts off, if they can't comply to regulations or something similar


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky] * 2
    #19011883 - 10/22/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19011897 - 10/22/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.




its stupid as fuck because you would think this country would of learned from that experience

but yet we felt back to square one

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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011906 - 10/22/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
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Locky said:
Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.




its stupid as fuck because you would think this country would of learned from that experience

but yet we felt back to square one

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The sad part is we all remember it, we're all just to stupid to care, or add two and two


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19011909 - 10/22/13 01:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.





You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.

I know where you're comming from though, loading up a docco's about the moonshine era :wink: educate myself abit more on the subject


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky]
    #19011938 - 10/22/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
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Sleepwalker said:
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Locky said:
Legalizing would be stupid, we have enough people thinking alcohol is safe because it's legal.




Do you realize how much more danger was caused when alcohol was illegal?  And guess what, people still drank it.





You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.

I know where you're comming from though, loading up a docco's about the moonshine era :wink: educate myself abit more on the subject



People would use drugs at almost exactly the same percent they do now, just like in prohibition almost as many people used alcohol as when there was no prohibition


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Locky] * 1
    #19011955 - 10/22/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.





dude alcohol is the poses the most danger out of them all and its the only legal one

they are not illegal because of danger



this thread is making me
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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011971 - 10/22/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Locky said:
You still have the general population who are against drugs but only drink because it's legal, they would never seek out illegal drugs as they know the government keep them illegal because they are extremely dangerous. But those drugs being legal they would obviously be used a hell of a lot more then when they're illegal, causing new addicts, making a bigger problem.





dude alcohol is the poses the most danger out of them all and its the only legal one

they are not illegal because of danger



this thread is making me
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I know this. It would be a lot better if it was cannabis instead of the alcohol, I understand all this. I'm just speaking my mind.



There are drugs more dangerous then others, this I also know.


Imagine that though, alcohol is gone and cannabis is legal and available everywhere. Would be a whole better world :smile:


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011972 - 10/22/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anything that comes from a plant doesn't need to be regulated.

Ingredients? Need no regulation. Purer drugs for all.

Stores? That's fine. Keep drugs out of the supermarket.

What adults put into their own bodies with responsibility not regulated

A schedule 1 anything that isn't a weapon is more then likely just inherit racism and class warfare


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Konyap]
    #19011978 - 10/22/13 02:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Anything that comes from a plant doesn't need to be regulated.

Ingredients? Need no regulation. Purer drugs for all.




False, you don't want to get salmonella from your weed now, do you?


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #19011983 - 10/22/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
Anything that comes from a plant doesn't need to be regulated.

Ingredients? Need no regulation. Purer drugs for all.




False, you don't want to get salmonella from your weed now, do you?




anything you put in your body should be regulated by some extent


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #19011988 - 10/22/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think all drugs should be legal, to ages 18+ and sols in designated shops. And a certain percent of the taxes should be put toward treatment programs. No limits on quantity posession, and quality shouldn't be limited but upheld to the highest standards. The government should view addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one.

The money saved from law enforcement, and the cost of prisons would be insane. And to gain tax money from that as well as creating a huge job market.

Crime rates would plummet, less violence because of the lack of a drug related blackmarket. Less unemployment since the amount of felons would drop.

Honestly I see nothing but positive coming from it.


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Re: if the drug war ended [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19011994 - 10/22/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see health care cost going up at all with the legalization of cocaine and heroin:lol:


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